Gene:  If you believe God the Father called Jesus a God, then God the Father would  be contradicting his very own words… BESIDES ME, THERE IS “NO” GOD. 

1 Kings 11:33…  I will do this because they have forsaken me and worshiped Ashtoreth the goddess of the Sidonians, Chemosh the god of the Moabites, and Molek the god of the Ammonites, and have…[Read more]

Adam: For Sis Kathi….

Understanding Hebrews 1:10-12 (Matthew Janzen, Revised 2015)…

That was a very good read, Adam… thanks.

1.  I really liked the suggestion of just using parentheses around 10-12.

2.  I’m happy that Kathi now knows the quote came from the LXX – which didn’t use the tetragrammaton “YHWH”.  This means that even if she insis…[Read more]

LU:  I think that Thomas referring to Jesus as the God of himself and the Lord of himself agrees perfectly with what the Father calls the Son in Hebrews 1, YHVH who laid the foundation of the earth and the heavens are the works of the Son’s hands…  The Son with a Father and their Spirit is a package deal.

And just that fast, immediately back to…[Read more]

LU:  Interesting that Adam’s post does not mention the term “redemption” or “redeem” or “firstborn” yet to celebrate the Passover Moses writes this:

12you shall devote to the LORD every firstborn of a womb… every firstborn among your sons you shall redeem. 14And it shall be when your son asks you in time to come, saying, ‘What is this?’ then y…

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Mike: Okay Carmel, I just asked Jesus in his own name if he is God – or the holy servant of God.  Jesus told me to read the scriptures, where it’s abundantly clear that he can’t very well BE his and our God if he is the son, servant, prophet, spokesman, priest, messiah, holy one, angel, first creation, and sacrificial lamb OF his and our God.

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LU:  Notice the definite article where Thomas says “the Lord of me and the God of me” in the interlinear below. He is referring to Jesus, btw.

2 Cor 4:4… The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers…

Notice the definite article here.  He is referring to Satan btw.

Carmel: WHEN WE SAY:

GOD IS BIGGER THAN THE SON…
WHAT THE HELL ARE WE TALKING ABOUT?

SINCE WE DON’T KNOW WHAT GOD IS!

This is a tactic that has been used by Trinitarians for centuries.  They fully understand that the Bible doesn’t support their doctrine, and so they have no choice but to claim that God is a Trinity – but it’s beyond the under…[Read more]

Mike

WHAT THE FATHER IS, IN THE BIGINNING
THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON WAS ALSO

WHEN WILL YOU UNDERSTAND THIS VERY SIMPLE THING?

Berean:  Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person,

DO YOU KNOW SOMEONE WHO IS ACCORDING TO HEBREWS EXCEPT THE SON OF GOD?

I don’t.  Do you know someone who IS the very entity that he is the son OF?

LU:  Then Israel is not a collective noun because God refers to Israel with the singular pronouns of him and he and the singular noun firstborn son.

That is poetic language – like when people refer to a ship as a “she”.  Is it your claim that every time every single one of the authors of scripture refer to God as a “he/him”, they are all using t…[Read more]

Proclaimer:

Father

Praise be to the God (theos) and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ.

Jesus / Word

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.

Men / Judges

Jesus answered them, “Is it not w…

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Adam,  there is a difference between the Old Testament and the NEW.  The old in most cases deals with the carnal thing , the new with the Spiritual things of God. IMO

Hi brother Gene, thanks for your reply to my post. If you want to understand the true concepts on Hebrew Messiah you need to refer to the scriptures in Hebrew Bible only and not C…[Read more]

Nature or essence is not the identity or person himself just as you are not your flesh.

Proclaimer

“Nature or essence is not the identity or person himself ”

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… Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his PERSON (hupostasis), …..

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Adam……what I was trying to say is that there are two different ways people see things , on is from a Carmel or worldly ways , the other are from a Spiritual way,  the Carmel focuses on this world and how we physically do thing and see thing, the Spiritual sees thing differently.  The Jew’s messiah to them is only a carnal ruler that just deliver…[Read more]

Lu…….Jesus said the word he was telling us were “SPIRIT” ,  Jesus said God “IS” a SPIRIT  ,  that is his essence,  and GOD the father can by, that essence be in us “all”    “That God may be in “all” and through “all”.   God essence is not limited to just three things, it’s “IN” EVERYTHING THAT HAS LIFE IN IT.  

JESUS said that God the father was [Read more]

Eve is adam / man (mankind).

Eve is not Adam.

The Word was divine / theos.

The Word is not The God / The Theos.

Nature or essence is not the identity or person.

If divinity is the person of God, then yes the Word is God himself and so are all those who participate in that nature.

Once again. Confusion over nature vs identity.

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Proclaimer

See it is true. The Trinity / Binity treat God as a substance or essense.

But God is a person / identity. 

Me

Precisely, because God is a person, HE HAS A SUBSTANCE THAT IS OWN TO HIM …
AND THE SON IS THE PERFECT REFLECTION OF THE PERSON OF THE FATHER ACCORDING TO HEBREWS 1: 3

HI LU

Does God have essence or IS God essence?  Can you answer that?

Or maybe you think that God does not have essence. It would be impossible for the Son to be the exact representation of the Father’s essence if He did not have any essence?

Undebunked.

AMEN LU

HEBREWS 1: 3 AFFIRMS THIS.

God bless

The Bible also says that Satan is theos…

Mike

Yes but Stan does not have IN HIM THE ETERNAL POWER TO CREATE THE UNIVERSE, HE IS A DEPENDENT CREATURE ON GOD FOR HIS SURVIVAL.

IN THE BIGINNING, CHRIST HIM WAS GOD OF THE SAME SUBSTANCE OF GOD THE FATHER, AND IN HIMSELF WAS THE ETERNAL POWER THAT ALLOWS HIM TO CREATE AND SUSTAIN THE UNIVERSE .…[Read more]

Adam, your vision for God is stuck at stage 1 and I wonder if you lived back then if you would reject that stage. The plan has progressed much since then of course and you have been left behind my friend. You underestimate the work and will of God. He doesn’t do things in half measures. The eternal God goes above and beyond our expectations.

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