Hi Mike,

You; Your version confirms that Jesus is a possession of his God – 

JESUS Mike,  IS
both ONE SUBSTANCE WITH THE FATHER AND DISTINCT!
You: as are we all. 
WRONG Mike!
WE ARE ALL IN JESUS CHRIST!
NOT IN GOD THE FATHER

THE FACT THAT GOD ESTABLISHED

THE GOD AND FATHER OF BOTH SPIRITS AND FLESH BEINGS IN JESUS CHRIST
GODMAN! 
JESUS IS TH…[Read more]

Berean: Mike

I know from the letter to the Colossians that the Son of God IS BEFORE ALL THINGS …. THIS MEANS ETERNITY ….. AND THIS IS ENOUGH FOR ME.

The phrase “before all things” doesn’t mean “eternity”.  Not in Colossians, and not ever.

Hi Mike,

Rev 1:1… The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place.

Mike, Jesus Christ, above is GLORIFIED GODMAN and He possesses all God’s things as His! Read:

John17:10 And all my things (HUMAN’S) are thine,

and thine (GOD’S) are mine;

and I am glorified in them.   (BOTH GOD’S AND HUM…[Read more]

Berean:  2 Timothy 2:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD (the divine Son of God) WAS MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Let’s let those same 25 TRINITARIAN scholars enlighten us on your verse too…

NET ©  An…[Read more]

Carmel:  Proverbs 8:22 The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his ways,
before he made anything from the beginning.

Your version confirms that Jesus is a possession of his God – as are we all.  So I can live with it.  But if you want to get right on this verse, here’s a little education for you – from 25 TRINITARIAN scholars…

NET © The …[Read more]

Mike

I know from the letter to the Colossians that the Son of God IS BEFORE ALL THINGS …. THIS MEANS ETERNITY ….. AND THIS IS ENOUGH FOR ME. I BELIEVE.😐

Carmel: Mike, Can you see from the above scriptures what Jesus meant?

The Father and the Son never glorify themselves, 

But each other.

I don’t see the Father or the Son posting on this site on your behalf, do you?  And since they aren’t glorifying you, then you glorifying yourself as some “spirit-enlightened” person who has a better un…[Read more]

Gene:  Mike……you mistranslated the text,  it says this…..” whosoever is “born’” of God sins not,  but whosoever is “begotten” of God “keeps” himself,  and the evil one touches him not.

I didn’t translate anything.  I copied and pasted the English Standard Version.  But the point is that all of the words are the same exact Greek word, Gene.  We…[Read more]

Berean: Mike

Michah 5:2 Say

But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

Now go look up what the word you show as “everlasting” really means.  I’ll do it for you.  From the 2…[Read more]

Danny: Mike,

You said that Jesus was created.

You are wrong.
Jesus was not created but begotten.

A synonym of “beget” is “procreate”, Danny.  Understand?   By bringing a living being into existence (procreating, begetting, birthing, etc) you are creating a new life that didn’t previously exist.

So if Jesus is begotten, then Jesus is a new cr…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  Yes. In the sense that he has rule over me.

Agreed.

LU:  Danny and Berean,

The three of us are agreeing on both the Father and Son being deity and identified as YHVH, correct?

Berean:  Hi LU

YES!

Uh oh… two in one day?  Yikes.

Berean:  MY FAVORIT TEXTE FOR THE SON AS YHVH IS FROM PSALM 24

Psalm 24:1…Jehovah owns the earth and all it contains, the world and all who live in it.

I can see in…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

Acts 4:24… When the believers heard this, they lifted up their voices to God with one accord. “Sovereign Lord,” they said,
“You made the heaven and the earth and the sea and everything in them.
Mike, you: Likewise, we are to understand that God (but not Jesus) is excluded in the “everything” that was created by God.
Proverbs 8:22 The L…[Read more]

God the Father who has always existed IS FOR US HUMAN A MYSTERY. BY FAITH WE CAN ACCEPT WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING.
THAT THE SON OF GOD BORN IN THE DAYS OF ETERNITY BE WHAT THE FATHER IS WHEN IN SPIRITUALITY: WE CAN UNDERSTAND IT. BUT WHAT THE SON WAS IN THE BEGINNING WHAT THE FATHER WAS WHEN IN NATURE (hupostasis) ONE CANNOT UNDERSTAND IT, IT IS ALSO…[Read more]

Danny:  Hi LU,

You asked:

Danny and Berean,
The three of us are agreeing on both the Father and Son being deity and identified as YHVH, correct?

I agree.

Wait… did the Kathi Cult finally get a bonafide follower here – after over a decade of changing her doctrine when she was showed the scriptural errors in it?  Wow.

Hey Danny, Gods name is Y…[Read more]

Berean, watch how easily I use the scriptures themselves (or the LACK of scriptures) to address everything you say.

Berean: For you Mike, Christ is an angel, a god…

According to the scriptures themselves, what is an “angel”?  It is a spirit messenger of God.

Rev 1:1… The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

YOU: After all, even your “GODMAN” said, “If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing”, right?

John 17:1…. Father, the hour is come, glorify thy Son, that thy Son may glorify thee.

John17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth;

I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. 

5And now glorify thou me, O Father, with thyself,…[Read more]

Proclaimer: He was born not created.
If a living thing is born, isn’t it also a new creation that didn’t exist before it was born?  Can you think of an exception?  Now, let’s examine three scriptures…

Col 1:15… He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature.

Is it even remotely possible that this verse means exactly w…[Read more]

LU: I believe the following is correct:

The Son is theos

The Son is god

The Father and the Son are theos

The Father and the Son are god.

The Father is not the Son.

Two persons are theos.

Two persons are god.

There is one god.

Two persons act together as one god.

All scriptural except for the last utterly confusing bolded part.  Paul s…[Read more]

Danny: Jesus and His Father are both deity not just divine.

Agreed.  This is scriptural.  Both Jesus and his Father are gods.  One of them is the Most High God of gods, and the other is one of the gods that the first one is the God of.

Danny:  I believe this is what John 1:1 teaches.
“what God was, the Word was”

Agreed… to an extent.  The Most…[Read more]