• Profile picture of DesireTruth

    @Gene,

    You: What Jesus did was to “demonstrate” to us all, what it takes to have a right relationship with God the Father.

    Me: This still doesn’t answer the question, how does death create a right relationship with God? God never said to die for your sins to be in a “right relationship” with him, only to repent and turn from your them, AND to fo…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer, yes our vile bodies do need to be changed, and will be at the return of Jesus, but remember what else Paul said,  Php 3:14-15…..> “I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling “OF GOD”, “in” , the anointed Jesus. Let us therefore, as many as be perfect , be thus minded: and if in any thing you be otherwise minded, “GOD” sh…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of GeneBalthrop

    DT you said……>What then was the point of Jesus’ death? Why did Jesus say he had to die?

    What Jesus did was to “demonstrate” to us all, what it takes to have a right relationship with God the Father.

    The apostle Paul said the same thing about himself,  1 Co.2;4-5….>“AND my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man’s wisdom, but…[Read more]

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    DT…….If Jesus death paid off everyone’s sins. Then why are people still dying, and their bodies corrupting in the grave.

    Death remains in the body, but life in the spirit. His death was not for the purpose of saving our bodies, but our souls.

    The Bible states that in heaven, Christ “will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his g…[Read more]

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    The Camel and Needle Did Scholars Mistranslate Jesus’ Famous Saying? Mark 10:25 states: “It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is

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    Cyrus the Great was the founder of the Achaemenid Empire and the king of Persia from 559 to 530 BC. He is best known for his role in ending the Babylonian captivity and allowing the Jews to return to Jerusalem and rebuild the Temple. He is considered a hero in Jewish and persian history. His empire, at its height, was the largest empire the world…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of DesireTruth

    @Gene,

    What then was the point of Jesus’ death? Why did Jesus say he had to die?

  • Profile picture of GeneBalthrop

    DT…….If Jesus death paid off everyone’s sins. Then why are people still dying, and their bodies corrupting in the grave. Jesus died but his body never saw corruption, he was resurrected before it corrupted in the grave, why?   Because he never sinned and therefore  his body was never destroyed in the grave as our are.

    What killed Jesus was a b…[Read more]

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    @Gene,

    If the Jesus died for the “purpose of” and “because of” the sins of the world, but didn’t “pay off” any sin debt, what was the point of his death? I thought the Jesus was the “unblemished sacrificial lamb” that “atoned for the sins of the world”; this “sin sacrifice” didn’t pay anything off? At least the bull did.

    Also, explain how a p…[Read more]

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    Hi all

    THE FIGHT OF PRAYER

    At that time Jesus went to the mountain to pray, and he spent the whole night praying to God. (Luke 6:12)

    The Mount of Olives was the favorite place where the Son of God meditated. Often, after the crowd had left him to let him enjoy the rest of the night, he did not sleep, although exhausted by the occupations of the…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of GeneBalthrop

    DT…..Where did I say Jesus didn’t die for the “porpoise of”,  or “because of” the sins of the world?  What i said was,  Jesus didn’t die, “because of”,  or the “purpose of”  “PAYING OFF”, our  sin “debts” in our place,  we must all repent of our own sins.
    Jesus’ life was to “demonstrate” to the whole world how to have our sins forgiven, and h…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of DesireTruth

    @Danny,

    Did God ever speak of heaven being a place you go when you die?

    As I have been reading the Tanakh it would seem God is speaking to his creation of the now, how we are to live with each other, but more importantly, how we are to serve God. Of course there are prophecies that deal with future human events; but, what I haven’t found are p…[Read more]

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    @Gene,

    Concerning the usage of “messiah” or “anointed one” I agree it could be used interchangeably, but the KJV translates “mashiach” as “anointed one” everywhere else EXCEPT here in Daniel. The translators then add the definite article “the” before messiah and capitalize the “m” creating a proper noun that give the appearance to be pointi…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of DesireTruth

    @Gene,

    In the three examples you gave, each have a different way they are used and cannot be interchanged without changing the context of what is being said. Is the usage of the word “for” being used as a “purpose” or “because of”; the context of the sentence will tell you.

    In the example “Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scri…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of GeneBalthrop

    DT……seeming you don’t do what I ask you to , I do it for you.

    the meaning of the word “for”….. Cambridge dictionary ……>

    1…..a preposition…..( INTENDED FOR). showing purpose, as in there is a message for, or I’d better buy something for the baby.
    2…..a preposition….( PURPOSE) …..having the purpose of,  as in…..> There’s a sign they’re say…[Read more]

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    @DT

    I choose Heaven!

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    @Gene,

    You have to be kidding me with your last response, if I would have done what you asked me to do and looked up the word “for” I would have discovered it can have the meaning of “purpose of.” I’m beginning to wonder if your mental faculties are all there.

    Concerning a discussion on Daniel chapter 9, why would I go into any depth speaking…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of GeneBalthrop

    Berean…..Mark and Matt…… is not saying Jesus’ life gave anyone eternal life or paid for their sins off for them,  what it is saying  is ,Jesus ” blood i.e  (life) was given and  shed to show us “how”,  to get our sins forgiven,  his life was the “example” of the,  “new Covenant” of God the Father,   at work in mankind.

    The whole concept of Je…[Read more]

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    @ DT

    Exodus 24: 8 And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold👉 the blood of the covenant, 👈which the LORD hath made with you concerning all these words.

    Jeremiah 31]

    Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that👉 I will make a new covenant 👈with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
    Not according to the…[Read more]

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