Proclaimer:  Anyhow, if you can be wrong about me surrendering, then what else are you wrong about? That is a legit question. God is my witness.

Just to be clear, I said you were TRYING to surrender… but I won’t allow it.  But with God as your witness, let’s see if you start actually ANSWERING questions in a DIRECT and HONEST manner – instead o…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  I await your new no 1 question or new evidence for me to address.

Okay, here’s one I’ve never asked before…

The Bible says the sun was made on day 4.  (You say God cleared the atmosphere or whatever on day 4.  Either way…)
How long was each day in Genesis 1 AFTER the sun was made (or allowed to shine through)?

Proclaimer:  i believe I have answered all questions that I have read.

You’ve got to be kidding me!  😅🤣😂  I could fill a page with the questions you have refused to answer – even after being asked over and over!

Heck, I just asked you one today that you STILL haven’t addressed.  Ready?

Exodus 20:11… For in six days the LORD made the hea…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  AGES  Before → Now → For evermore

Now ✓

You obviously agree that we live in an age now

Future ✓

You have agreed already that there are ages to come

Past ☓

Now you only need to see the possibility of ages in the past.

Luke 1:69-71… He has raised up a horn of salvation for us in the house of His servant David, as He spoke throu…[Read more]

I saw this on another site.

The Word Was “Divine”
by: Paul, Webmaster

https://www.ntgreek.org/answers/answer-frame-john1_1.htm has the best explanation, defense, and support of the translation “The Word was Divine.” It is exactly the same explanation I received in my first-year Greek class.

The word “God” is being used as an adjective in the…[Read more]

Agreed.

And what do we call that nature?

Romans 1:20

For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

2 Peter 1:3-4

His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness throu…[Read more]

Proclaimer

Me

Identity of the One True God: God the Father of Jesus Christ

Identity of Jesus Christ: The Only Begotten Son of God.

Nature Of the only true God: GOD.
Nature of the Only Begotten Son of God in the biginning : GOD

After incarnation : God AND man

God bless

Proclaimer, post 900861 was also new info and new questions.  How about addressing it?

And here’s another brand new concept for you.  I’m going to try to explain it in one of your favorite analogies:  a guy creating a virtual world on a computer.

So you’re the guy who created the virtual world/matrix.  You created this world to operate on “so…[Read more]

BUT

THE WORD WAS GOD

THIS IS NOT THE SAME THING.

But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him;

and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

This is right. So the Word is not called The God.

So it is to be understood qualitatively.

Similar to Eve being man. But not the man.

Proclaimer

The fact is all instances of ‘theos’ and ‘logos’ have definite articles in John 1:1-3 except the last mention of ‘theos’.

Me

The Gospel According to Saint John
Chapter 1
1
en arch: in the biginning

 hn o logoV : WAS The Word

kai o logoV: AND The Word

 hn proV : WAS WITH/for

ton qeon: The God

 kai qeoV hn o logoV: The Wor…[Read more]

I await your new no1 question or evidence for me to address.

Regards.

Okay, I see you on your knees waving a white flag. I hear you pleading for me to just let you surrender because you think you’ll be able to save face. Request denied! I do not accept your surrender, nor will any quarter be given. I warned you that I would bring you to your knees, and that’s exactly what I’ve done. But I’m not finished until y…

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Interesting – since I brought up a dozen or more brand new points/questions that I’ve never mentioned before just this past weekend. After pointing out that they were brand new arguments, I even said:

Okay good. Let’s go through them one at a time.

From what I read of your posts, you were just regurgitation that which is already debunked or ser…[Read more]

The word “debate” presupposes that both parties are presenting evidence, insights, and rational conclusions that are questioned and scrutinized. Since you have not once presented any of those things, this has been a case of me, Berean and Adam trying to educate you about what the Bible actually teaches, and you putting your fingers in your ear…

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Did what already?  We all see the two scriptures you posted.  We all agree that there will be “coming ages”.  What we can’t see from those scriptures is that there existed any ages at all before the creation of our world… let alone other PHYSICAL ages.

Where are you seeing that in the verses you quoted?

to the only God our Savior be glory, maj…[Read more]

Berean: Hi Carmel

“THEN AT A CERTAIN STAGE GOT CORRUPTED AND DELUGED FOR THE FIRST-EVER TIME! Genesis 1:2”

Can you bring really biblical elements on this point, because what you say seems strange to me, as well as what you declare previously on the “light”
God said: Let there be light
There is nothing to add or subtract

God bless

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Carmel: For God’s  sake:

GENESIS 1:1 IT SAYSIN THE PLURAL: THE HEAVENS…..  WHAT ARE THESE HEAVENS?

Genesis 1:1 also says in the plural: GODS…..  WHO ARE THESE GODS?

Proclaimer: Yup. Did that already.

And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with Him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages He might display the surpassing riches of His grace, demonstrated by His kindness to us in Christ Jesus.

to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jes…

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Berean: Mike

THANK YOU FOR THIS GOOD AND BEAUTIFUL POST.

🙂👍🙏

Proclaimer: Thank you for debating me on this Mike.

The word “debate” presupposes that both parties are presenting evidence, insights, and rational conclusions that are questioned and scrutinized.  Since you have not once presented any of those things, this has been a case of me, Berean and Adam trying to educate you about what the Bible a…[Read more]