Adam:  Hi Mike, I appreciate your honesty here. This is what I am struggling to bring out the erroneous interpretations of the NT writers who had applied the Hebrew texts to suit their biased conceptions to Jesus by taking them out of their original contexts and in bits and parts.

The NT is not what Jesus was talking about when he said not one…[Read more]

Moving on…

Genesis 3… 5For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, knowing good and evil…

So the serpent told Eve that eating from the tree would make her like the gods, knowing good and…[Read more]

Gene:  GOD the Father, who is Spirit, makes all things , “BY”, His Seven Spirits, the Seven Spirits “OF GOD”,   are the US,  mentioned there.

Thanks for you contribution Gene.  To me, the most obvious and natural understanding is that God was talking to other heavenly beings, likely His spirit sons who were there praising him and shouting for joy…[Read more]

Thanks for the response, Kathi.  The speaker of the words is identified as “God”.  And this “God” is clearly talking to at least one other person who is not the speaker who was identified as “God”.

Then in the following verse…

Genesis 1:27…  So God created man in his own image; in the image of God he created them…

Here we learn that th…[Read more]

Mike…….GOD the Father, who is Spirit, makes all things , “BY”, His Seven Spirits, the Seven Spirits “OF GOD”,   are the US,  mentioned there.  God the Father is the “word” , who sends forth his Seven Spirits into all his creation doing his work.  Remember what Jesus said,  “who soever has ears to hear, LET HIM  HEAR, “WHAT THE SPIRIT SAYS”, [Read more]

And IF the writer of Hebrews meant to attribute the words of that psalm to Jesus, he was clearly mistaken – because the entire Bible, including direct statements by Jesus himself, attributes the creation of the heaven and earth to God – not to Jesus.

Hi Mike, I appreciate your honesty here. This is what I am struggling to bring out the err…[Read more]

Mike:  Says the guy who is so ignorant on the issue that he doesn’t even realize that Big Bang, Deep Time Uniformitarianism and Common Descent Evolution aren’t even a part of science at all.

Proclaimer:  Are you trying to impress me with big words?

I’m making the point that these fantasy stories from Scientism that you blindly believe witho…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  You did add in the indefinite article. Greek only uses the definite article or none at all.

Hebrew doesn’t use an indefinite article either.  But I wonder why the KJV added those indefinite articles into the Bible 10,000 times.  Is it wrong of the translators (of EVERY SINGLE English Bible) to add indefinite articles to the He…[Read more]

Mike:  But it is impossible for Jesus to have any of the titles I listed while also being God.

LU:  Correction, it is impossible for Jesus to have any of the titles you listed while also being God the Father. It is not impossible for Jesus to have any of the titles you listed while being the One who is united with the Father as His Son in the Y…

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Mike:  PROCLAIMER, WHAT AND WHERE IS “UNDER HEAVEN” IN YOUR MODEL?

Proclaimer:  On land / a planet / could be the sea if you were on a boat. The heaven or heavens would be the sky.

So you claim that “the heavens” that God created is the vast universe filled with billions of galaxies, and trillions of planets and stars… yet the land and water…[Read more]

Mike:  Jesus is never definitively called Yahweh in scripture.

LU:  The Branch is Jesus who is called Yahweh our righteousness. 

You refer to Jeremiah 23:6, but the city of Jerusalem is also called by the same exact title in Jeremiah 33:16.  So unless you are willing to claim that the city of Jerusalem is also a part of the “Yahweh Unity of Spi…[Read more]

Mike: If you show me a scripture that clearly and undeniably teaches us about a previous “perfect earth”, I’m willing to learn about it. 

 

Carmel: Read this scripture HEREUNDER again please and answer:

IS HE TALKING ABOUT THE SIX-DAY CREATION?

YES OR NO Please!

No, it is God talking about punishing Judah for abandoning Him……[Read more]

Says the guy who is so ignorant on the issue that he doesn’t even realize that Big Bang, Deep Time Uniformitarianism and Common Descent Evolution aren’t even a part of science at all.

Are you trying to impress me with big words?

And if God created the heavens and the earth and spreads out the heavens, then the Big Bang supports that. Because tha…[Read more]

And this is especially what I’d prefer not to see in the new thread.  First of all, it is the scriptures that say Jesus is a god.  I didn’t make it up out of thin air.

You did add in the indefinite article. Greek only uses the definite article or not.

PROCLAIMER, WHAT AND WHERE IS “UNDER HEAVEN” IN YOUR MODEL?

On land / a planet. The heaven or heavens would be the sky.

It could lead to confusion. Especially since you are capitalizing God.

You would be better off saying “Jesus is the only begotten Son who was with God the Father in the beginning and through the only begotten Son, all things were made.

That would communicate the central message regarding his place with God.

The real question is why do you not…[Read more]

Proclaimer,

Please answer this:

You said:

If you say ‘Jesus is God’. Then in Greek, you are saying that ‘Jesus is the God’ in Greek and that is wrong.

And what if you say Jesus is the only begotten God who was with God the Father in the beginning and through the only begotten God, all things were made.

Is that a correct statement according to you?

Mike,

You said:

Jesus is never definitively called Yahweh in scripture.

Wrong. The Branch is Jesus who is called Yahweh our righteousness. In Hebrews 1, the Father identifies the Son as Yahweh who laid the foundation of the earth…

 But it is impossible for Jesus to have any of the titles I listed while also being God.

Correction, it is impo…[Read more]

YHVH

So please remember your own rules

Yes, and this goes for you.

I love the Hot Seat. It is designed to get an answer and stop people just ignoring good arguments. I intend to hold you to that standard and I intend to keep that standard myself.