• Profile picture of Lightenup

    Mike,

    You twisted my words. I didn’t say that I want to get out of defending my beliefs, I just want to have a more focused discussion with you, the only person here that seems to want to get to the bottom of what I believe. If you think you can easily destroy my ‘doctrine’ then it would be more obvious where people can actually follow the…[Read more]

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    LU: Hi Mike,

    When I read the name Yahweh, I understand it as the God of gods and the Lord of lords to help see the unity of the Father and the Son who act as one. Since I believe that the Father accomplishes his vision through the Son, then they are both involved in the act albeit in different ways, and rightfully both be credited for the act…

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  • Profile picture of mikeboll64

    Kathi, there are less than 10 people active on this entire site right now – and only five or six of us participate in these kinds of discussions.  You have been touting (and changing/altering/tweaking) this doctrine – to these very people and many others – for a decade on HN.  You have been posting various snippets here and there in every thread i…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of Lightenup

    Mike,

    I’m not sure that I will be able to keep everyone’s comments straight on this setup. I prefer the one on one discussion. I would have rather that you waited for my permission to start this topic. Therefore, I want to discuss your questions for me as part of a one on one discussion. Start that and put this one on hold or better yet, ask…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of mikeboll64

    Berean:  King James Bible
    And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

    Hi Berean,

    This thread is to determine whether or not there are many gods in the Bible.  It is not yet ano…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of mikeboll64

    LU:  Regarding this quote of me, there was a type which I corrected…

    I fixed it in case you want to delete your post in the other thread.

  • Profile picture of GeneBalthrop

    Mike,  the word heaven simply meaning  is sky, and  here is another indication there are more then one heavens

    Gen 10v14……..“behold the heaven, and the heaven “OF” heavens “IS”, the  LORD’S  thy God’s, the earth also, with “ALL” that “THEREIN ” is.  THIS INCLUDES MANKIND.

    So,  two things, that prove you wrong

    1………there “IS” more th…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of mikeboll64

    Mike: Yep, Jesus… the child who will be born unto us and will be called a mighty god. (Is 9:6)  And also Satan, “the god of this world”.  (2 Cor 4:4)  And also the “many gods and many lords, both in heaven and on earth” that Paul mentioned in 1 Cor 8:5 – immediately before he said the part you quoted in 8:6.

    LU:  In your list of ‘gods’ which on…

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  • Profile picture of Lightenup

    This is what I meant to type to Adam:

    Regarding the Targums, do you realize that the Memra of God is the way the Aramaic say “Word of God”?

    Sorry, I should have proofread it before I posted it.

    LU

  • Profile picture of Berean

     

    King James Bible
    And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

     

  • Profile picture of Lightenup

    Hi Mike,

    Regarding this quote of me, there was a type which I corrected. This is what it should say:

    Regarding the Targums, do you realize that the Memra of God is the way the Aramaic say “Word of God”?

  • Profile picture of Lightenup

    Mike,

    Regarding this post:

    LU:  Jesus is the only begotten God, the Lord of lords…
    Is the Father also the Lord of lords?

    LU:   was sent from the Yahweh Unity to serve this Unity as He emptied Himself and became man, the promised Messiah.
    So the unity of Jesus and the Father sent Jesus as Jesus’ and the Father’s anointed one?  Jesus sent himse…

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  • Profile picture of mikeboll64

    From Lightenup…
    Hi Adam,

    Regarding the Targums, do you realize that the Memra of God is the was the Aramaic say “Word of God”?

  • Profile picture of mikeboll64

    LU: Hi Adam,

    Regarding the Targums, do you realize that the Memra of God is the was the Aramaic say “Word of God”?

    Kathi, I’ve also transferred this question to the new thread.  Adam, please address it over there, as it has to do with LU’s doctrine and not to whether or not there are many gods in the Bible.  Thanks. 🙂

  • Profile picture of mikeboll64

    LU’s Response…
     

    Hi Mike,

    When I read the name Yahweh, I understand it as the God of gods and the Lord of lords to help see the unity of the Father and the Son who act as one. Since I believe that the Father accomplishes his vision through the Son, then they are both involved in the act albeit in different ways, and rightfully both be credited…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of mikeboll64

    Personally, as “The Word of God”, I thought you’d say Jesus did the speaking.  But the bottom line is that you don’t know, right?  And is this the way throughout the entire Bible, Kathi?  Every time “Yahweh” or “God” is mentioned, you have to choose for yourself which of them said this, and which of them did that?  Of course it would have to be,…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of mikeboll64

    Mike:  Genesis 1:26… Then God said, “Let US make man in OUR image…

    Who is the “US” and the “OUR” in the above verse?

     

    LU: Gen 1:26

    Then the Father (the God no one has seen of John 1:18) said to the Son (the only begotten God of John 1:18), “Let Us make man in Our image (the only begotten God who is the image of the God no one has seen, Col…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of mikeboll64

    This thread is to flesh out and scrutinize Lightenup’s teaching that the Most High God is a “Yahweh Unity” comprised of Yahweh the Father (God of gods) and Yahweh the Son (Lord of lords).  I will begin the thread with a discussion I and LU were having in another thread.

  • Profile picture of mikeboll64

    Mike:  Personally, as “The Word of God”, I thought you’d say Jesus did the speaking.

    LU:  The “Let Us make man in our image” seems to me to be the Father talking to the Son. 

    Kathi, I’ve read your long post and agree with some things, while disagreeing with many others.  But let’s take this discussion to it’s own thread.  I will start a new thre…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of Lightenup

    Mike,

    You said:

    And also Satan, “the god of this world”.  (2 Cor 4:4)

    In your list of ‘gods’ which one had all authority on earth and in heaven when that verse was written? In other words, what singular ‘god’ with the article ‘the’ has all authority during the age spoken about?

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