Berean:  Mike, show me an apostle of Christ who emphasizes Jesus as a god… like you do.

I just did, Berean.  I showed you John, the Jews who said Jesus was blaspheming for making himself out to be a god, and Jesus himself, who not only clarified that he was indeed a god, but an even higher god than the disobedient ones who were punished by God in…[Read more]

Hi Mike

You

It is a CLEAR distinction between the Most High God whom no man has ever seen, and a different god who has come to make us better acquainted with the Most High God.

Me
I disagree that Jesus is
*a different god
Jesus is the Son of God and he is God by nature or essence, he is the reflection of the glory of God, the very imprint of…[Read more]

Clanging Cymbal:  The problem here we are relying the strong arguments put forth by Mike on “Many Gods of the Bible” which includes Jesus the first century Jew.

You have correctly identified that I am making strong arguments here – including my most recent that Jesus is indeed one of the many gods of the Bible – but I fail to see why you woul…[Read more]

Gene:  When Jesus said, “he called them  God’s unto whom,  the word of God came”, you need to understand that,  as him meanning that,  in a possessive sence, they were God’s people , to whom the word of God came.  get it brother? , Jesus was not ever saying the were actually God’s, thenselves,  but they belonged to him.

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Okay Berean and all, now let’s see if the Ps 82/John 10 connection makes sense with the proper translations and understandings.

The confusion starts with the erroneous and completely unscriptural idea that the Bible is a monotheistic book, and that the Israelite/Jewish culture itself held monotheistic beliefs.  I have already showed you…[Read more]

Gene: You seem to have a problem with the word, (was) ,  I gave you the dictionary meaning several time now , “was” simply means (it came to be ) as in,  existed that way. 

The word, (intellegent utterance)  do not come to be God,  it  was,  (existed) with God, and it was the (intellegent utterance) or expression of God,    God and his words are…

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Yahweh of Teman at Kuntillet Ajrud

The title “Yahweh of Teman” is found outside the Old Testament at Kuntillet Ajrud, and this adds historical weight to the idea that Yahweh with the South were associated early on. Kuntillet ʿAjrud (AKA Horvat Teman) is a small, one-period site situated between the southern Negev and the eastern Sinai peni…[Read more]

Thanks for that commentary, Berean!  Let’s scrutinize it together and see which parts hold water and which ones don’t.

a. Jesus answered them: The religious leaders surrounded Jesus (John 10:24) and now held rocks to stone Him to death (John 10:31). Jesus didn’t panic and didn’t run; He stopped them with the power of His word. He answered them…

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Adam…….Remember Jesus spoke in parables to them, so they could not understand what he was really saying,

When Jesus said, “he called them  God’s unto whom,  the word of God came”, you need to understand that,  as him meanning that,  in a possessive sence, they were God’s people , to whom the word of God came.  get it brother? , Jesus was not eve…

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Origin of worship of Yahweh…(continued)

The Mosaic theory:- In lack of sufficient evidence in support of the theory of J that Yahweh was the primitive deity of Israel, we turn to a consideration of the rival theory of E and P that he first became the god of Israel at the time of the exodus. This tradition has been accepted by Riehm, Dillmann,…[Read more]

Thanks for that commentary, Berean!  Let’s scrutinize it together and see which parts hold water and which ones don’t.

a. Jesus answered them: The religious leaders surrounded Jesus (John 10:24) and now held rocks to stone Him to death (John 10:31). Jesus didn’t panic and didn’t run; He stopped them with the power of His word. He answered them…

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Adam…….Remember Jesus spoke in parables to them, so they could not understand what he was really saying,

When Jesus said, “he called them  God’s unto whom,  the word of God came”, you need to understand that,  as him meanning that,  in a possessive sence, they were God’s people , to whom the word of God came.  get it brother? , Jesus was n…[Read more]

Mike…….simple answer, because the word of God “was and is” always God, Just as your words was and alway is you.  God’s words is how he expresses himself, just as your words do you. 

The word simply means (intellegent utterance)  and it “was,” in the beginning (existing) with God and was God, in the beginning. JUST AS YOUR WORDS (int…[Read more]

If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came: Jesus reasoned, “If God gave these unjust judges the title ‘gods’ because of their office, why do you consider it blasphemy that I call Myself the ‘Son of God’ in light of the testimony of Me and My works?”

Hi Berean, our Mike will not agree with interpretation of Jesus, the so called Mess…[Read more]

To all

(34-39) Jesus reasons from Psalm 82, and from His works.
Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods”’? If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am…[Read more]

Anyone else notice that Proclaimer has been absent for 3 weeks?  He’s posted a couple of links and memes, but he hasn’t engaged in any discussions here in a long time.  I believe it’s because he is stuck.  He can’t answer my questions from our private thread, but he also knows that I will continue to call him out for dishonorably breaking his ow…[Read more]

Okay, here’s where we are…

This is my previous Must Answer question from 3 weeks ago that still remains unanswered…
PLEASE PROVIDE YOUR SCRIPTURAL EVIDENCE THAT THE SUN, MOON AND STARS ALREADY EXISTED BEFORE GOD MADE THEM ON DAY FOUR… OR OPENLY ACNKOWLEDGE THAT NO SCRIPTURAL EVIDENCE FOR YOUR CLAIMS EXISTS.
Here’s my next oldest “Must Answer”…[Read more]

Okay, back to the actual REASON for this thread…

We’ve all agreed that “angels” are called gods in scripture.  We’ve all come to know that when Yahweh says there is no god besides Him, it is an emphatical statement and not meant to be taken literally – since He Himself calls others gods all throughout the scriptures.  Likewise, when Yahweh s…[Read more]

Danny: Hi Adam,

I’m afraid you will never find the truth based on the historians and
archaeologist’s arguments through critical analysis.

If you want the truth, then read the Bible!
The Bible clearly says that Yahweh is EL!

These liberal scholars that speak contrary to the Bible are wrong.
The Bible is our source for all truth even hist…

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