Lightenup replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 4 years, 4 months ago
Mike,
You asked:
What PROPHECY did it fulfill, Kathi?
https://www.wilmingtonfavs.com/king-babylon/lachish-letter-iv.html
According to this, both Jeremiah and Zechariah knew of the same prophecy. It is written in Zechariah previously mentioned and in something discovered and called a Lachish Letter which is where Jeremiah had written.
Lightenup replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 4 years, 4 months ago
Mike,
The word “god” is an idea, a position of authority that a thing or being/beings have. It is a position that can be assigned or a position that is inherently assumed. In the case of the Father and Son, it is inherently assumed since they are of eternal essence and before all things.
There are things or beings in positions of importance and…[Read more]
mikeboll64 replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 4 years, 4 months ago
LU: <span style=”color: #ff0000;”>Are you saying that the story about Judas receiving 30 pieces of silver in exchange for the whereabouts of Jesus is not a fulfillment of prophecy recorded in the OT?</span>
What PROPHECY did it fulfill, Kathi?
mikeboll64 replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 4 years, 4 months ago
LU: There are many connections that suggest that Yahweh is not just the father. Matt 27:9 and Zech 11:13 is just one of them.
I think there are about a dozen or so verses (out of 31,000 in the Bible) that are worded in such a way that you can manipulate them into teaching what you’d like them to teach.
I can do it with Moses if I want…
Deut…[Read more]
mikeboll64 replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 4 years, 4 months ago
LU: My paraphrase: Their end is destruction, the god position they have put their appetite for earthly things in is higher than anything else in their life and will guide them right into destruction.
I stand on my statement.
And what is a “god position”? Is that a high position? A low one? What is it based on? And how can you say the word…[Read more]
mikeboll64 replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 4 years, 4 months ago
Mike: Is your Yahweh Unity ONE God (ie: one BEING) made up of multiple persons? Or TWO Gods (ie: two BEINGS)?
LU: Neither.
Okay, I’ll run with the last definition you gave for it then…
LU: Yahweh is one God comprised of two persons.
Got it. Your doctrine is basically the Trinity Doctrine, but without the Holy Spirit being a person. Know…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 4 years, 4 months ago
Mike,
You asked:
“If the combo of Heb 1:5 and Sam 7:14 doesn’t equate the persons of Jesus and Solomon, why must the combo of Matt 27:9 and Zech 11:13 equate the persons of Jesus and Yahweh?”
That’s like asking if apples are red, why must cherries be?
There are many connections that suggest that Yahweh is not just the father. Matt 27:9 and Zech…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 4 years, 4 months ago
Mike,
Btw, I would guess that people who have given the position of god to food and material things don’t really think they need saving.
Lightenup replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 4 years, 4 months ago
Mike
Are you saying that the story about Judas receiving 30 pieces of silver in exchange for the whereabouts of Jesus is not a fulfillment of prophecy recorded in the OT?
Lightenup replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 4 years, 4 months ago
Mike,
You said:
But let’s try it with your definition and see if it works…
Philippians 3:19… Their end is destruction, their god “idea/position” is the belly, they exult in their shame, and they think about earthly things.
My paraphrase: Their end is destruction, the god position they have put their appetite for earthly things in is higher than…[Read more]
carmel replied to the topic Conspiracy theories, myths, or truth? in the forum Truth or Tradition 4 years, 4 months ago
Hi Mike,
You: Jesus didn’t go to heaven during the three days his body was in the tomb.
Me. AS USUAL YOU ARE RELYING ON YOUR CORRUPTED WISDOM OF THE WORLD. WITH EVERY RESPECT! YOU ARE AGAIN PUTTING GOD IN THE SAME BASKET OF HUMANS!
WHO SAID SO?
WHAT YOU JUST SAID IS TRIVIAL!
JESUS REMAINED IN HEAVEN DESPITE HE CAME ON EARTH,
HE IS ETER…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 4 years, 4 months ago
Mike,
You asked:
is your Yahweh Unity ONE God (ie: one BEING) made up of multiple persons? Or TWO Gods (ie: two BEINGS)?
Neither.
mikeboll64 replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 4 years, 4 months ago
LU: It seems to me that what is said in Heb 1:5 and 2 Sam 7:14 is demonstrating that both are installed as ‘kings’ not both as Solomon or both as Jesus.
It says nothing about “king”, Kathi. It has to do with “I will be his Father, and he will be my son”. Both of them had God as their Father, and both of them were sons to God. Would it be rati…[Read more]
mikeboll64 replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 4 years, 4 months ago
LU: Since I have proven your definition of god to be inaccurate, the rest of your post that is based on the inaccurate definition needs to be rewritten in order for it to be addressed.
Guess again. Read my post above.
mikeboll64 replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 4 years, 4 months ago
Mike: First of all, the word “god” in the Bible ALWAYS refers to a BEING who is thought to have powers over nature and the affairs of men… Show me a scriptural example where this is not the case.
LU: Philippians 3:19 Their end is destruction, their god is the belly, they exult in their shame, and they think about earthly things.
That prove…
Lightenup replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 4 years, 4 months ago
Mike,
Did you see that I never tied the prophecy of the 30 pieces of silver to the prophet Zechariah but to the passage in Zechariah? You corrected me for something I did not do.
Furthermore, would you please restate the point or copy and paste it so I know what specifically you want me to address? Many things have been said. Maybe we should do…[Read more]
mikeboll64 replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 4 years, 4 months ago
LU: Do you disagree that the prophecy which Matthew is saying was fulfilled through Jesus being valued as 30 pieces of silver, is found in Zechariah?
I’m pointing out that Matthew said Jeremiah, not Zechariah, so we have no way to know. I’m also saying that the passage in Zechariah is not a prophecy at all, and so could not be fulfilled by a…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 4 years, 4 months ago
Mike and Danny,
Regarding this:
“If the combo of Heb 1:5 and Sam 7:14 doesn’t equate the persons of Jesus and Solomon, why must the combo of Matt 27:9 and Zech 11:13 equate the persons of Jesus and Yahweh?”
It seems to me that what is said in Heb 1:5 and 2 Sam 7:14 is demonstrating that both are installed as ‘kings’ not both as Solomon or both…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 4 years, 4 months ago
Mike,
You said:
Accepting for argument’s sake that a “god” is a BEING with powers over nature and man (the actual dictionary and scriptural definition), is your Yahweh Unity ONE God (ie: one BEING) made up of multiple persons? Or TWO Gods (ie: two BEINGS)?
Since I have proven your definition of god to be inaccurate, the rest of your post that i…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Yahweh Unity in the forum Truth or Tradition 4 years, 4 months ago
Hi Danny,
You said:
Yahweh is the Father of Jesus Christ. (Psalm 2:2; Acts 4:26)
Jesus Christ therefore CANNOT be Yahweh.My answer:
Yahweh is the God of gods and the Lord of lords. (Deut 10:17) Jesus is the Lord of lords and for us there is one Lord who is not the Father but is the Son, therefore, Jesus is Yahweh the Lord of lords.
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