@DesireTruth

You never know when your own critical thought is going to bite you in the backside, do ya?

You said:

“When are people going to verify what they have been told is truth and stop smashing the “I Believe Button”?”

It seems that what appears to be in present tense, or past tense, can have special nuances. See here:

Isaiah 9:6 is a fas…[Read more]

@Lightenup,

Not speaking of “messianic” Jews – that’s “christianity” with Jewish customs thrown in; I’m speaking of Orthodox Judaism.

Yeshua (Jesus) as the divine Messiah and Son of God

The Jesus can’t be the true Messiah as he wasn’t born of the seed of David and Solomon (he did have a biological daddy), he was conceived of the spirit. Do you…[Read more]

@DesireTruth

Messianic Jews generally recognize YHWH (the Tetragrammaton) as the name of the God of Israel, whom they worship as the one true God. They affirm His unity while also embracing the divinity of Yeshua (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit within a framework that parallels the Christian understanding of the Godhead.

Here’s how this plays out i…

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@DesireTruth

Messianic Jews generally recognize YHWH (the Tetragrammaton) as the name of the God of Israel, whom they worship as the one true God. They affirm His unity while also embracing the divinity of Yeshua (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit within a framework that parallels the Christian understanding of the Godhead.

Here’s how this plays out i…[Read more]

@Lightenup,

Memra means “word,” in the sense of “the creative or directive word or speech of God manifesting His power in the world of matter or mind”; a term used in the Targum as a substitute for “Lord” when an anthropomorphic expression is to be avoided.” Basically it is a substitution for YHWH and its derivatives.

Outside of the Targums, whe…[Read more]

@Berean

Justin Martyr said:

 And I replied, “Not two Gods, but one God in two persons.

I would have said “Not two separate Gods, but two divine eternal persons in unity. In some contexts, they are separately represented by the name “YHWH” and in other contexts they are together represented by the name “YHWH.”

My concern is bigger than who is ca…[Read more]

@DesireTruth

Maybe this can help, the translation of the Hebrew into Aramaic before Jesus incarnation shows the substituting of the name YHWH or the pronoun for YHWH, or the word “God”, with “Memra”.

Key Substitutions of Memra for YHWH in Targum Onkelos
Genesis 28:21

Hebrew: “YHWH shall be my God.”
Targum Onkelos: “The Memra of YHWH shall…

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@Lightenup,

Once again we aren’t on the same page; you aren’t quoting from the Targum (click here for your Targums – Onkelos and Jonathan are the most used), you’re quoting Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho. It’s no wonder there’s mass amounts of confusion; you aren’t quoting scripture; you’re quoting the musings of man.

If this is what your…[Read more]

@ LU

You

5. And I replied, “Not two Gods, but one God in two persons.

Me

The truth is that there are two “divine persons,” not “one God in two persons.” It’s not the same thing.
The only true God is the Father (1 Corinthians 8:6).

Jesus is God in infinity(essence )but not in PERSONALITY.

God bless

🙏

@DesireTruth

Targum is what I meant. Read this to see that the Targum’s use of “memra” was the Son of God according to Justin Martyr.

Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho, Chapter 61
(Roberts-Donaldson Translation – Full Text with Memra Highlighted)

Below is the complete text of Chapter 61 from Justin Martyr’s Dialogue with Trypho (c. 150–160 C…

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Reposted because it has seemed to have been overlooked.

@Proclaimer

You Wrote:

Yes, the proper name of God and Lord in Deut 10:17 is YHWH.
You wrote:

Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Let’s see several other things in Hebrews 1 alone that God identified Jesus a…[Read more]

@Lightenup,

At least you now know that the belief of two powers in Heaven, held by enough people as a legitimate interpretive framework drawn from biblical texts as early as 560 BCE, is not a modern interpretation.

Have you heard of the Targums?

Did Moses, Joshua, the Judges, or the prophets teach G-d as a “bi-unity” or more importantly, did G-d…[Read more]

The trinity explained at last. LOL
The trinity teaches God sent himself to go to earth to save mankind.

Then he agreed with himself and volunteered himself to himself to offer himself.

Then God Impregnated a woman as himself with himself.

God Prayed to himself and glorified himself repeatedly.

God strengthened himself and prayed to…[Read more]

When you understand that YHWH is a name for the fullness of God as well as the name of each presence of God, i.e. Father, Son and Holy Spirit, many things in the Bible become easier to understand. Give it a try, ask the Holy Spirit to illuminate this and open your heart and mind.

When God is understood as more than one person, that is, two…[Read more]

Proclaimer, verse 16 tells us that God made the two great lights in the context of day four. Throughout out Genesis 1 “God made” is repeated over and over.

Read it properly.

“Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to distinguish between the day and the night, and let them be signs to mark the seasons and days and years.”

The subject…[Read more]

There have been many of God’s Sabbath rests in God’s Feasts alone. Obviously, we are not in the 7th day Sabbath rest.

You are entitled to believe that God rested for a 24 hour period after creating a universe in 6 x 24 hour days and even before the sun was supposedly created on Day 4.

But I personally think any rational thinking person is not goi…[Read more]

@DesireTruth

At least you can’t say that the belief of two powers in Heaven held by enough people as a legitimate interpretive framework drawn from biblical texts as early as 560 BCE is a modern interpretation.

Have you heard of the Targums?

LU

@Lightenup,

I asked for scriptural proof and NOT writings of a scholar christianizing the Jewish scripture with his thoughts.

Daniel 7:9–14: Describes the “Ancient of Days” (God) on a fiery throne, followed by “one like a son of man” who approaches on clouds, receives everlasting dominion, and is served by all peoples. Early Jewish interpret…

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@DesireTruth

Regarding the “two powers in Heaven” it is easier for me to just copy and paste the information from GROK. It saves me quite a lot of time trying to explain. Here it is word for word:

Overview of “Two Powers in Heaven” in Early Judaism
The concept of “Two Powers in Heaven” (often rendered from the rabbinic Hebrew shnei rashuyot…[Read more]