@ desire Truth

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God
Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life:
But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul…[Read more]

Berean……..I think Desire Truth, is not trying to dismiss Jesus as a messiah, but simply trying to get you to see him in a right way.  The way the Old Testament Jew’s viewed him.  They saw Jesus as a descendent of king David, not as a “preexisting” being  who was “morphed” into a human being from some kind of past life as you view him.

I also see…[Read more]

Hi to all

Here is the Daily Devotional

DOES EZEKIEL TEACH THAT WE SHOULD BAPTIZE BY SPRINKLING?

There is a popular belief that these verses prefigure the introduction of sprinkling for baptism. But do references to sprinkling in the Old Testament have a connection with the ordinance of baptism in the New Testament? A few facts reveal that it…[Read more]

@Berean,

For brevity sake let me help you along; is it safe to say, with Jesus you go to heaven and without Jesus you go to hell?

Do you think you are doing BETTER than modern Christianity by dismissing the real MESSIAH?

Salvation and how you get it isn’t the question, the question is “what is modern christianity truly based on?”

Don’t make this complicated, think basic like a child – “with this, you receive this; without this, you receive this.”

Explain your means of salvation to you, you haven’t said anything yet.

@Berean,

You’re trying to make it “spiritual” and are missing it. Go basic, like you’re telling a child; without this, you receive this.

@ desire Truth

The commandments of God and the faith of Jesus work together.
Without Jesus, we can’t do anything…

I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.

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Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he takesth away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

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Now ye are clean through…[Read more]

@Berean,

If you don’t keep the commands or the faith, then what?

@desire Truth

For me, true Christianity is summarized (among others) in Revelation 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints:👉 here are they that keep the commandments of ELOHIYM, and the faith of YAHSHUA.👈

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@Berean,

Let me rephrase the question, what is modern “christianity” truly based on?

@ Berean,

Those aren’t proofs, they’re doctrines and I have thrown out doctrine in favor of scriptural truth. If doctrine cannot be confirmed by scripture, it’s man made in my eyes. Now I asked to find a preexistent Jesus in the old testament, not the new…begin!

Riddle me this, what is “christianity” truly based on? If you say “love”, before…[Read more]

@ desire Truth

The proofs have already been given a long time ago.

Do a search on the forum….
If you can’t find it, ask God.

Why won’t you find when many have found….?

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@ Berean,

Now find the preexisting Jesus in the old testament…GO!

Gene

You

“Trying to force the text to say Jesus was “alive before Abraham” is simply not true.  Jesus never said he preexisted his birth on this earth,  except in prophesy,  he was mention often.”

Me

Scriptures

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Col.1
And he(Jesus) is👉 before all things,👈 
and 
👉 by him 👈 
👉 all things consist.<…[Read more]

Carmel……Jesus saying we must eat his flesh and drink his blood, is a “METAPHOR”  for the words simply meaning we must take his life to ourselves, and become exactly like him.

when you eat of drink something you are taking it into yourself and it becomes part of “your” very existence.   Fact is if you don’t do that you have “no life in you”.
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Proclaimer…….Jesus was simply telling he was more “important” them Abraham to them,  the Jews trusted in their relationship to Abraham as the sign that made them important to God, they used that all the time even to JOHN the Baptist  who told them God could raise up stone to Abraham if he wanted to.  The Jews even use this today, they think their…[Read more]