Where is Jesus in the Old Testament?

Many argue that Jesus is not mentioned in the Old Testament. Of course many religious Jews believe this to be the case because they do not believe he is the prophecied messiah. But there are also others who are not religious Jews who believe the Old Testament scriptures never mention or allude to Jesus being the messiah. Is this correct? Did the New Testament writers get a little too creative when they claim that Jesus fulfilled prophecies in the scriptures? Let’s take a look.

There is no argument that the New Testament contains gospels, letters, and teachings centred around the theme that Jesus is the Messiah. And we know that the Old Testament talks about the Messiah. But is there enough evidence to link this messiah to Jesus. Is there proof that he fulfilled the prophecies of the coming messiah as written in the Old Testament?

Yes indeed. There are Old Testament scriptures and prophecies that only Jesus of Nazareth has fulfilled. While his name is not mentioned for obvious reasons, Jesus Christ is certainly the only person in history to fulfil the prophecies and scriptures that we will look at.

Isaiah 51

This verse of the suffering messiah clearly speaks of Jesus. If you asked anybody who this verse is talking about, there is no doubt that the average person on the street would say it was Jesus. Even if you asked the average Jew this question, they too would say it is Jesus (Yeshua). Below is a video that proves this statement.

Next, we take a closer look at this chapter. While it seems to clearly point to Jesus Christ, some argue that it is talking about Israel. This is the go to interpretation for those who deny Jesus. Let’s imagine this is true and draw some conclusions from this interpretation to see if it makes any kind of sense. Listed below are the points this chapter makes that do not fit at all with Israel. The list comprises of 4 sentences with the word ‘Israel’ added in to see if it makes any sense. Following on from that, are the actual words of Isaiah 51.

  1. Israel has no beauty or majesty to attract us to him;
  2. Israel took up our pain,  bore our suffering, pierced for our transgressions, and by Israel’s wounds we are healed;
  3. Israel was assigned a grave with the wicked,  and with the rich in his death, though Israel had done no violence;
  4. Israel poured out his life as an offering for sin and will justify many,  and bear their iniquities.

1. Who has believed our message
    and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
    and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
    nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
    a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
    he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.
4 Surely he took up our pain
    and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
    stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
    he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
    and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
    each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
    the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
    yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
    and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
    so he did not open his mouth.
8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away.
    Yet who of his generation protested?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
    for the transgression of my people he was punished.
9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
    and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
    nor was any deceit in his mouth.
10 Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
    and though the Lord makes his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
    and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
11 After he has suffered,
    he will see the light of life and be satisfied;
by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many,
    and he will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,
    and he will divide the spoils with the strong,
because he poured out his life unto death,
    and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
    and made intercession for the transgressors.

If you are fair and unbiased, it seems that Isaiah 51 is talking about Jesus. Further, Israel doesn’t seem to fit in this verse. While somethings could fit, points like suffering and dying for the sins of humanity doesn’t fit with Israel in the slightest.


Psalm 22

Just before Jesus died on the cross for humanities sins, he quoted Psalm 22:1. It is important to know that it was a practice to quote a scripture and the hearers recite the rest of the scripture. It was a good way to remember the scriptures. Jesus quoted the first verse in that Psalm so that the hearers might understand what was happening before their eyes. See Matthew 27:46:

About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?”
(which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”).

Now look at Psalm 22:

My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
Why are you so far from saving me,
so far from my cries of anguish?
2 My God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer,
by night, but I find no rest.
3 Yet you are enthroned as the Holy One;
you are the one Israel praises.
4 In you our ancestors put their trust;
they trusted and you delivered them.
5 To you they cried out and were saved;
in you they trusted and were not put to shame.
6 But I am a worm and not a man,
scorned by everyone, despised by the people.
7 All who see me mock me;
they hurl insults, shaking their heads.
8 “He trusts in the Lord,” they say,
    “let the Lord rescue him.
Let him deliver him,
    since he delights in him.”
9 Yet you brought me out of the womb;
you made me trust in you, even at my mother’s breast.
10 From birth I was cast on you;
from my mother’s womb you have been my God.
11 Do not be far from me,
for trouble is near
and there is no one to help.
12 Many bulls surround me;
strong bulls of Bashan encircle me.
13 Roaring lions that tear their prey
open their mouths wide against me.
14 I am poured out like water,
    and all my bones are out of joint.
My heart has turned to wax;
it has melted within me.
15 My mouth is dried up like a potsherd,
and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth;
you lay me in the dust of death.
16 Dogs surround me,
    a pack of villains encircles me;
    they pierce my hands and my feet.
17 All my bones are on display;
people stare and gloat over me.
18 They divide my clothes among them
    and cast lots for my garment.

If you look at the above scripture and particularly the verses that are bolded, you will see that they are a very apt description for the death of Jesus. Let’s read what John wrote regarding the time just after the death of Jesus. It spells out some of the prophecies that were fulfilled.

John 19

31 Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a special Sabbath. Because the Jewish leaders did not want the bodies left on the crosses during the Sabbath, they asked Pilate to have the legs broken and the bodies taken down.
32 The soldiers therefore came and broke the legs of the first man who had been crucified with Jesus, and then those of the other.
33 But when they came to Jesus and found that he was already dead, they did not break his legs.
34 Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus’ side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water.
35 The man who saw it has given testimony, and his testimony is true. He knows that he tells the truth, and he testifies so that you also may believe.
36 These things happened so that the scripture would be fulfilled: “Not one of his bones will be broken,”
37 and, as another scripture says, “They will look on the one they have pierced.”

The New Testament writers certainly believed that Jesus fulfilled Old Testament scripture. If you do not believe this to be the case, then ask yourself who in history has fulfilled these. If you are rational about it, you would at least have to admit that Jesus was the lead contender. In fact the only contender to date.


Daniel 3

In the Book of Daniel, it appears that the Son of God makes an appearance with three men who have been cast alive into a furnace. A fourth person appears who King Nebuchadnezzar says “the fourth looks like a son of the gods.” In other words, if the gods had a son, then this was him. Of course, there is but one Almighty God, and yes he does have a son. It is possible that this fourth person is an angel, but throughout the Old Testament an appearance of the Angel of the LORD is frequent. Many say that this is Jesus Christ before he came in the flesh, but others say it cannot be him as the Son of God was never an angel. This view does have a lot of merit though. Let’s address it by first reading Daniel 3:15-25.

15 Now when you hear the sound of the horn, flute, zither, lyre, harp, pipe and all kinds of music, if you are ready to fall down and worship the image I made, very good. But if you do not worship it, you will be thrown immediately into a blazing furnace. Then what god will be able to rescue you from my hand?” 16 Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego replied to him, “King Nebuchadnezzar, we do not need to defend ourselves before you in this matter. 17 If we are thrown into the blazing furnace, the God we serve is able to deliver us from it, and he will deliver us[c] from Your Majesty’s hand. 18 But even if he does not, we want you to know, Your Majesty, that we will not serve your gods or worship the image of gold you have set up.” 19 Then Nebuchadnezzar was furious with Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, and his attitude toward them changed. He ordered the furnace heated seven times hotter than usual 20 and commanded some of the strongest soldiers in his army to tie up Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego and throw them into the blazing furnace. 21 So these men, wearing their robes, trousers, turbans and other clothes, were bound and thrown into the blazing furnace. 22 The king’s command was so urgent and the furnace so hot that the flames of the fire killed the soldiers who took up Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, 23 and these three men, firmly tied, fell into the blazing furnace. 24 Then King Nebuchadnezzar leaped to his feet in amazement and asked his advisers, “Weren’t there three men that we tied up and threw into the fire?” They replied, “Certainly, Your Majesty.” 25 He said, “Look! I see four men walking around in the fire, unbound and unharmed, and the fourth looks like a son of the gods.”

The word Angel is found throughout the Old Testament. It usually refers to heavenly creature who delivers a message from God to humans. However, it can also refer to humans as they can be messengers too. Thus, angel or messenger can be applied to many kinds of being if they are a messenger of God. So this answers the concern that Jesus is not an angel. He actually is an angel or messenger, but not the usual messenger which are usually heavenly cherubs etc.

But there is a also a specific angel called: ‘The Angel of the LORD’ who appears numerous times in the Old Testament, but never in the New Testament. One reason for this could be that this messenger is none other than Jesus Christ before coming in the flesh and who would deny that Jesus is the main Messenger of God?

If this is him, then you would expect no appearances of this messenger during the time Jesus was alive on Earth and this is the case. It is also interesting to note that persons who saw this messenger as recorded in the Old Testament often said that they have seen God even though God himself is invisible. How do we make sense of this? Well in Colossians 1:15-16 we read:

The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him.

Colossians certainly fits with Jesus being the Angel of the LORD in the sense that there is no double up of them appearing at the same time and the fact that Jesus Christ is the exact image of the invisible God in bodily form whiches matches the description of seeing God. Let’s read more about the Angel of the LORD to see if this could be the identity of Jesus before he was born into this world.

To be continued.

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  • #311838
    mikeboll64
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    Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 05 2012,22:14)
    Mike,

    That is not a literal translation as soulish body is the one that is buried.


    I have never heard of any such thing as a “soulish body”, Kerwin. Could you explain what it is you're talking about?

    #311839
    Proclaimer
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    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 07 2012,05:41)
    Mike………The Natural body is dealing with the way a Person “THINKS”


    Oh right, that is why it says 'body'.

    #311841
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    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 03 2012,06:41)
    And please don't tell me about speculations, after all all Trinitarians and Preexistences are Speculators at best . IMO


    An opinion is speculation.

    You ended your sentence in IMO.

    Therefore it reads like this:

    And please don't tell me about speculations, after all all Trinitarians and Preexistences are Speculators at best . I am speculating.

    #311844
    mikeboll64
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    :)

    #311845
    terraricca
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    :)

    #311878
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 07 2012,04:44)

    Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 05 2012,22:14)
    Mike,

    That is not a literal translation as soulish body is the one that is buried.


    I have never heard of any such thing as a “soulish body”, Kerwin.  Could you explain what it is you're talking about?


    Mike,

    Just something I learned when looking at the ancient Greek behind the English translations.

    Helps Wordstudies:

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    5591 psyxikós (an adjective, derived from 5590 /psyxḗ, “soul, natural identity”) – properly, soulish, i.e. what is natural, as it relates to physical (tangible) life alone (i.e. apart from God's inworking of faith).

    It appears certain experts believe soulish is an idiom that means natural.  It is only used in 1  Corinthians 44 & 46.

    I suspicion it is in reference to the soul of the body being in the blood.  

    Deuteronomy 12:23,  Leviticus 17:11, and maybe others though translators seem to prefer translating it to life.

    #311894
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 08 2012,02:29)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 07 2012,04:44)

    Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 05 2012,22:14)
    Mike,

    That is not a literal translation as soulish body is the one that is buried.


    I have never heard of any such thing as a “soulish body”, Kerwin.  Could you explain what it is you're talking about?


    Mike,

    Just something I learned when looking at the ancient Greek behind the English translations.

    Helps Wordstudies:

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    5591 psyxikós (an adjective, derived from 5590 /psyxḗ, “soul, natural identity”) – properly, soulish, i.e. what is natural, as it relates to physical (tangible) life alone (i.e. apart from God's inworking of faith).

    It appears certain experts believe soulish is an idiom that means natural.  It is only used in 1  Corinthians 44 & 46.

    I suspicion it is in reference to the soul of the body being in the blood.  

    Deuteronomy 12:23,  Leviticus 17:11, and maybe others though translators seem to prefer translating it to life.


    K

    what have you learn ???

    #311907
    GeneBalthrop
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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 07 2012,09:41)

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 06 2012,09:41)
    Paul was not dealing with a “TYPE” of BODY, except to the way it thinks, not a type of body, not being made up of Physical matter as you assume. But a type of MIND that is in that Physical BODY>


    1 Corinthians 15:35
    But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?

    Gene, the above is the question Paul was answering, so he certainly WAS explaining different types of BODIES.


    Mike……….Have you every looked up what a BODY “IS”. A “SPIRITUAL “, BODY is still a “BODY”. Paul did not say a SPIRIT BODY as you assume he meant. Every example Paul gave showed all were physical BODY involved, even though it was Not the exact “SAME” Body that was Planted or Buried. Non the less it was a “physical” Body that came up in all examples he gave.

    Paul was not saying we would not have Physical Bodies, he was saying those “PHYSICAL BODIES” would be “Spiritually” activated. Jesus was resurected with a BODY and said a spirit does  “not” have flesh and bone as He had Please show ONE scripture that says there are “SPIRIT” resurrections or regenerations. There is none Right?

    Rom 8: 23….> And not only they but ourselves also, which have the first-fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, to wit, the redemption of “OUR” Bodies. [/B Now Mike what is the “OUR BODIES” referring to.  

    The word “OUR”, Bodies is relating to our PRESENT BODIES.  A different Body would not need to be “REDEEMED  Mike now would it?

    It amazes me how you people do not even know what the word “SPIRITUAL” Means .  Here is another example of Spiritual  

    Rom 8:6……. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be “spiritually” minded is life and peace.

    Mike our bodies can be Carnally “minded” or Spiritually “minded” even now, They can “now” exist in any of these states.  The Body it self is not the question it is how it exists either Spiritual or Carnal Minded.  Spiritual is not referencing  what a body is composed or made of, but how it operates or thinks.  IMO

    peace and love to you and yours…………………………………..gene

    #311924
    mikeboll64
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    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 07 2012,10:11)
    It amazes me how you people do not even know what the word “SPIRITUAL” Means . Here is another example of Spiritual

    Rom 8:6…….For to be carnally minded is death; but to be “spiritually” minded is life and peace.


    Yes Gene,

    There are many scriptural meanings of “spiritual” just like there are of “spirit”. Here is one of those meanings:

    pneumatikos

    2) belonging to a spirit, or a being higher than man but inferior to God

    In 1 Cor 15, the “spiritual body” is the body which belongs to a spirit being. Paul is teaching that we were once HUMAN beings in natural bodies, but will be raised SPIRIT beings in spiritual bodies.

    Of course, I don't expect you to agree with it now, since you fought against EVERY SINGLE PERSON on this site about it in the “Bodies” thread. Naturally, we're ALL wrong, and only you are right.

    #311925
    mikeboll64
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    Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 07 2012,02:29)
    Just something I learned when looking at the ancient Greek behind the English translations.

    Helps Wordstudies:

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    5591 psyxikós (an adjective, derived from 5590 /psyxḗ, “soul, natural identity”) – properly, soulish, i.e. what is natural, as it relates to physical (tangible) life alone (i.e. apart from God's inworking of faith).


    NETNotes says the word is a synonym of “sarkikos”, which means “fleshy, fleshly, carnal”, etc.

    Anyway, was your “soulish” post supposed to be disagreeing with what I posted to Gene?  If so, with what part were you disagreeing? I'm still not sure what point you're trying to make by introducing a word that I don't think any of us have ever heard or used in our lifetime.

    #311935
    terraricca
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    Mike

    having fun ????:)

    #311937
    mikeboll64
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    :cool:

    #311956
    kerwin
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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 08 2012,08:04)

    Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 07 2012,02:29)
    Just something I learned when looking at the ancient Greek behind the English translations.

    Helps Wordstudies:

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    5591 psyxikós (an adjective, derived from 5590 /psyxḗ, “soul, natural identity”) – properly, soulish, i.e. what is natural, as it relates to physical (tangible) life alone (i.e. apart from God's inworking of faith).


    NETNotes says the word is a synonym of “sarkikos”, which means “fleshy, fleshly, carnal”, etc.

    Anyway, was your “soulish” post supposed to be disagreeing with what I posted to Gene?  If so, with what part were you disagreeing?  I'm still not sure what point you're trying to make by introducing a word that I don't think any of us have ever heard or used in our lifetime.


    Mike,

    The soul is what gives the flesh life at this time; the Spirit is what gives creation life after the resurrection.

    Flesh is also used as an idiom; as your sources tell us, but was not used in 1 Corinthians 15:44 & 46.

    #311957
    kerwin
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    Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 07 2012,18:00)

    Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 08 2012,02:29)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 07 2012,04:44)

    Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 05 2012,22:14)
    Mike,

    That is not a literal translation as soulish body is the one that is buried.


    I have never heard of any such thing as a “soulish body”, Kerwin.  Could you explain what it is you're talking about?


    Mike,

    Just something I learned when looking at the ancient Greek behind the English translations.

    Helps Wordstudies:

    Quote
    5591 psyxikós (an adjective, derived from 5590 /psyxḗ, “soul, natural identity”) – properly, soulish, i.e. what is natural, as it relates to physical (tangible) life alone (i.e. apart from God's inworking of faith).

    It appears certain experts believe soulish is an idiom that means natural.  It is only used in 1  Corinthians 44 & 46.

    I suspicion it is in reference to the soul of the body being in the blood.  

    Deuteronomy 12:23,  Leviticus 17:11, and maybe others though translators seem to prefer translating it to life.


    K

    what have you learn ???


    T,

    The soul gives life to the mortal body.

    #311969
    terraricca
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    Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 09 2012,02:52)

    Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 07 2012,18:00)

    Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 08 2012,02:29)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 07 2012,04:44)

    Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 05 2012,22:14)
    Mike,

    That is not a literal translation as soulish body is the one that is buried.


    I have never heard of any such thing as a “soulish body”, Kerwin.  Could you explain what it is you're talking about?


    Mike,

    Just something I learned when looking at the ancient Greek behind the English translations.

    Helps Wordstudies:

    Quote
    5591 psyxikós (an adjective, derived from 5590 /psyxḗ, “soul, natural identity”) – properly, soulish, i.e. what is natural, as it relates to physical (tangible) life alone (i.e. apart from God's inworking of faith).

    It appears certain experts believe soulish is an idiom that means natural.  It is only used in 1  Corinthians 44 & 46.

    I suspicion it is in reference to the soul of the body being in the blood.  

    Deuteronomy 12:23,  Leviticus 17:11, and maybe others though translators seem to prefer translating it to life.


    K

    what have you learn ???


    T,

    The soul gives life to the mortal body.


    K

    you mean MOTION but it is the soul that his the live and the being ,right ???

    #311970
    GeneBalthrop
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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 08 2012,12:59)

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 07 2012,10:11)
    It amazes me how you people do not even know what the word “SPIRITUAL” Means .  Here is another example of Spiritual  

    Rom 8:6…….For to be carnally minded is death; but to be “spiritually” minded is life and peace.


    Yes Gene,

    There are many scriptural meanings of “spiritual” just like there are of “spirit”.  Here is one of those meanings:

    pneumatikos

    2) belonging to a spirit, or a being higher than man but inferior to God

    In 1 Cor 15, the “spiritual body” is the body which belongs to a spirit being.  Paul is teaching that we were once HUMAN beings in natural bodies, but will be raised SPIRIT beings in spiritual bodies.

    Of course, I don't expect you to agree with it now, since you fought against EVERY SINGLE PERSON on this site about it in the “Bodies” thread.  Naturally, we're ALL wrong, and only you are right.


    Mike………..Wrong, Spiritual means Spirit focused in it's simplest terms. It does not have all kind of meanings in scripture as you falsely assume. And never is given to mean a type of body makeup, all bodies or Souls are driven by the minds in them, that mind can be Carnal focused or “Spiritually” focused.

    Our bodies we are born with has life IN it and these BODIES are maintained by the Life which is the Spirit working in the Blood, these Spirits control and maintains and repairs our bodies even now. The spirit in blood sustains our bodies and thus our life, this “body”and Spirit is the complete “Living Soul” .

    When a man dies the Spirit in the blood leaves his body and returns to God who gave it in the first place that soul dies. This is why God said Ables blood cried unto him from the ground where it was spilled. Life of the body is (Spirit) and is in the blood. Because LIFE “IS” SPIRIT living “IN” bodies.

    There is no such thing as a SPIRIT “BODY” , there is only “Spirit in “BODIES”> A man can focus to the flesh body or focus to the Spirit in which case would make him “Spiritual” or Godly Minded even now.

    But all bodies are spiritually maintained even now and will be at the resurrection also. Spirit is Spirit a Body is a Body and it takes both to be a LIVING SOUL. IMO

    #311973
    mikeboll64
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    Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 08 2012,02:49)
    Mike,

    The soul is what gives the flesh life at this time; the Spirit is what gives creation life after the resurrection.

    Flesh is also used as an idiom; as your sources tell us, but was not used in 1 Corinthians 15:44 & 46.


    Kerwin,

    In 1 Cor 15, Paul answers these questions: How will the dead be raised? With what kind of body will they come?

    His answer is: With a spiritual body, which will replace the natural, fleshy body that died.

    #311974
    mikeboll64
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    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 08 2012,09:18)
    Mike………..Wrong, Spiritual means Spirit focused in it's simplest terms. It does not have all kind of meanings in scripture as you falsely assume.


    I'll tell you what, Gene,

    YOU keep on believing in only ONE meaning of “spirit” and “spiritual” in scripture…………….. while I and the rest of the world go on believing the truth of the matter, okay?

    #311984
    KangarooJack
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 09 2012,02:42)

    Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 08 2012,02:49)
    Mike,

    The soul is what gives the flesh life at this time; the Spirit is what gives creation life after the resurrection.

    Flesh is also used as an idiom; as your sources tell us, but was not used in 1  Corinthians 15:44 & 46.


    Kerwin,

    In 1 Cor 15, Paul answers these questions: How will the dead be raised?  With what kind of body will they come?

    His answer is:  With a spiritual body, which will replace the natural, fleshy body that died.


    Agreed. Paul said that the resurrection body is “not made with hands,” 2 Corinthians 5:1. The expression “not made with hands” means “not of THis creation, ” Hebrews 9:11 NKJV

    #311994
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    The body is dead without the soul. The soul is dead without the spirit.

    God can destroy both soul and body forever. In fact this is the Second Death.

    The soul and the spirit is like bone and the marrow.

    When God breathed (spirit) into Adam, he became a living soul.

    His soul was not alive before that and the body was obviously a shell. Once God's spirit entered, Adam became a living soul. A living soul animates and directs the body. The body is what ties you into this realm.

    Therefore a spiritual body or a body composed of spirit will tie you to that realm.

    And we look forward to a body like the resurrected Christ. He will call us brothers. Out lowly bodies will be transformed into a body like his. Read Revelations of his description. Hair white as snow. Eyes like fire. Legs like glowing hot metal. A glorious body.

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