Where is Jesus in the Old Testament?

Many argue that Jesus is not mentioned in the Old Testament. Of course many religious Jews believe this to be the case because they do not believe he is the prophecied messiah. But there are also others who are not religious Jews who believe the Old Testament scriptures never mention or allude to Jesus being the messiah. Is this correct? Did the New Testament writers get a little too creative when they claim that Jesus fulfilled prophecies in the scriptures? Let’s take a look.

There is no argument that the New Testament contains gospels, letters, and teachings centred around the theme that Jesus is the Messiah. And we know that the Old Testament talks about the Messiah. But is there enough evidence to link this messiah to Jesus. Is there proof that he fulfilled the prophecies of the coming messiah as written in the Old Testament?

Yes indeed. There are Old Testament scriptures and prophecies that only Jesus of Nazareth has fulfilled. While his name is not mentioned for obvious reasons, Jesus Christ is certainly the only person in history to fulfil the prophecies and scriptures that we will look at.

Isaiah 51

This verse of the suffering messiah clearly speaks of Jesus. If you asked anybody who this verse is talking about, there is no doubt that the average person on the street would say it was Jesus. Even if you asked the average Jew this question, they too would say it is Jesus (Yeshua). Below is a video that proves this statement.

Next, we take a closer look at this chapter. While it seems to clearly point to Jesus Christ, some argue that it is talking about Israel. This is the go to interpretation for those who deny Jesus. Let’s imagine this is true and draw some conclusions from this interpretation to see if it makes any kind of sense. Listed below are the points this chapter makes that do not fit at all with Israel. The list comprises of 4 sentences with the word ‘Israel’ added in to see if it makes any sense. Following on from that, are the actual words of Isaiah 51.

  1. Israel has no beauty or majesty to attract us to him;
  2. Israel took up our pain,  bore our suffering, pierced for our transgressions, and by Israel’s wounds we are healed;
  3. Israel was assigned a grave with the wicked,  and with the rich in his death, though Israel had done no violence;
  4. Israel poured out his life as an offering for sin and will justify many,  and bear their iniquities.

1. Who has believed our message
    and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
    and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
    nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
    a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
    he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.
4 Surely he took up our pain
    and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
    stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
    he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
    and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
    each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
    the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
    yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
    and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
    so he did not open his mouth.
8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away.
    Yet who of his generation protested?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
    for the transgression of my people he was punished.
9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
    and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
    nor was any deceit in his mouth.
10 Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
    and though the Lord makes his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
    and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
11 After he has suffered,
    he will see the light of life and be satisfied;
by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many,
    and he will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,
    and he will divide the spoils with the strong,
because he poured out his life unto death,
    and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
    and made intercession for the transgressors.

If you are fair and unbiased, it seems that Isaiah 51 is talking about Jesus. Further, Israel doesn’t seem to fit in this verse. While somethings could fit, points like suffering and dying for the sins of humanity doesn’t fit with Israel in the slightest.


Psalm 22

Just before Jesus died on the cross for humanities sins, he quoted Psalm 22:1. It is important to know that it was a practice to quote a scripture and the hearers recite the rest of the scripture. It was a good way to remember the scriptures. Jesus quoted the first verse in that Psalm so that the hearers might understand what was happening before their eyes. See Matthew 27:46:

About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?”
(which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”).

Now look at Psalm 22:

My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
Why are you so far from saving me,
so far from my cries of anguish?
2 My God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer,
by night, but I find no rest.
3 Yet you are enthroned as the Holy One;
you are the one Israel praises.
4 In you our ancestors put their trust;
they trusted and you delivered them.
5 To you they cried out and were saved;
in you they trusted and were not put to shame.
6 But I am a worm and not a man,
scorned by everyone, despised by the people.
7 All who see me mock me;
they hurl insults, shaking their heads.
8 “He trusts in the Lord,” they say,
    “let the Lord rescue him.
Let him deliver him,
    since he delights in him.”
9 Yet you brought me out of the womb;
you made me trust in you, even at my mother’s breast.
10 From birth I was cast on you;
from my mother’s womb you have been my God.
11 Do not be far from me,
for trouble is near
and there is no one to help.
12 Many bulls surround me;
strong bulls of Bashan encircle me.
13 Roaring lions that tear their prey
open their mouths wide against me.
14 I am poured out like water,
    and all my bones are out of joint.
My heart has turned to wax;
it has melted within me.
15 My mouth is dried up like a potsherd,
and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth;
you lay me in the dust of death.
16 Dogs surround me,
    a pack of villains encircles me;
    they pierce my hands and my feet.
17 All my bones are on display;
people stare and gloat over me.
18 They divide my clothes among them
    and cast lots for my garment.

If you look at the above scripture and particularly the verses that are bolded, you will see that they are a very apt description for the death of Jesus. Let’s read what John wrote regarding the time just after the death of Jesus. It spells out some of the prophecies that were fulfilled.

John 19

31 Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a special Sabbath. Because the Jewish leaders did not want the bodies left on the crosses during the Sabbath, they asked Pilate to have the legs broken and the bodies taken down.
32 The soldiers therefore came and broke the legs of the first man who had been crucified with Jesus, and then those of the other.
33 But when they came to Jesus and found that he was already dead, they did not break his legs.
34 Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus’ side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water.
35 The man who saw it has given testimony, and his testimony is true. He knows that he tells the truth, and he testifies so that you also may believe.
36 These things happened so that the scripture would be fulfilled: “Not one of his bones will be broken,”
37 and, as another scripture says, “They will look on the one they have pierced.”

The New Testament writers certainly believed that Jesus fulfilled Old Testament scripture. If you do not believe this to be the case, then ask yourself who in history has fulfilled these. If you are rational about it, you would at least have to admit that Jesus was the lead contender. In fact the only contender to date.


Daniel 3

In the Book of Daniel, it appears that the Son of God makes an appearance with three men who have been cast alive into a furnace. A fourth person appears who King Nebuchadnezzar says “the fourth looks like a son of the gods.” In other words, if the gods had a son, then this was him. Of course, there is but one Almighty God, and yes he does have a son. It is possible that this fourth person is an angel, but throughout the Old Testament an appearance of the Angel of the LORD is frequent. Many say that this is Jesus Christ before he came in the flesh, but others say it cannot be him as the Son of God was never an angel. This view does have a lot of merit though. Let’s address it by first reading Daniel 3:15-25.

15 Now when you hear the sound of the horn, flute, zither, lyre, harp, pipe and all kinds of music, if you are ready to fall down and worship the image I made, very good. But if you do not worship it, you will be thrown immediately into a blazing furnace. Then what god will be able to rescue you from my hand?” 16 Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego replied to him, “King Nebuchadnezzar, we do not need to defend ourselves before you in this matter. 17 If we are thrown into the blazing furnace, the God we serve is able to deliver us from it, and he will deliver us[c] from Your Majesty’s hand. 18 But even if he does not, we want you to know, Your Majesty, that we will not serve your gods or worship the image of gold you have set up.” 19 Then Nebuchadnezzar was furious with Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, and his attitude toward them changed. He ordered the furnace heated seven times hotter than usual 20 and commanded some of the strongest soldiers in his army to tie up Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego and throw them into the blazing furnace. 21 So these men, wearing their robes, trousers, turbans and other clothes, were bound and thrown into the blazing furnace. 22 The king’s command was so urgent and the furnace so hot that the flames of the fire killed the soldiers who took up Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, 23 and these three men, firmly tied, fell into the blazing furnace. 24 Then King Nebuchadnezzar leaped to his feet in amazement and asked his advisers, “Weren’t there three men that we tied up and threw into the fire?” They replied, “Certainly, Your Majesty.” 25 He said, “Look! I see four men walking around in the fire, unbound and unharmed, and the fourth looks like a son of the gods.”

The word Angel is found throughout the Old Testament. It usually refers to heavenly creature who delivers a message from God to humans. However, it can also refer to humans as they can be messengers too. Thus, angel or messenger can be applied to many kinds of being if they are a messenger of God. So this answers the concern that Jesus is not an angel. He actually is an angel or messenger, but not the usual messenger which are usually heavenly cherubs etc.

But there is a also a specific angel called: ‘The Angel of the LORD’ who appears numerous times in the Old Testament, but never in the New Testament. One reason for this could be that this messenger is none other than Jesus Christ before coming in the flesh and who would deny that Jesus is the main Messenger of God?

If this is him, then you would expect no appearances of this messenger during the time Jesus was alive on Earth and this is the case. It is also interesting to note that persons who saw this messenger as recorded in the Old Testament often said that they have seen God even though God himself is invisible. How do we make sense of this? Well in Colossians 1:15-16 we read:

The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him.

Colossians certainly fits with Jesus being the Angel of the LORD in the sense that there is no double up of them appearing at the same time and the fact that Jesus Christ is the exact image of the invisible God in bodily form whiches matches the description of seeing God. Let’s read more about the Angel of the LORD to see if this could be the identity of Jesus before he was born into this world.

To be continued.

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  • #310679
    mikeboll64
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    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 26 2012,09:21)
    Mike…….The  Greek word “Psuche”  is where we get our word Physic from it has to deal with the Mind our thinking.


    Gene,

    This is from Dictionary.com:
    psyche

    1647, “animating spirit,” from L. psyche, from Gk. psykhe “the soul, mind, spirit, breath, life, the invisible animating principle or entity which occupies and directs the physical body”

    You are right about the origins of the word “psyche”.  But you apparently don't agree with the bolded definition of psyche as listed above.  I do agree with it, because Jesus himself taught of a difference between the soul and the body.

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 26 2012,09:21)
    Mike why do you thing Jesus told the disciples right after he spoke those words, this for,….. every hair on you head is “numbered” Why worry about every head on a persons head being numbered,  if not for a reconstruction at a later date .


    Gene, here you are just reading things into the scripture.  If I tell my son that I won't let some bully “harm a single hair on his head”, I am speaking metaphorically, and saying that I won't let that bully harm him – even a little bit.

    When we are told that our hairs are numbered, it is an emphatic statement telling us that God knows us personally, inside and out.  In other words, we are very important to Him – not just specs of sand on a seashore.

    Think it out Gene, I have much LESS hair at 47 than I had at 17.  So will God resurrect me with my 17 year old head of hair?  My 47 year old head of hair?  Or my 90 year old head of hair?

    #310681
    mikeboll64
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    Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 26 2012,02:02)
    Sheol has a lowest part and the lower part Jesus teaches is a place of torment.


    Kerwin,

    I understand your belief. And I understand that you come to it by way of Jesus' parable about Lazarus and Abraham. Remember that Jesus also called those who hear God's words and do it “seeds that fell on good soil”. We are not LITERALLY seeds that fell on good soil though, right?

    Anyway, I do understand what you are saying. I don't remember Jesus ever teaching about different levels of Sheol. Nor do I think the scriptures you are posting in support of your belief are really support. I believe those scriptures teach that there is no place you could go that God still can't see you, for He can even see right into Sheol/Hades/Abbadon.

    #310768
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 26 2012,20:28)
    k

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    The Jews of that time held to teachings similar to what Jesus taught.

    witch sect ??? Sadducee's ???


    T,

    All of them; there is even such a teaching in the Dead Sea Scrolls. The Sadducees did not teach a resurrection from the dead.

    #310774
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 27 2012,18:06)

    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 26 2012,20:28)
    k

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    The Jews of that time held to teachings similar to what Jesus taught.

    witch sect ??? Sadducee's ???


    T,

    All of them; there is even such a teaching in the Dead Sea Scrolls.  The Sadducees did not teach a resurrection from the dead.


    K

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    1)All of them; there is even such a teaching in the Dead Sea Scrolls.  2)The Sadducees did not teach a resurrection from the dead.

    your two first words are in totally opposed to the number 2

    the truth is that God sins the beginning of creation never changed in his teachings,Moses law only confirm what always was ,but so few respected it.

    #310777
    kerwin
    Participant

    T,

    Scripture is clear that both Abaddon and Sheol are lands of the dead. At least some Sadducees acknowledge that the dead lived within. On the other hand they failed to believe in the resurrection of the dead as it is not explicitly taught in the Old Testament.

    #310781
    kerwin
    Participant

    T;

    I was not speaking of all Jesus' teachings; just those about Sheol and Abaddon.

    #310783
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 27 2012,18:28)
    T,

    Scripture is clear that both Abaddon and Sheol are lands of the dead.  At least some Sadducees acknowledge that the dead lived within.   On the other hand they failed to believe in the resurrection of the dead as it is not explicitly taught in the Old Testament.


    k

    THE RESURRECTION IS THOUGHT SINS THE BEGINNING;

    Abaddon and Sheol are same meaning; IT IS THE PLACE WERE ALL MEN WHO DIES GOES; THIS IS THE ONLY CERTITUDE THE LIVING HAVE .and it is only in our faith that we believe that God will resurrect us for judgement ,only wen Christ came he made it that it was possible to be free of the judgement by the grace of his father .

    Christ tells that those who die are sleeping,or a condition similar to sleeping (stand still)

    #310784
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 27 2012,18:32)
    T;

    I was not speaking of all Jesus' teachings; just those about Sheol and Abaddon.


    K

    it did not say that ,right ??? NO

    #310789
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 27 2012,06:35)

    Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 27 2012,18:28)
    T,

    Scripture is clear that both Abaddon and Sheol are lands of the dead.  At least some Sadducees acknowledge that the dead lived within.   On the other hand they failed to believe in the resurrection of the dead as it is not explicitly taught in the Old Testament.


    k

    THE RESURRECTION IS THOUGHT SINS THE BEGINNING;

    Abaddon and Sheol are same meaning; IT IS THE PLACE WERE ALL MEN WHO DIES GOES; THIS IS THE ONLY CERTITUDE THE LIVING HAVE .and it is only in our faith that we believe that God will resurrect us for judgement ,only wen Christ came he made it that it was possible to be free of the judgement by the grace of his father .

    Christ tells that those who die are sleeping,or a condition similar to sleeping (stand still)


    T,

    Abaddon means Destruction.
    Sheol means Grave.

    The wicked dead go to Abaddon of Sheol where they are tormented.

    #310794
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 27 2012,19:04)

    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 27 2012,06:35)

    Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 27 2012,18:28)
    T,

    Scripture is clear that both Abaddon and Sheol are lands of the dead.  At least some Sadducees acknowledge that the dead lived within.   On the other hand they failed to believe in the resurrection of the dead as it is not explicitly taught in the Old Testament.


    k

    THE RESURRECTION IS THOUGHT SINS THE BEGINNING;

    Abaddon and Sheol are same meaning; IT IS THE PLACE WERE ALL MEN WHO DIES GOES; THIS IS THE ONLY CERTITUDE THE LIVING HAVE .and it is only in our faith that we believe that God will resurrect us for judgement ,only wen Christ came he made it that it was possible to be free of the judgement by the grace of his father .

    Christ tells that those who die are sleeping,or a condition similar to sleeping (stand still)


    T,

    Abaddon means Destruction.
    Sheol means Grave.

    The wicked dead go to Abaddon of Sheol where they are tormented.


    K

    you mean that in the grave their is no destruction ???

    how is that ???

    #310798
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 27 2012,08:05)

    Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 27 2012,19:04)

    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 27 2012,06:35)

    Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 27 2012,18:28)
    T,

    Scripture is clear that both Abaddon and Sheol are lands of the dead.  At least some Sadducees acknowledge that the dead lived within.   On the other hand they failed to believe in the resurrection of the dead as it is not explicitly taught in the Old Testament.


    k

    THE RESURRECTION IS THOUGHT SINS THE BEGINNING;

    Abaddon and Sheol are same meaning; IT IS THE PLACE WERE ALL MEN WHO DIES GOES; THIS IS THE ONLY CERTITUDE THE LIVING HAVE .and it is only in our faith that we believe that God will resurrect us for judgement ,only wen Christ came he made it that it was possible to be free of the judgement by the grace of his father .

    Christ tells that those who die are sleeping,or a condition similar to sleeping (stand still)


    T,

    Abaddon means Destruction.
    Sheol means Grave.

    The wicked dead go to Abaddon of Sheol where they are tormented.


    K

    you mean that in the grave their is no destruction ???

    how is that ???


    T,

    We are taught that the soul of a person goes to Sheol but that it is not destroyed there. It is destroyed in Gehenna, the lake of fire.

    Abaddon, though means destruction.

    #310854
    terraricca
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    Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 27 2012,21:07)

    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 27 2012,08:05)

    Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 27 2012,19:04)

    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 27 2012,06:35)

    Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 27 2012,18:28)
    T,

    Scripture is clear that both Abaddon and Sheol are lands of the dead.  At least some Sadducees acknowledge that the dead lived within.   On the other hand they failed to believe in the resurrection of the dead as it is not explicitly taught in the Old Testament.


    k

    THE RESURRECTION IS THOUGHT SINS THE BEGINNING;

    Abaddon and Sheol are same meaning; IT IS THE PLACE WERE ALL MEN WHO DIES GOES; THIS IS THE ONLY CERTITUDE THE LIVING HAVE .and it is only in our faith that we believe that God will resurrect us for judgement ,only wen Christ came he made it that it was possible to be free of the judgement by the grace of his father .

    Christ tells that those who die are sleeping,or a condition similar to sleeping (stand still)


    T,

    Abaddon means Destruction.
    Sheol means Grave.

    The wicked dead go to Abaddon of Sheol where they are tormented.


    K

    you mean that in the grave their is no destruction ???

    how is that ???


    T,

    We are taught that the soul of a person goes to Sheol but that it is not destroyed there.  It is destroyed in Gehenna, the lake of fire.

    Abaddon, though means destruction.


    K

    now you mixing more stuf ,and so now what is it that we were discussing ???

    #310882
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 27 2012,03:42)

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 26 2012,09:21)
    Mike…….The  Greek word “Psuche”  is where we get our word Physic from it has to deal with the Mind our thinking.


    Gene,

    This is from Dictionary.com:
    psyche

    1647, “animating spirit,” from L. psyche, from Gk. psykhe “the soul, mind, spirit, breath, life, the invisible animating principle or entity which occupies and directs the physical body”

    You are right about the origins of the word “psyche”.  But you apparently don't agree with the bolded definition of psyche as listed above.  I do agree with it, because Jesus himself taught of a difference between the soul and the body.

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 26 2012,09:21)
    Mike why do you thing Jesus told the disciples right after he spoke those words, this for,….. every hair on you head is “numbered” Why worry about every head on a persons head being numbered,  if not for a reconstruction at a later date .


    Gene, here you are just reading things into the scripture.  If I tell my son that I won't let some bully “harm a single hair on his head”, I am speaking metaphorically, and saying that I won't let that bully harm him – even a little bit.

    When we are told that our hairs are numbered, it is an emphatic statement telling us that God knows us personally, inside and out.  In other words, we are very important to Him – not just specs of sand on a seashore.

    Think it out Gene, I have much LESS hair at 47 than I had at 17.  So will God resurrect me with my 17 year old head of hair?  My 47 year old head of hair?  Or my 90 year old head of hair?


    Mike………..It doesn't matter if you have less Hair not then when you were young in each of you Hairs is Your DNA and can Be Genetically Numbered by you Genetic make up. You complete body can be remade for the Genetic Code in every Hair on anyones head.

    You completer DNA is all THERE. Jesus was referencing that their Bodies no matter what was to happen, were perfectly Preserved BY GOD. It amazes me you can't even Get that out of what Jesus was saying to his disciples AMAZING !

    #310908
    mikeboll64
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    Gene,

    God can raise children of Abraham from stones. Do stones have DNA?

    #310950
    terraricca
    Participant

    Mike

    lets not forget the dna in the dust of the earth :D

    #310955
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Mike………..Right, God can Create the DNA from what ever he choses, However it is the “EXACT” DNA of EACH INDIVIDUAL that Jesus was referring to Not Just a general sense of the Word but a “SPECIFIC” sense of it, he was referring to there individual physical existence.   each individual disciples Hair was Numbered . So their individual DNA was PRESERVED , My quest to you is why if not for a future reconstruction of the “INDIVIDUAL PERSON?

    peace and love to you and yours……………………………………………….gene

    #311012
    mikeboll64
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    I've already answered your “quest” to me, Gene. :)

    Jesus was telling us that God knows us inside and out – to the point of knowing the exact numbers of hairs on our heads. He was pointing out that we are IMPORTANT to God, and not just like specs of sand on a seashore.

    #311104
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 27 2012,17:41)

    Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 27 2012,21:07)

    T,

    We are taught that the soul of a person goes to Sheol but that it is not destroyed there.  It is destroyed in Gehenna, the lake of fire.

    Abaddon, though means destruction.


    K

    now you mixing more stuf ,and so now what is it that we were discussing ???


    T,

    Not really as Sheol/Hades is the first death and Gehenna/The Lake of Fire is the second death.

    Abaddon's name hints it refers to the second death but it is seemingly used to speak of the first and then as a companion to Sheol.

    Jesus speaks of a land of torment within Sheol; and Abaddon's name seems to fit such a place.

    #311107
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 30 2012,04:33)

    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 27 2012,17:41)

    Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 27 2012,21:07)

    T,

    We are taught that the soul of a person goes to Sheol but that it is not destroyed there.  It is destroyed in Gehenna, the lake of fire.

    Abaddon, though means destruction.


    K

    now you mixing more stuf ,and so now what is it that we were discussing ???


    T,

    Not really as Sheol/Hades is the first death and Gehenna/The Lake of Fire is the second death.

    Abaddon's name hints it refers to the second death but it is seemingly used to speak of the first and then as a companion to Sheol.

    Jesus speaks of a land of torment within Sheol; and Abaddon's name seems to fit such a place.


    k

    Rev 9:11 They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek, Apollyon.(means destroyer)

    is this scritpure reffers to the grave ???? read it again

    Christ to me in his parable illustrate the place were one righteous goes and were the wicked goes waiting for the time of judgement.

    so that even in dead the righteous are kept separated from the wickeds ,

    #311124
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 29 2012,11:10)
    I've already answered your “quest” to me, Gene.  :)

    Jesus was telling us that God knows us inside and out – to the point of knowing the exact numbers of hairs on our heads.  He was pointing out that we are IMPORTANT to God, and not just like specs of sand on a seashore.


    Mike………..Point is why used a Physical thing like Hair to illustrate that Point, and the other point is why would God even care about our “EXACTNESS” in any Physical sense if a Physical “Body” would not be Need again but was only going to be done away with as you presume we will be a “SPIRIT BEINGS” in the resurrection?

    Mike all resurrections in the scriptures show a “PHYSICAL” Body reconstructed or as Jesus put it in the regeneration> Jesus “BODY” was regenerated BY GOD after He died Mike> He plainly said He was not a “SPIRIT” , a spirit has not flesh and bone as you see i have

    Peace and love to you and yours Mike……………………………….gene

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