Where is Jesus in the Old Testament?

Many argue that Jesus is not mentioned in the Old Testament. Of course many religious Jews believe this to be the case because they do not believe he is the prophecied messiah. But there are also others who are not religious Jews who believe the Old Testament scriptures never mention or allude to Jesus being the messiah. Is this correct? Did the New Testament writers get a little too creative when they claim that Jesus fulfilled prophecies in the scriptures? Let’s take a look.

There is no argument that the New Testament contains gospels, letters, and teachings centred around the theme that Jesus is the Messiah. And we know that the Old Testament talks about the Messiah. But is there enough evidence to link this messiah to Jesus. Is there proof that he fulfilled the prophecies of the coming messiah as written in the Old Testament?

Yes indeed. There are Old Testament scriptures and prophecies that only Jesus of Nazareth has fulfilled. While his name is not mentioned for obvious reasons, Jesus Christ is certainly the only person in history to fulfil the prophecies and scriptures that we will look at.

Isaiah 51

This verse of the suffering messiah clearly speaks of Jesus. If you asked anybody who this verse is talking about, there is no doubt that the average person on the street would say it was Jesus. Even if you asked the average Jew this question, they too would say it is Jesus (Yeshua). Below is a video that proves this statement.

Next, we take a closer look at this chapter. While it seems to clearly point to Jesus Christ, some argue that it is talking about Israel. This is the go to interpretation for those who deny Jesus. Let’s imagine this is true and draw some conclusions from this interpretation to see if it makes any kind of sense. Listed below are the points this chapter makes that do not fit at all with Israel. The list comprises of 4 sentences with the word ‘Israel’ added in to see if it makes any sense. Following on from that, are the actual words of Isaiah 51.

  1. Israel has no beauty or majesty to attract us to him;
  2. Israel took up our pain,  bore our suffering, pierced for our transgressions, and by Israel’s wounds we are healed;
  3. Israel was assigned a grave with the wicked,  and with the rich in his death, though Israel had done no violence;
  4. Israel poured out his life as an offering for sin and will justify many,  and bear their iniquities.

1. Who has believed our message
    and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
    and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
    nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
    a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
    he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.
4 Surely he took up our pain
    and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
    stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
    he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
    and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
    each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
    the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
    yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
    and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
    so he did not open his mouth.
8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away.
    Yet who of his generation protested?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
    for the transgression of my people he was punished.
9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
    and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
    nor was any deceit in his mouth.
10 Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
    and though the Lord makes his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
    and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
11 After he has suffered,
    he will see the light of life and be satisfied;
by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many,
    and he will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,
    and he will divide the spoils with the strong,
because he poured out his life unto death,
    and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
    and made intercession for the transgressors.

If you are fair and unbiased, it seems that Isaiah 51 is talking about Jesus. Further, Israel doesn’t seem to fit in this verse. While somethings could fit, points like suffering and dying for the sins of humanity doesn’t fit with Israel in the slightest.


Psalm 22

Just before Jesus died on the cross for humanities sins, he quoted Psalm 22:1. It is important to know that it was a practice to quote a scripture and the hearers recite the rest of the scripture. It was a good way to remember the scriptures. Jesus quoted the first verse in that Psalm so that the hearers might understand what was happening before their eyes. See Matthew 27:46:

About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?”
(which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”).

Now look at Psalm 22:

My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
Why are you so far from saving me,
so far from my cries of anguish?
2 My God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer,
by night, but I find no rest.
3 Yet you are enthroned as the Holy One;
you are the one Israel praises.
4 In you our ancestors put their trust;
they trusted and you delivered them.
5 To you they cried out and were saved;
in you they trusted and were not put to shame.
6 But I am a worm and not a man,
scorned by everyone, despised by the people.
7 All who see me mock me;
they hurl insults, shaking their heads.
8 “He trusts in the Lord,” they say,
    “let the Lord rescue him.
Let him deliver him,
    since he delights in him.”
9 Yet you brought me out of the womb;
you made me trust in you, even at my mother’s breast.
10 From birth I was cast on you;
from my mother’s womb you have been my God.
11 Do not be far from me,
for trouble is near
and there is no one to help.
12 Many bulls surround me;
strong bulls of Bashan encircle me.
13 Roaring lions that tear their prey
open their mouths wide against me.
14 I am poured out like water,
    and all my bones are out of joint.
My heart has turned to wax;
it has melted within me.
15 My mouth is dried up like a potsherd,
and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth;
you lay me in the dust of death.
16 Dogs surround me,
    a pack of villains encircles me;
    they pierce my hands and my feet.
17 All my bones are on display;
people stare and gloat over me.
18 They divide my clothes among them
    and cast lots for my garment.

If you look at the above scripture and particularly the verses that are bolded, you will see that they are a very apt description for the death of Jesus. Let’s read what John wrote regarding the time just after the death of Jesus. It spells out some of the prophecies that were fulfilled.

John 19

31 Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a special Sabbath. Because the Jewish leaders did not want the bodies left on the crosses during the Sabbath, they asked Pilate to have the legs broken and the bodies taken down.
32 The soldiers therefore came and broke the legs of the first man who had been crucified with Jesus, and then those of the other.
33 But when they came to Jesus and found that he was already dead, they did not break his legs.
34 Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus’ side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water.
35 The man who saw it has given testimony, and his testimony is true. He knows that he tells the truth, and he testifies so that you also may believe.
36 These things happened so that the scripture would be fulfilled: “Not one of his bones will be broken,”
37 and, as another scripture says, “They will look on the one they have pierced.”

The New Testament writers certainly believed that Jesus fulfilled Old Testament scripture. If you do not believe this to be the case, then ask yourself who in history has fulfilled these. If you are rational about it, you would at least have to admit that Jesus was the lead contender. In fact the only contender to date.


Daniel 3

In the Book of Daniel, it appears that the Son of God makes an appearance with three men who have been cast alive into a furnace. A fourth person appears who King Nebuchadnezzar says “the fourth looks like a son of the gods.” In other words, if the gods had a son, then this was him. Of course, there is but one Almighty God, and yes he does have a son. It is possible that this fourth person is an angel, but throughout the Old Testament an appearance of the Angel of the LORD is frequent. Many say that this is Jesus Christ before he came in the flesh, but others say it cannot be him as the Son of God was never an angel. This view does have a lot of merit though. Let’s address it by first reading Daniel 3:15-25.

15 Now when you hear the sound of the horn, flute, zither, lyre, harp, pipe and all kinds of music, if you are ready to fall down and worship the image I made, very good. But if you do not worship it, you will be thrown immediately into a blazing furnace. Then what god will be able to rescue you from my hand?” 16 Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego replied to him, “King Nebuchadnezzar, we do not need to defend ourselves before you in this matter. 17 If we are thrown into the blazing furnace, the God we serve is able to deliver us from it, and he will deliver us[c] from Your Majesty’s hand. 18 But even if he does not, we want you to know, Your Majesty, that we will not serve your gods or worship the image of gold you have set up.” 19 Then Nebuchadnezzar was furious with Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, and his attitude toward them changed. He ordered the furnace heated seven times hotter than usual 20 and commanded some of the strongest soldiers in his army to tie up Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego and throw them into the blazing furnace. 21 So these men, wearing their robes, trousers, turbans and other clothes, were bound and thrown into the blazing furnace. 22 The king’s command was so urgent and the furnace so hot that the flames of the fire killed the soldiers who took up Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, 23 and these three men, firmly tied, fell into the blazing furnace. 24 Then King Nebuchadnezzar leaped to his feet in amazement and asked his advisers, “Weren’t there three men that we tied up and threw into the fire?” They replied, “Certainly, Your Majesty.” 25 He said, “Look! I see four men walking around in the fire, unbound and unharmed, and the fourth looks like a son of the gods.”

The word Angel is found throughout the Old Testament. It usually refers to heavenly creature who delivers a message from God to humans. However, it can also refer to humans as they can be messengers too. Thus, angel or messenger can be applied to many kinds of being if they are a messenger of God. So this answers the concern that Jesus is not an angel. He actually is an angel or messenger, but not the usual messenger which are usually heavenly cherubs etc.

But there is a also a specific angel called: ‘The Angel of the LORD’ who appears numerous times in the Old Testament, but never in the New Testament. One reason for this could be that this messenger is none other than Jesus Christ before coming in the flesh and who would deny that Jesus is the main Messenger of God?

If this is him, then you would expect no appearances of this messenger during the time Jesus was alive on Earth and this is the case. It is also interesting to note that persons who saw this messenger as recorded in the Old Testament often said that they have seen God even though God himself is invisible. How do we make sense of this? Well in Colossians 1:15-16 we read:

The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him.

Colossians certainly fits with Jesus being the Angel of the LORD in the sense that there is no double up of them appearing at the same time and the fact that Jesus Christ is the exact image of the invisible God in bodily form whiches matches the description of seeing God. Let’s read more about the Angel of the LORD to see if this could be the identity of Jesus before he was born into this world.

To be continued.

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  • #310169
    terraricca
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    NO, body and soul is not the same thing ,this is clear in scriptures, no doubts about it .

    when dead,the soul being aware of anything,??? on earth definitely not .

    being aware of what in the spirit ??? only the 144k can I understand because their soul will never be in the flesh again ,accordingly to scriptures,

    all others ,scriptures does not say were they are waiting ,could it be in the dark of heaven and so be aware of nothing .???….

    would this not depend on God himself ??? I think so

    #310171
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 22 2012,22:49)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 22 2012,00:31)

    Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 20 2012,21:39)
    Mike,

    I believe that Jesus described Hades/Sheol truly as he would not spread false teachings.

    A soul is not the whole human being so at this point I would merely claim they speak, feel torment or comfort, and can be sent from the dead.  

    They also seem to rest in Sheol/Hades.


    Kerwin,

    I can't argue definitively against your point, because scripture seems to teach two different things.

    We have Jesus seeming to imply that the souls of the dead ARE conscious, while Solomon tells us point blank that they are not.

    There has to be some middle ground somewhere – information that we aren't privy to, I suppose.


    Mike,

    It is my thought that Solomon was speaking of the corpse since the word he used translated to dead dead is sometimes translated corpse elsewhere.  Jesus on the other hand was speaking of the soul.


    k

    Jesus is speaking of the the words of live that can make our soul live and so be saved from destruction ,but this was also in the law ,but not understood ,

    #310179
    mikeboll64
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    Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 21 2012,22:49)
    Mike,

    It is my thought that Solomon was speaking of the corpse since the word he used translated to dead dead is sometimes translated corpse elsewhere. Jesus on the other hand was speaking of the soul.


    Possibly, Kerwin. I can't argue against that conclusion.

    #310180
    mikeboll64
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    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 22 2012,09:04)
    Mike……….Yes becasue Body and Soul are ONE and the same thing. When one dies so dies the other.

    Point is God can destory both…………


    Gene,

    How can you say in one sentence that they are the same thing, and then continue on to explain to us how God can destroy BOTH of them?

    Some of your words contradict your other words.

    #310181
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    My brother Pierre,

    I have read your posts, and I simply disagree with your conclusion. There is no need to discuss it any further, as we are both aware of what the other believes, and those beliefs are simply different from each other.

    peace and love,
    mike

    #310244
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 23 2012,14:41)
    My brother Pierre,

    I have read your posts, and I simply disagree with your conclusion.  There is no need to discuss it any further, as we are both aware of what the other believes, and those beliefs are simply different from each other.

    peace and love,
    mike


    :)

    #310306
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 23 2012,07:38)

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 22 2012,09:04)
    Mike……….Yes becasue Body and Soul are ONE and the same thing. When one dies so dies the other.

    Point is God can destory both…………


    Gene,

    How can you say in one sentence that they are the same thing, and then continue on to explain to us how God can destroy BOTH of them?

    Some of your words contradict your other words.


    Mike……….Simple ……If God destroys the Body in the grave he also is destroying the Soul , Why , becasue a “Living Soul” is a body with spirit of life in it , take either part away and the “whole” “Living Soul”, is Not living anymore it is “dead”

    The whole concept of a person continuing to live after he dies is also a Mystery religious concept derived from pagan teachings.

    There is no life after death at all, and unless the Lord raise up another Body and put the spirit of life back into it we will never exist again after we die> Just that simple . When Jesus said he was dead he did not mean he still was “alive” after he died, and he would have remained that way for eternity if God had not raised his body and added spirit back into it again , so he could become a “LIVING SOUL” again. Just that simple nothing complicated about it , No body no Soul Period!> IMO

    peace and love to you and yours……………………………………gene

    #310329
    KangarooJack
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 22 2012,15:49)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 22 2012,00:31)

    Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 20 2012,21:39)
    Mike,

    I believe that Jesus described Hades/Sheol truly as he would not spread false teachings.

    A soul is not the whole human being so at this point I would merely claim they speak, feel torment or comfort, and can be sent from the dead.  

    They also seem to rest in Sheol/Hades.


    Kerwin,

    I can't argue definitively against your point, because scripture seems to teach two differnent things.

    We have Jesus seeming to imply that the souls of the dead ARE conscious, while Solomon tells us point blank that they are not.

    There has to be some middle ground somewhere – information that we aren't privy to, I suppose.


    Mike,

    It is my thought that Solomon was speaking of the corpse since the word he used translated to dead dead is sometimes translated corpse elsewhere.  Jesus on the other hand was speaking of the soul.


    Mike,

    Solomon said that in the days of his apostasy from God. Ecclesiastes reflected Solomon's thought while he was influenced by the wisdom that is “under the sun” (the world's wisdom).

    But in Proverbs 1:12 Solomon said that sheol swallows men ALIVE. Sheol was where the souls of the dead went to await the resurrection. Jesus' soul was resurrected from sheol.

    Proverbs reflects Solomon's thinking which was according to the wisdom of God.

    Solomon also said in Ecclesiastes that there was no judgment and he changed his mind about that too.

    Hebrews 11:16 says that the patriarchs “NOW DESIRE a heavenly country.” How do the unconscious “desire” Mike? The rsurrection had not happened yet.

    #310338
    mikeboll64
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    Good points, Jack. Thanks for the info.

    I am a little uncomfortable picking and choosing which of Solomon's teachings to believe, and which ones to dismiss as “apostate”.

    Is there scriptural information concerning when Solomon wrote his proverbs? Do we know for sure that Eccl. was written after he fell away from Jehovah and added the gods of his wives to his belief system?

    #310341
    mikeboll64
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    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 23 2012,08:57)
    Mike……….Simple ……If God destroys the Body in the grave he also is destroying the Soul.  Why , becasue a “Living Soul” is a body with spirit of life in it.


    You're doing it again, Gene.  Your word “also” implies that the body and the soul are TWO different things.

    1.  BODY                                                
    2.  SOUL

    If Jesus says men can only destroy ONE of those TWO things listed above, then it means they are indeed TWO different things, Gene.

    #310438
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 24 2012,08:10)

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 23 2012,08:57)
    Mike……….Simple ……If God destroys the Body in the grave he also is destroying the Soul.  Why , becasue a “Living Soul” is a body with spirit of life in it.


    You're doing it again, Gene.  Your word “also” implies that the body and the soul are TWO different things.

    1.  BODY                                                
    2.  SOUL

    If Jesus says men can only destroy ONE of those TWO things listed above, then it means they are indeed TWO different things, Gene.


    Mike……..The word there is Spirit not Soul as you assume it is. Look it up in the GREEK. When the Body and spirit is separated there is no more a Living SOUL, and the Body is corrupted in the Grave and the Spirit goes back to him who gave it in the first place.

    There is no more consciousness or activity when a person dies. He is dead for ever unless God restores a Body and add spirit back into it again. A Soul “IS” a Body with life giving Spirit in it> Nothing more and nothing less.

    The living SOUL, which is both a Body and Spirit can be destoryed by separation when a Person dies. So Jesus could say he who can destory both Body and Spirit in the “Grave” is right > God simply just has to leave it there in the grave and you will be gone for ever. Just that simple for him.

    Mike you have bought into GREEK Mythology of a after life in the neither world is apparent, By your not understanding when a person dies he is really dead . When Jesus said he was dead he did not mean he was still alive Mike> Again you simply do not believe Jesus it seem. IMO

    peace and love………………………………………………….gene

    #310448
    mikeboll64
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    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 24 2012,09:26)
    Mike……..The word there is Spirit not Soul as you assume it is. Look it up in the GREEK.


    Gene,

    It is the Greek word “psuche”, which means “soul”, in most cases. The Greek word for “spirit” is “pneuma”, not “psuche”.

    #310449
    mikeboll64
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    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 24 2012,09:26)
    There is no more consciousness or activity when a person dies.

    Mike you have bought into GREEK Mythology of a after life in the neither world is apparent, By your not understanding when a person dies he is really dead .


    Gene,

    Why are telling this to ME? Shouldn't you be telling it to KERWIN, since HE is the one who thinks the dead are conscious in Sheol?

    Btw, here is the scripture I was talking about before:
    Matthew 10:28 NIV
    Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

    The teaching is crystal clear, Gene. MEN can kill the body, but NOT the soul. God can destroy BOTH of these TWO things.

    #310463
    terraricca
    Participant

    mike

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    The teaching is crystal clear, Gene. MEN can kill the body, but NOT the soul. God can destroy BOTH of these TWO things.

    this is absolutely true, this is why one dies and decades but not the other only one his destroyed not the other ,for now any way , but judgement will ,

    sins scriptures says that the soul needs the flesh to make us going into action,then wen one part is remove ,all actions are stopped ,and may be what Christ called it would be better “SLEEP,” so you are there and you are not there so to speak,just waiting in sleep

    #310528
    kerwin
    Participant

    To,

    Where, what, and who is Abaddon?

    Job 26:6
    New American Standard Bible (NASB)

    6 “Naked is [a] Sheol before Him,
    And Abaddon has no covering.

    Footnotes:

    a Job 26:6 I.e. the nether world
    b Job 26:6 I.e. place of destruction

    Job 28:22
    New American Standard Bible (NASB)

    22 “[a] Abaddon and Death say,
    ‘With our ears we have heard a report of it.’

    Footnotes:

    a Job 28:22 I.e. Destruction

    Job 31:12
    New American Standard Bible (NASB)

    12 “For it would be fire that consumes to [a] Abaddon,
    And would uproot all my increase.

    Footnotes:

    a Job 31:12 I.e. place of destruction
    b Job 31:12 Or yield

    Psalm 88:11
    New American Standard Bible (NASB)

    11 Will Your lovingkindness be declared in the grave,
    Your faithfulness in [a]Abaddon?

    Footnotes:

    a Psalm 88:11 I.e. place of destruction

    Proverbs 15:11

    New American Standard Bible (NASB)

    11 [a] Sheol and Abaddon lie open before the Lord,
    How much more the hearts of [c]men!
    Footnotes:

    a Proverbs 15:11 I.e. the nether world
    b Proverbs 15:11 I.e. place of destruction
    c Proverbs 15:11 Lit sons of Adam

    Proverbs 27:20
    New American Standard Bible (NASB)

    20 [a] Sheol and Abaddon are never satisfied,
    Nor are the eyes of man ever satisfied.

    Footnotes:

    a Proverbs 27:20 I.e. The nether world
    b Proverbs 27:20 I.e. the place of destruction

    Revelation 9:11
    New American Standard Bible (NASB)

    11 They have as king over them, the angel of the abyss; his name in Hebrew is [a] Abaddon, and in the Greek he has the name Apollyon.
    Footnotes:

    a Revelation 9:11 I.e. destruction
    b Revelation 9:11 I.e. destroyer

    #310567
    mikeboll64
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    Pierre,

    I agree.

    Kerwin, should we discuss your scriptures one by one and see if they are really saying that souls remain conscious in Sheol?

    Let's do the Psalm first:
    Psalm 88
    10 Do you show your wonders to the dead?
    Do those who are dead rise up and praise you?
    Selah

    11 Is your love declared in the grave,
    your faithfulness in Abaddon?
    12 Are your wonders known in the place of darkness,
    or your righteous deeds in the land of oblivion?

    I believe these are rhetorical questions, to which the obvious answer, from the point of view of the writer, is “NO”.

    I believe the idea is: Help me now, LORD, because I won't be able to declare your love, see your wonders, or rise up and praise you when I'm dead and my soul has gone to Sheol.

    What do you think, Kerwin?

    #310578
    terraricca
    Participant

    Mike

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    Pierre,

    I agree.

    :)

    #310630
    kerwin
    Participant

    Mike,

    We both believe that the dead will rise up and praise God at the Resurrection.

    I seek to interpret Scripture in accordance to Jesus, teachings. The Jews of that time held to teachings similar to what Jesus taught.

    I asked about Abaddon as it is a place, possibly the abyss that the angel Abaddon, comes out of; while leading locus demons. Demons that may elsewhere be called scorpions.

    Sheol has a lowest part and the lower part Jesus teaches is a place of torment. The locusts demons are also said torment humanity when they are freed. We are taught that certain angels were bound the darkness of Tartarus.

    Psalm 88:6
    New American Standard Bible (NASB)

    6 You have put me in the lowest pit,
    In dark places, in the depths.

    In keeping with what Jesus teaches this Psalmist is declaring he or/and the one he prophesies of is tormented in the likeness of the rich man.

    It is my hypothesis that the Abyss, Abaddon, Tartarus, and the lowest pit are all the same place and that the angel that rules them is called Abaddon as well.

    #310654
    terraricca
    Participant

    k

    Quote
    The Jews of that time held to teachings similar to what Jesus taught.

    witch sect ??? Sadducee's ???

    #310669
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 25 2012,06:29)

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 24 2012,09:26)
    Mike……..The word there is Spirit not Soul as you assume it is. Look it up in the GREEK.


    Gene,

    It is the Greek word “psuche”, which means “soul”, in most cases.  The Greek word for “spirit” is “pneuma”, not “psuche”.


    Mike…….The Greek word “Psuche” is where we get our word Physic from it has to deal with the Mind our thinking. A Living soul is a Body with Spirit of Life “IN” it. A dead Soul is a Dead Body with the Spirit of Life removed “IT” the “LINING” SOUL then no longer exists without a body.

    Mike why do you thing Jesus told the disciples right after he spoke those words, this for,….. every hair on you head is “numbered” Why worry about every head on a persons head being numbered, if not for a reconstruction at a later date . If as you say we are going to be a Spirit at the resurrection why the need to number anyone hair on their read for>

    Jesus was showing his disciples that a record was Kept of their exact DNA for future reconstruction obviously for the resurrection, that all their Physical bodies was Kept in tack by recording of their exact DNA.

    There is a real resurrection of a Exact copy of our Physical Body and Spirit will be added back into it Just as Jesus' Soul was reconstructed by a Body and Spirit added back into it also. He has this same Body and Spirit Now he is Now a “LIVING SOUL” again. IMO

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