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Supporting the Trinity Doctrine? – The Trinity Doctrine

Part 01 – The Trinity Doctrine
Part 02 – Who is the Most High God?
Part 03 – Who and what is Jesus?
Part 04 – The true meaning of ‘God’
Part 05 – Supporting the Trinity
Part 06 – Pre-Nicene writings
Part 07 – Development of the Trinity
Part 08 – Why challenge the Trinity
Part 09 – Trinity Doctrine conclusion
Part 10 – An Apostasy
Part 11 – 100 indisputable proof verses
Part 12 – What is your confession?
Part 13 – The Roman Catholic faith
Part 14 – Trinity Doctrine resources

This page is dedicated to the scriptures that people use when supporting the Trinity Doctrine. We look at why they are used to support this doctrine and test their hypothesis to see if they stand the test of scrutiny.

Each scripture is listed with a link to its own page showing biblical evidence as to why these are not supporting the Trinity Doctrine.

Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

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Is Jesus called God in 1 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)?

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

Did Thomas call Jesus, his God in John 20:28 (KJV)?

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

Because YHWH calls himself “I am”  in Exodus 3:13-14, did Jesus claim to be Yahweh when he said “I am” in John 18:5-6?

5 “Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied. “I am he,” Jesus said. (And Judas the traitor was standing there with them.)
6 When Jesus said, “I am he,” they drew back and fell to the ground.

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1 John 5:7 lists the three so-called persons of the Trinity and says they are one. Does this prove the Trinity?

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

Does Isaiah 9:6 prove the Trinity because it calls Jesus the mighty God?

For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”‘

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

Does the baptismal formula in Matthew 28:19 prove the Trinity Doctrine?
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

John 1:1 says the Word was God. Does that mean that Jesus is God because he is the Word?

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

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John 1:18 calls Jesus ‘the begotten God”. Does this prove that Jesus is God and provide support for the Trinity Doctrine?

“No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten God, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.”

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

Is Jesus called the Alpha and Omega in Revelation 1:8, thus making him God?

8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

Colossians 2:9-10 says that Christ is the fullness of the Deity. Does this make Jesus God?

9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,
10 and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority.

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Philippians 2:6 says he existed in the form of God. Is this scriptural proof that Jesus is God?
who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,.

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Does Mark 12:36 support the Trinity Doctrine because of the usage of ‘Lord’?

David himself, speaking by the Holy Spirit, declared: “`The Lord said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet.”

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Did Jesus claim to be God in John 10:33 according to an accusation made by some Jews?

“We are not stoning you for any of these,” replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

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Was Jesus inferring he was God in John 5:18-19 when the Jews said he was making himself equal with God ?

18 For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
19 Jesus gave them this answer: “I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.

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Does the word “us” in Genesis 1:26 mean that God consists of plural persons as the Trinity Doctrine teaches?

Then God said, ‘Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

Did Jesus infer that he was God in John 10:30 when he said he was one with the Father?

“I and the Father are one”.

Read why this verses does not teach the Trinity →

Hebrews 1:6 states that Jesus is worshipped by angels. Does that make him God?

And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.”

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Does Hebrews 1:8 state that God called Jesus, God?

But concerning the Son, “Your throne O God is forever and ever.”

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Does Isaiah 48:11 support of the Trinity Doctrine because God does not give his glory to another?

For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

Does Titus 3:4-6 support the Trinity Doctrine because God is called our saviour?

4 But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared,
5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,
6 whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior,

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Does Revelation 1:8 & Revelation 1:17-18 prove that God is a Trinity because of the term First and Last?

Revelation 1:8
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.
&
Revelation 1:17-18
And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last.
“I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen.

Read why these verses do not teach the Trinity →

Does Deuteronomy 6:4 and Genesis 2:24 prove that God is a Trinity because ‘one’ means ‘unity’?

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.
&
Genesis 2:24
For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.

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Does Isaiah 45:23 & Philippians 2:10-11 read together prove that Jesus is God because we will bow to God?

Isaiah 45:23
By myself I have sworn,  my mouth has uttered in all integrity  a word that will not be revoked:
Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear.
&
Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Read why these verses do not teach the Trinity →

Does 1 Peter 2:6-8 & Isaiah 8:12-15 read together prove that Jesus is God because he is the stumbling stone?

1 Peter 2: 6-8
6 For in Scripture it says: “See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame.”
7 Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe, The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone,”
8 and,“A stone that causes people to stumble and a rock that makes them fall.”
&
Isaiah 8:12-15
11 For Jehovah spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me not to walk in the way of this people, saying,
12 Say ye not, A conspiracy, concerning all whereof this people shall say, A conspiracy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be in dread thereof .
13 Jehovah of hosts, him shall ye sanctify; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.
14 And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
15 And many shall stumble thereon, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken.

Read why these verses do not teach the Trinity →

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  • June 4, 2015 at 7:32 pm#798894
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Guys,

    I am sorry but the sheer weight of the repair work done to the trinity doctrine is threatening to bring the whole structure down.

     

    June 4, 2015 at 7:34 pm#798895
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    No you are deceived.

    It is surely not a heavenly process.

    But thanks for sharing and revealing this truth.

     

    June 6, 2015 at 6:29 pm#799038
    carmel
    Participant

     

    That seems to completely justify your delusions.

    Now back to the truth.

    HI Nick,

    OK, WITH PLEASURE!

    Your PREFERENCE is to go back and search the truth. NO?

    SO I WENT BACK TO PAGE 40/41

    AND YOU SAID:

    Yes the Word was with God and was God
    The Word was made flesh [ in Jesus ] and dwelt among us.
    So Jesus Christ is not God

    WITH EVERY RESPECT,

    PURE MADNESS!

     

    THEN I POSTED THE TRUTH FOR YOU HEREUNDER, READ:

    to keep you aware, OR RATHER TO MAKE YOU AWARE :

    Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is living and effectual,

    TO START WITH THE WORD IS LIVING AND EFFECTUAL! NOT JUST LIKE OUR OWN
    DEAD WORD! CLEAR?

    NOW EXPLAIN IN YOUR UNDERSTANDING HOW GOD’S WORD IS A LIVING THING and EFFECTUAL! BY THE WAY

    IN GOD’S OWN TERMS! OK? (1)

    and more piercing than any two edged sword;

    NOW EXPLAIN HOW GOD’S WORD PIERCE, IN A WAY MORE THEN ANY TWO EDGED SWORD!

    AGAIN IN GOD’S OWN TERMS!OK? (2)

    and reaching unto the division of the soul and the spirit,

    NOW EXPLAIN IN YOUR OWN UNDERSTANDING HOW GOD’S WORD SEPARATES,THE SPIRIT FROM THE SOUL!

    AGAIN IN GOD’S OWN TERMS! OK? (3)

    of the joints also and the marrow,

    NOW EXPLAIN HOW GOD’S WORD, SEPARATES THE HUMAN JOINTS FROM THE MARROW!

    AGAIN IN GOD’S OWN TERMS! OK? (4)

    and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

    NOW EXPLAIN HOW GOD’S OWN WORD DISCERNS THE THOUGHTS AND INTENTS OF THE HEART!

    AGAIN IN GOD’S OWN TERMS! OK? (5)

    13Neither is there any creature invisible in his sight:

    NOW EXPLAIN HOW,
    THIS TIME THOUGH NOT GOD’S OWN WORD,

    BUT GOD HIMSELF THROUGH, AND BY THE WORD NEITHER ANY CREATURE IS INVISIBLE IN HIS SIGHT!
    AGAIN IN GOD’S OWN TERMS! OK?     (6)

    but all things are naked and open to his eyes,
    NOW EXPLAIN HOW,AGAIN NOT GOD’S OWN WORD,

    BUT GOD HIMSELF THROUGH, AND BY THE WORD CAN MAKE ALL THINGS NAKED AND OPEN TO HIS EYES!

    IN GOD’S OWN TERMS! OK? (7)

    to whom our speech is.

    NOW THE ABOVE S A HEADACHE FOR YOU TO WHOM:

    TO “THE WORD,” JESUS,

    TO GOD,

    OR TO BOTH IN

    JESUS CHRIST?

    SO FROM THE ABOVE IT IS CLEAR THAT THE SPEECH WHICH PAUL DID, DEFINITELY RELATED BOTH TO “THE WORD” OF GOD AND ALSO TO GOD , BUT FOR SURE IN

    JESUS CHRIST NO?

    SINCE PAUL STARTED HIS SPEECH RELATED TO THE DESCRIPTION OF “THE WORD” AND CONCLUDED AND RELATED IT TO GOD!

    IN JESUS CHRIST!

    SO IT IS YOUR TASK NOW TO DEFINE YOUR FALSE DOCTRINE,
     RELATED FIRST TO HEBREWS 4:12:13, WHICH CONFIRMS THAT

    “THE WORD” JESUS’SPIRIT, THE SON OF MAN TO BE DURING CREATION AS THE ONLY MEDIATOR SPIRIT, AND ALSO THE ONLY MEDIATOR AS A DIVINE HUMAN PERSON BECAME

    THE WORD MADE FLESH, JESUS’BODY

    DIED, RESURRECTED, INTEGRATED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT, HIS SOUL, AND BECAME

    JESUS CHRIST

    JESUS the man “THE WORD MADE FLESH”

    CHRIST Jesus’ soul, THE HOLY SPIRIT

    THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST!

    THEN DEFINE IN YOUR OWN HUMAN TERMS WHAT THE WORD OF GOD ACTUALLY IS, IN ORDER TO ASSERT THAT

    JESUS AS YOU FALSELY DECLARED: IS NOT GOD!

    SO NICK I WENT BACK, AS YOU SUGGESTED,I PRODUCED THE TRUTH, AND SINCE THEN YOU NEVER MENTIONED ANY STATEMENT WHICH CONFIRMS WHAT IN YOUR UNDERSTANDING IS THE TRUTH,SUPPORTED BY SCRIPTURES, SO THAT AUTOMATICALLY CONFIRMS THAT THE ABOVE IS THE TRUTH, UNLESS YOU PRODUCE OTHERWISE IN RELATION

    TO ALL THE ABOVE

    ALSO NOTICE THERE ARE 7 PARTICULARS RELATED TO “THE WORD” AND THAT SEVEN REPRESENT

    THE SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD ALL IN

    JESUS CHRIST

    ALSO, ONLY THE LAST TWO ARE RELATED TO GOD HIMSELF and

    THE REMAINING FIVE ARE RELATED TO THE WORD ! JESUS!

    KEEP THIS IN MINED T REPEAT:

    JESUS,

    NOT JESUS CHRIST

    DUE TO THE FACT THAT JESUS’SPIRIT, THE SON WHO LEFT THE FATHER FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD,REV 13:8, BECAME FLESH AND GLORIFIED AS GOD IN FLESH!

    HERE THIS NOW:

    BUT JESUS’SPIRIT, THE SON, WHO LEFT THE FATHER………..AS I SAID ABOVE,

    IS TILL IN NATURE, IN THE ENTIRE CREATION,AND IN YOU NICK,

    SINCE ALL BY HIM……….

     

    THIS IN ORDER TO BE AWARE,
    ESPECIALLY YOU AND ALL THOSE WHO DON’T BELIEVE THAT JESUS CHRIST IS
    GOD IN FLESH

    THAT “THE WORD” INTEGRATED WITH

    THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND BECAME

     

    THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST

     

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    June 6, 2015 at 6:38 pm#799039
    carmel
    Participant

    No you are deceived.

    It is surely not a heavenly process.

    But thanks for sharing and revealing this truth.

    Nick,

    It’s no use,

    WITH EVERY RESPECT:

    We over here have a saying which go like this:

    DONKEY’S BRAYS NEVER ENTERED HEAVEN,

    AND THIS APPLIES TO YOU, SINCE YOU DO NOT SUPPORT YOUR ARGUMENTS BY USING THE RESPECTIVE SCRIPTURES,WITH YOUR DEFINITIONS IN ORDER TO CONTRADICTS ME!

    ENJOY:

    Braying Donkey – YouTube
    Video for donkeys braying sound▶ 0:42
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gROO7xSTxfY

    June 6, 2015 at 11:08 pm#799050
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    You do not speak the language of scripture

    but gobbledegook

     

    June 7, 2015 at 9:52 am#799107
    carmel
    Participant

     

    You do not speak the language of scripture

    but gobbledegook

    Nick,

    WHEN CAN WE HEAR YOUR

    LANGUAGE OF SCRIPTURE

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    June 7, 2015 at 9:54 am#799108
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    Do you accept 2cor 5.19 as truth or have your gnostic ideas surpassed scripture?

    June 7, 2015 at 10:06 am#799109
    carmel
    Participant

     

    Do you accept 2cor 5.19 as truth or have your gnostic ideas surpassed scripture?

    Nick,

    Post your definition of that scripture:

    THEN IT WILL BE the Holy Spirit TURN TO CONTRADICT YOU!

    John 16:8 And when he comes,

    he will correct the world

    concerning sin and

    concerning righteousness and

    concerning judgment;”

     

    SINCE YOU ARE AWARE OF MY

    language of scripture :

    gobbledegook

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    June 7, 2015 at 10:33 am#799110
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    So you are interested in the UNDERSTANDING of the scripture and not the words themselves??

    The words are spirit and life but you prefer the human reflections?

     

    June 10, 2015 at 7:34 pm#799365
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    @NNickHassan

    Are you just flesh?

    No, but then I am not the one saying that Jesus is just flesh and Christ is the spirit.

    Your teaching is confusing and I am not sure whether you are sticking to your stance or have moved around and changed your mind as you see fit.

    God made Jesus both Lord and Christ. He is the Word that became flesh. He existed in the form of God, emptied himself, served his God, died for our sins, rose from the dead, was taken up by God, to be back in the glory that he had with the Father before the Cosmos. Even Steven testified that he saw Jesus at God’s right side.

    But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God.

    June 10, 2015 at 8:41 pm#799369
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    WHERE did I say Jesus was just flesh?

    But I do say flesh is not from heaven but from earth.

    The WORD is from heaven and was made flesh in the SOUL of Jesus

    June 16, 2015 at 4:00 pm#799677
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Perhaps your words are confusing. The impression I was getting from your teaching was that Jesus was the man and Christ is the Word of God or God.

    If man is flesh and made from the earth and if we know that “Cursed is the one who trusts in man”,  were people cursed for trusting in Jesus before his baptism?

    Perhaps you could clearly state what it is you have been teaching. If I cannot understand what you are saying regarding Jesus and Christ, then perhaps others are just as confused.

    I haven’t got to the bottom of your Jesus of Nazareth and Jesus Christ differences yet. Perhaps you could list them for us? That would be helpful and may clear up any misconceptions.

    June 18, 2015 at 8:05 am#799785
    DavidL
    Participant

    yes…and your teaching about the Spirit – which seems similar to JW doctrine…

    June 18, 2015 at 8:29 am#799788
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    The obedient man Jesus was anointed from above with the Holy Spirit.

    Thence the vessel was led by the Spirit.

    Jesus Christ, the Word.

    June 18, 2015 at 2:58 pm#799827
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    So before the anointing he was not led by the Spirit?

    And Jesus is the Word, but only after baptism?

    June 18, 2015 at 3:55 pm#799834
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    Yes

     

    Before his anointing he was just a son of Adam, body soul and human spirit. Conceived of God in Mary and born of a woman, Mary. Acts 10.38 Job 25

    He was anointed from above by the Holy Spirit at the Jordan receiving in that one Holy Spirit the Spirit of Christ and the Spirit of truth from the Father.

    The Spirit of Christ is in the prophets [1 peter 1.11]and he was a prophet, in fact the Great Prophet spoken of by Moses and also quoted by Peter in Acts 3.22.

    The Word [the Spirit of Christ, Spirit of the Son] that was with God, was made flesh and dwelt among us. John spoke of the Word as Jesus Christ in 1 jn 1.

    Jesus Christ [the anointed] promised those who believe in him that they too would be given the Counsellor and another Counsellor so we can follow him.

     

     

    June 18, 2015 at 5:48 pm#799842
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Romans 8:14
    “All who are led by the Spirit of God are sons/children of God.”

    So he became a son of God at the baptism then?

    And what was he before the baptism if not a or the son or child of God?

     

     

    June 19, 2015 at 6:47 am#799860
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    before his baptism he was a man, a son of God and Mary by conception.

    But he became a unique son of God by anointing and then by obeying that anointing.

     

    And for us.

    Jn1

    “But as many as received him, to them he gave the right to BECOME children of God, even to those who believe in his name”

    October 24, 2016 at 3:51 am#817620
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    This video does a good job at refuting the interpretation of some of these so-called Trinity proof verses.

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