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Supporting the Trinity Doctrine? – The Trinity Doctrine

Part 01 – The Trinity Doctrine
Part 02 – Who is the Most High God?
Part 03 – Who and what is Jesus?
Part 04 – The true meaning of ‘God’
Part 05 – Supporting the Trinity
Part 06 – Pre-Nicene writings
Part 07 – Development of the Trinity
Part 08 – Why challenge the Trinity
Part 09 – Trinity Doctrine conclusion
Part 10 – An Apostasy
Part 11 – 100 indisputable proof verses
Part 12 – What is your confession?
Part 13 – The Roman Catholic faith
Part 14 – Trinity Doctrine resources

This page is dedicated to the scriptures that people use when supporting the Trinity Doctrine. We look at why they are used to support this doctrine and test their hypothesis to see if they stand the test of scrutiny.

Each scripture is listed with a link to its own page showing biblical evidence as to why these are not supporting the Trinity Doctrine.

Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

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Is Jesus called God in 1 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)?

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

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Did Thomas call Jesus, his God in John 20:28 (KJV)?

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

Because YHWH calls himself “I am”  in Exodus 3:13-14, did Jesus claim to be Yahweh when he said “I am” in John 18:5-6?

5 “Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied. “I am he,” Jesus said. (And Judas the traitor was standing there with them.)
6 When Jesus said, “I am he,” they drew back and fell to the ground.

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1 John 5:7 lists the three so-called persons of the Trinity and says they are one. Does this prove the Trinity?

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

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Does Isaiah 9:6 prove the Trinity because it calls Jesus the mighty God?

For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”‘

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Does the baptismal formula in Matthew 28:19 prove the Trinity Doctrine?
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

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John 1:1 says the Word was God. Does that mean that Jesus is God because he is the Word?

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

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John 1:18 calls Jesus ‘the begotten God”. Does this prove that Jesus is God and provide support for the Trinity Doctrine?

“No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten God, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.”

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Is Jesus called the Alpha and Omega in Revelation 1:8, thus making him God?

8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

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Colossians 2:9-10 says that Christ is the fullness of the Deity. Does this make Jesus God?

9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,
10 and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority.

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Philippians 2:6 says he existed in the form of God. Is this scriptural proof that Jesus is God?
who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,.

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Does Mark 12:36 support the Trinity Doctrine because of the usage of ‘Lord’?

David himself, speaking by the Holy Spirit, declared: “`The Lord said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet.”

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Did Jesus claim to be God in John 10:33 according to an accusation made by some Jews?

“We are not stoning you for any of these,” replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

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Was Jesus inferring he was God in John 5:18-19 when the Jews said he was making himself equal with God ?

18 For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
19 Jesus gave them this answer: “I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.

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Does the word “us” in Genesis 1:26 mean that God consists of plural persons as the Trinity Doctrine teaches?

Then God said, ‘Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness

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Did Jesus infer that he was God in John 10:30 when he said he was one with the Father?

“I and the Father are one”.

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Hebrews 1:6 states that Jesus is worshipped by angels. Does that make him God?

And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.”

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Does Hebrews 1:8 state that God called Jesus, God?

But concerning the Son, “Your throne O God is forever and ever.”

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Does Isaiah 48:11 support of the Trinity Doctrine because God does not give his glory to another?

For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.

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Does Titus 3:4-6 support the Trinity Doctrine because God is called our saviour?

4 But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared,
5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,
6 whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior,

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Does Revelation 1:8 & Revelation 1:17-18 prove that God is a Trinity because of the term First and Last?

Revelation 1:8
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.
&
Revelation 1:17-18
And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last.
“I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen.

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Does Deuteronomy 6:4 and Genesis 2:24 prove that God is a Trinity because ‘one’ means ‘unity’?

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.
&
Genesis 2:24
For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.

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Does Isaiah 45:23 & Philippians 2:10-11 read together prove that Jesus is God because we will bow to God?

Isaiah 45:23
By myself I have sworn,  my mouth has uttered in all integrity  a word that will not be revoked:
Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear.
&
Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

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Does 1 Peter 2:6-8 & Isaiah 8:12-15 read together prove that Jesus is God because he is the stumbling stone?

1 Peter 2: 6-8
6 For in Scripture it says: “See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame.”
7 Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe, The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone,”
8 and,“A stone that causes people to stumble and a rock that makes them fall.”
&
Isaiah 8:12-15
11 For Jehovah spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me not to walk in the way of this people, saying,
12 Say ye not, A conspiracy, concerning all whereof this people shall say, A conspiracy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be in dread thereof .
13 Jehovah of hosts, him shall ye sanctify; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.
14 And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
15 And many shall stumble thereon, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken.

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Discussion

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  • May 12, 2015 at 7:06 pm#797234
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    Hi KW,

    Stopping sinning is the inevitable result of being led by the Spirit.

    The sons of God are led by the Spirit of God.

    I agree with that

    May 12, 2015 at 7:17 pm#797235
    carmel
    Participant

     

    Nick,

    CONCLUSION

    John 6:68 And he said: Therefore did I say to you, that no man can come to me, unless it be given him by my Father.

    CLEAR NO? SO THE FATHER,THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT FROM WITHIN “THE WORD” JESUS’SPIRIT, OBVIOUS IN THE HUMAN ATTRIBUTES, AND POWER OF JESUS CHRIST GLORIFIED, DECLARED BY JESUS, IN THE WORDS:

    ………………..He shall GLORIFY me; because he shall RECEIVE OF MINE……………….,

    AND JESUS’ SPIRIT, “THE WORD” FROM WITHIN CORNELIUS, WAS CAPABLE TO DISCERN ALL, CONFIRMED HEREUNDER,

    Hebrews 4:12 For the word ………………..is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

    SO THE KINGDOM OF THE SON, “THE WORD” WAS IN CORNELIUS

    Acts 10:44 While Peter was yet speaking these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them that heard the word. SINCE THEY BELIEVED!

    Now reflect:, not Christ’s, yet OK? BUT IT DOESN’T MAKE A DIFFERENCE FOR GOD ALMIGHTY SINCE IF CORNELIUS DIED HIS SOUL WOULD HAVE GONE STRAIGHT TO HEAVEN, LIKE THAT THIEF WHO RECOGNISED JESUS FROM THE CROSS!

    SO GOD SENT THE HOLY GHOST AND MADE IT OBVIOUS THAT THOSE PEOPLE WERE IN THE TRUTH CHOSEN!

    And sent to be baptised and became the property of Jesus Christ! A CHILD OF GOD OF ALL FLESH, THE FATHER OF THE WORLD TO COME! ISAIAH 9:6

    BUT ONLY BECAUSE THEY LIVED ON EARTH, IN CHRIST IN THE SPIRIT AND TRUTH AND EARTH BELONGED TO SATAN, THE FACT THAT JESUS DECLARED THAT

    HE OVERCAME THE WORLD, HE OVERCAME THE ENTIRE PROCEDURES OF SATAN’S CARNAL LAWS! HE REPLACED ALL WITH HIS IMMACULATE FLESH FOR THE PLEASURE OF GOD THE FATHER AND POURED HIS BLOOD ON THEN, FILTHY EARTH!

    ACTS 10:45 And the faithful of the circumcision, who came with Peter, were ASTONISHED , for that the grace of the Holy Ghost was poured out upon the Gentiles also. 46For they heard them speaking with tongues, and magnifying God.

    UP TO THAT MOMENT IN TIME, THE JEWS TOOK IT FOR GRANTED THAT UNLESS THE GENTILES SATANIC, ARE CIRCUMCISED THEY WOULD NOT BE ENTITLED TO JESUS CHRIST BAPTISM. THE ARGUMENT BETWEEN PAUL AND PETER IN THE VERY BEGINNING OF PAUL’S MISSION!

    Acts 10:47 Then Peter answered:

    Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, who have received the Holy Ghost, as well as we?

    SO THEY RECEIVED THE HOLY GHOST FROM THE FATHER BEFORE THEY WERE EVEN BAPTISED!

    CAN YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE???

    48And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.

    THEN THEY WERE BAPTISED IN THE NAME OF

    THE LORD JESUS CHRIST,

    PETER MANIFESTED WHAT JESUS DECLARED IN

    JOHN 6:68 …Therefore did I say to you,

    that no man can come to me, unless it be given him by my Father.

    CORNELIUS WAS SENT BY THE FATHER THROUGH THE PRESENCE OF THE HOLY GHOST, IN ORDER TO RECEIVE IN THAT POARTICULAR TIME THE BAPTISM OF CHRIST DUE TO THE FACT THAT ON EARTH,CHRIST IS

    THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS’CHRIST

    SO ONE BATTLE IS OVER AND DONE WITH! REGARDING THE ENTIRE MATTER,

    WON , AND OWNED BY JESUS CHRIST:

    GOD OF ALL FLESH!

    ONE MORE TO GO FOR GOD ALMIGHTY TO BE OFFICIALLY DECLARED ON EARTH:

    GOD OF ALL SOULS! AND ACCOMPLISH HIS ABSOLUTE KINGDOM ON EARTH AND ELIMINATE SATAN ONCE AND FOR ALL!!!!!!!!!

    BY WHOM THOUGH?

    OBVIOUS BY:

    JESUS, “THE WORD” IT HAS TO BE, SINCE ALL IN HIM, ALL BY HIM, AND ALL FOR HIM!

    GOT IT NICK?

    WOULD YOU ACCEPT THE TRUTH REGARDING HOW SATANA WOULD BE CRUSHED???

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    May 12, 2015 at 7:28 pm#797236
    kerwin
    Participant

    Carmel,

    John 6:68 And he said: Therefore did I say to you, that no man can come to me, unless it be given him by my Father.

    Those that hunger and thirst to be righteous as God is righteous go to the human Jesus Christ.

    May 12, 2015 at 8:33 pm#797238
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    A fine fantasy.

    You weave a tale with strands of scripture.

    All in support of your own ideas.

    May 13, 2015 at 3:26 am#797251
    carmel
    Participant

     

    A fine fantasy.

    You weave a tale with strands of scripture.

    All in support of your own ideas.

    Nick,

    Am I that good really?

    Why don’t you be specific, and comment about it,supported by scriptures to proof that you are right?

    UNLESS YOU DO SO, MINE STANDS!

    Please and love in Jesus

    Charles

    May 13, 2015 at 3:31 am#797252
    carmel
    Participant

     

    John 6:68 And he said: Therefore did I say to you, that no man can come to me, unless it be given him by my Father.
    Those that hunger and thirst to be righteous as God is righteous go to the human Jesus Christ.

    Kerwin,

    YOU LEFT YOUR MESSAGE OUT!

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    May 13, 2015 at 4:01 am#797257
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    You will always believe in your own ideas.

    but self belief is not faith.

    May 17, 2015 at 7:59 am#797598
    carmel
    Participant

     

    Jesus changed or changes, God does not.

    t8,

    EXPLAIN HEREUNDER:

    1 Hebrews 12 And as a vesture shalt thou CHANGED THEM, and they shall be CHANGED:

    BUT YOU ARE THE SELFSAME, and thy years shall not fail.

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    May 17, 2015 at 8:09 am#797600
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    The Word was with God and was God.

    God is Spirit as is the Word of God.

    The eternal Spirit has no end

    May 17, 2015 at 9:41 am#797601
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,

    Gal4.5-6

    To redeem them that were under the law that we might receive the adoption of sons.

    And because ye are sons God hath sent for the SPIRIT OF HIS SON into your hearts, crying abba, Father.

     

    Rom 8′.15

    For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but you have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry Abba Father

     

     

    The Father sends the SPIRIT OF CHRIST

     

    Rom8.9

    …Now if any man have not the SPIRIT OF CHRIST He is none of his.

     

     

    May 17, 2015 at 11:23 am#797603
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,

    So there is no trinity.

     

    God is Spirit.

    Now the Lord is the Spirit.

     

    We can fellowship with the Father and the Son in the one Spirit.

    May 18, 2015 at 7:28 am#797717
    carmel
    Participant

     

    Gal 4.5-6 To redeem them that were under the law that we might receive the adoption of sons. And because ye are sons God hath sent for the SPIRIT OF HIS SON into your hearts, crying abba, Father.

    Rom 8′.15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but you have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry Abba Father

    The Father sends the SPIRIT OF CHRIST

    Rom8.9 …Now if any man have not the SPIRIT OF CHRIST He is none of his.

    Nick,

    First and foremost, THANKS FOR THE SCRIPTURES YOU POSTED!

    I can perceive that you are heading into a conclusion that you yourself would declare the truth but

    I’M AFRAID IT WOULD BE UNCOMFORTABLE TO DO SO!

    From the above scriptures, Gal.4 :5:6 is sufficient:

    Straight to the point:

    WHERE IS YOUR UNDERSTANDING REGARDING THE ABOVE SCRIPTURES???

    JUST POSTING SCRIPTURES WITHOUT ITS DEFINITION, IT’S USELESS,

    SO PLEASE SPECIFICALLY DESCRIBE THIS SO CALLED

    SPIRIT OF THE SON

    SINCE THE SON, HAD

    A FLESH BODY,     “THE WORD” THE SON OF MAN, JESUS AS A SPIRIT!

    A SOUL ,             THE HOLY SPIRIT , THE SON OF GOD and

    A SPIRIT,            OF GOD THE FATHER!

    NOW READING THOSE SCRIPTURES WE WOULD BE AWARE THAT THERE’S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN

    THE SPIRIT OF THE SON, OR SENDING HIS SON, AND

    THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST

    FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT READING GALATIANS 1:15 HEREUNDER, IT IS EVIDENTLY CLEAR THAT

    THE SPIRIT OF THE SON, “THE WORD” JESUS AS A SPIRIT, WAS IN PAUL FROM HIS CONCEPTION!

    THEN ON HIS CONVERSION, HE WAS BAPTISED IN JESUS’ BAPTISM, THEREFORE HE RECEIVED THE HOLY SPIRIT SPIRIT IN CHRIST, READ:

    GALATIANS 1:15

    But when it pleased him,          DEFINITELY JESUS CHRIST

    who separated me from my mother’s womb, and called me by his grace,

    AND ONLY JESUS CHRIST SUPPLY GRACES

    16 To reveal his Son in me, ……. OK? CLEAR!!!!!

    SO JESUS CHRIST, GOD IN THE GLORY OF CHRIST, REVEALED TO PAUL THAT HIS SON JESUS AS A SPIRIT , NOT YET BORN,   “THE WORD” WAS IN HIM!

    Also, there are the TERM SONS, since THE WORD CHILDREN IS not USED,and

    THE TERM FATHER!

    CONSIDER THE PURE FACT THAT GOD ALMIGHTY IS A SPIRIT, AND HAS NO SEX,

    SO HOW ON EARTH GOD ALMIGHTY COULD EVER BE

    OUR FATHER ?

    SINCE HUMANS

    UNLESS NOT WITHIN THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST!

    ARE THE ORIGIN OF A FILTHY SEXUAL ACT SINCE ADAM’S SIN!

     

    SO I WILL WAIT TILL YOU DEFINE AT LEAST:

    THE SPIRIT OF THE SON

     

    WHICH PAUL, AND ALL THE HUMAN RACE ALWAYS HAD:

    SLAIN FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD!REV.13:8

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    May 18, 2015 at 9:23 am#797723
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    The Spirit of the Son is the Spirit of Christ, the Word.

     

    God is not a servant to Himself.

    The Spirit of the Son is the servant Spirit.

    The Spirit that worships God as rom 8.15-27 shows

    May 19, 2015 at 12:21 pm#797863
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Hi t8,
    So do you think Jesus was with God in the beginning
    and was God?

    Well I believe that he EXISTED in the FORM of God, and emptied himself and came here. He eventually became full again I suppose upon his baptism and resurrection into the glory he had with the Father before the Cosmos.

    So the answer is yes or no depending on what you mean exactly. No he was not called Jesus or Yeshua. But he existed with God before the Cosmos and he is back at the right hand of the majesty on high.

    If you do not believe his origins are from ancient times, then there quite a number of scriptures that need to be dealt with or even disposed of.

    Did God create a man on the spot to become the son of God, the highest in all creation or did he send his son into the world as a baby who was empty of all he possessed before, but took it back up when he was raised into glory.

    May 19, 2015 at 12:29 pm#797864
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    The Word was with God and was God.

    The Word existed in the form of God.

     

    The Word’s origins are of ancient times.

    The Word became flesh and dwelt among us.

     

    the flesh contributed nothing.

    May 20, 2015 at 6:52 pm#798030
    carmel
    Participant

    supporting the trinity doctrine

    The Spirit of the Son is the Spirit of Christ, the Word.

    Nick,

    Let’s see what you’re saying:

    “THE WORD” is the spirit of Christ!
    “THE WORD” is the spirit of the son!
    THE SPIRIT OF THE SON is the spirit of Christ!

    Now let’s read:

    John1:1 In the beginning was THE WORD, and THE WORD was with God, and THE WORD was God!

    Now your understanding:

    In the beginning was the spirit of CHRIST, and the spirit of CHRIST was with God, and the spirit of CHRIST was God!

    IN the beginning was the spirit of the SON, and the spirit of the SON was with God, and the spirit of the SON was God!

    It doesn’t make sense Nick, does it?

    So UNLESS IT IS CLARIFIED,

    IT IS A COMPLETE CONFUSION!

    They are not scripturally established differently for nothing, NO?

    Also they never were established IN ONE SAME INSTANT FOR SURE,

    ALTHOUGH THEIR ORIGIN ARE ETERNAL WITH THE DEITY THEREFORE SAME DIVINE SOURCE!

    BUT THROUGH SCRIPTURES, WE ARE IN A POSITION TO DETERMINE THEIR ORDER OF ESTABLISHMENT!

    Are you ready to reveal this course of action from the deity which definitely was a sort of a camouflage process???

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    May 20, 2015 at 8:50 pm#798034
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    In scriptural terms before the Word PROCEEDED FROM God the WORD was God.

    May 21, 2015 at 1:07 pm#798106
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    the flesh contributed nothing.

    You keep saying that, and while it is true, it seems you are saying it to imply that Jesus was merely flesh, a shell.

    Is this correct?

    May 21, 2015 at 1:19 pm#798111
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi T8,

    As I have said before he was like us in every way except sin.

    We, and he, are made in the image of God-Soul and spirit-and we are in the flesh of earth.

     

    Our design, and his, is as vessels for the Spirit of God. 2 tim 2 , 2 cor5.

     

    Are you just flesh?

     

    Do you recognise when the Spirit of God worked and spoke through him, and through the apostles and prophets.

    Do you recognise the few times when the man Jesus spoke for himself?

    Do men deserve glory for the work God does?

     

    Probably not though God has decided to give glory to all His faithful servants.

    May 21, 2015 at 1:26 pm#798116
    AndrewAD
    Participant

    the flesh only contributed the human costume

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