Supporting the Trinity Doctrine? – The Trinity Doctrine

Part 01 – The Trinity Doctrine
Part 02 – Who is the Most High God?
Part 03 – Who and what is Jesus?
Part 04 – The true meaning of ‘God’
Part 05 – Supporting the Trinity
Part 06 – Pre-Nicene writings
Part 07 – Development of the Trinity
Part 08 – Why challenge the Trinity
Part 09 – Trinity Doctrine conclusion
Part 10 – An Apostasy
Part 11 – 100 indisputable proof verses
Part 12 – What is your confession?
Part 13 – The Roman Catholic faith
Part 14 – Trinity Doctrine resources

This page is dedicated to the scriptures that people use when supporting the Trinity Doctrine. We look at why they are used to support this doctrine and test their hypothesis to see if they stand the test of scrutiny.

Each scripture is listed with a link to its own page showing biblical evidence as to why these are not supporting the Trinity Doctrine.


Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity


Is Jesus called God in 1 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)?

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity


Did Thomas call Jesus, his God in John 20:28 (KJV)?

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity


Because YHWH calls himself “I am”  in Exodus 3:13-14, did Jesus claim to be Yahweh when he said “I am” in John 18:5-6?

5 “Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied. “I am he,” Jesus said. (And Judas the traitor was standing there with them.)
6 When Jesus said, “I am he,” they drew back and fell to the ground.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity


1 John 5:7 lists the three so-called persons of the Trinity and says they are one. Does this prove the Trinity?

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity


Does Isaiah 9:6 prove the Trinity because it calls Jesus the mighty God?

For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”‘

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity


Does the baptismal formula in Matthew 28:19 prove the Trinity Doctrine?
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →


John 1:1 says the Word was God. Does that mean that Jesus is God because he is the Word?

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity


John 1:18 calls Jesus ‘the begotten God”. Does this prove that Jesus is God and provide support for the Trinity Doctrine?

“No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten God, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.”

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity


Is Jesus called the Alpha and Omega in Revelation 1:8, thus making him God?

8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity


Colossians 2:9-10 says that Christ is the fullness of the Deity. Does this make Jesus God?

9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,
10 and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity


Philippians 2:6 says he existed in the form of God. Is this scriptural proof that Jesus is God?
who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →


Does Mark 12:36 support the Trinity Doctrine because of the usage of ‘Lord’?

David himself, speaking by the Holy Spirit, declared: “`The Lord said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet.”

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →


Did Jesus claim to be God in John 10:33 according to an accusation made by some Jews?

“We are not stoning you for any of these,” replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →



Was Jesus inferring he was God in John 5:18-19 when the Jews said he was making himself equal with God ?

18 For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
19 Jesus gave them this answer: “I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →


Does the word “us” in Genesis 1:26 mean that God consists of plural persons as the Trinity Doctrine teaches?

Then God said, ‘Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →


Did Jesus infer that he was God in John 10:30 when he said he was one with the Father?

“I and the Father are one”.

Read why this verses does not teach the Trinity →


Hebrews 1:6 states that Jesus is worshipped by angels. Does that make him God?

And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.”

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →


Does Hebrews 1:8 state that God called Jesus, God?

But concerning the Son, “Your throne O God is forever and ever.”

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →


Does Isaiah 48:11 support of the Trinity Doctrine because God does not give his glory to another?

For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →


Does Titus 3:4-6 support the Trinity Doctrine because God is called our saviour?

4 But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared,
5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,
6 whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior,

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →


Does Revelation 1:8 & Revelation 1:17-18 prove that God is a Trinity because of the term First and Last?

Revelation 1:8
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.
&
Revelation 1:17-18
And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last.
“I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen.

Read why these verses do not teach the Trinity →


Does Deuteronomy 6:4 and Genesis 2:24 prove that God is a Trinity because ‘one’ means ‘unity’?

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.
&
Genesis 2:24
For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.

Read why these verses do not teach the Trinity →


Does Isaiah 45:23 & Philippians 2:10-11 read together prove that Jesus is God because we will bow to God?

Isaiah 45:23
By myself I have sworn,  my mouth has uttered in all integrity  a word that will not be revoked:
Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear.
&
Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Read why these verses do not teach the Trinity →


Does 1 Peter 2:6-8 & Isaiah 8:12-15 read together prove that Jesus is God because he is the stumbling stone?

1 Peter 2: 6-8
6 For in Scripture it says: “See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame.”
7 Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe, The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone,”
8 and,“A stone that causes people to stumble and a rock that makes them fall.”

&
Isaiah 8:12-15
11 For Jehovah spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me not to walk in the way of this people, saying,
12 Say ye not, A conspiracy, concerning all whereof this people shall say, A conspiracy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be in dread thereof .
13 Jehovah of hosts, him shall ye sanctify; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.
14 And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
15 And many shall stumble thereon, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken.

Read why these verses do not teach the Trinity →


Discussion

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  • #794123
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    You can hold many things up in front of a blind man – but what’s the point..?

    Yes it is true that I cannot read about the Trinity in the Bible. So either I am blind, or it is not there.

    You say it is there, so I must be blind.

    Show me where the Trinity is written so I can believe. If you cannot, then we can both assume it is not there, thus blindness is not the explanation.

    #794170
    carmel
    Participant

     

    Sex is filthy?

    “Honour the marriage bed”

    Nick,

    SINCE WITH EVERY RESPECT,YOUR BLINDNESS IS NOT RELATED TO FILTHY STUFF, READ AGAIN WHAT I POSTED:

     

    SIMPLY THERE WAS NO ROOM FOR SUCH AN ENTIRE FILTHY PROCESS!

    THE FACT THAT HE PURPOSELY CAME TO PURIFY THE ENTIRE EARTH PROCESS, NOT JUST THE REPRODUCTION!

    SO,IF YOU DIDN’T SEE WHAT WAS AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL,and CLEAR IN BLACK ON WHITE!

    HOW ON EARTH WOULD YOU SEE THE TRUTH????????

    WHICH IS HIDDEN IN THE USELESS CORRUPTED EARTHLY PROCESS ITSELF!

    LIGHT SHINES THROUGH DARKNESS, AND DARKNESS COMPREHENDED NOT!

    SO THAT WHO IS FILTHY SEES HIS STATE, AND WHO IS CLEAN ALSO SEE HIS STATE!

     

    THE CHEMIST SELLS ONLY WHAT HE HAS IN STOCK NO???

     

    THE FACT THAT JESUS JUSTIFIED BOTH GOOD AND EVIL IN HIS SACRIFICED IMMACULATE HEAVENLY DIVINE BODY!

    Proverbs 15:14

    The heart of HIM that has understanding seeks KNOWLEDGE: but the MOUTH of fools feeds on FOOLISHNESS.

    John 3:20 For every ONE that doth evil HATETH the light, and cometh NOT to the LIGHT, that his WORKS may not be REPROVED. 21But he that doth TRUTH, cometh to the LIGHT, that his WORKS may be made MANIFEST, because they are DONE IN GOD.

    “Honour the marriage bed”

     

    I WONDER WHO DOES IN THE TRUTH ???

    THE FACT THAT WE SOON WOULD BE HAVING MORE PARENTLESS CHILDREN THROUGH SCIENCE!

    SO WHAT IS SEX BEING USED FOR!

     

    JUST FOR THE LUST OF THE FILTHY FLESH!!!!

     

     

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #794175
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    Justified good and evil?

    Jesus had a normal human body-the heavenly body came after he died.

     

    Your shouting makes nothing more true but it does hide your insecurity?

     

    #794179
    carmel
    Participant

     

    Conception is when a new human being begins life. .

    Kerwin,

    The above is only related to:
    TANGIBLE CONCEPTIONS!

    BUT WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT A TANGIBLE PROCESS, BUT ABOUT

    A SPIRITUAL PROCESS! OK???? THROUGHOUT:

    INCLUDING THE WOMAN HERSELF! AS A BEING!

    It is when God makes human beings from the dust of the ground.

    AGAIN EARTHLY MATTERS, LIKE THE FIRST ADAM WAS IN THE FIRST PLACE!

    Jesus could not exist before he starts to exist.

    This is where you simply do not respect

    GOD IN THE TRUTH, AND IN HIS SPIRIT,

    AND SIMPLY CONSIDER HIM LIKE ALL HUMANS, WHOM HE CREATED FROM

    THE DUST BY JESUS’SPIRIT “THE WORD”!

    JESUS AS A SPIRIT EXISTED, HE WAS ETERNALLY ONE WITH THE FATHER!

    SO AGAIN

    THE SPIRIT GIVES LIFE,

    AND IN THIS CASE NOT THE NAME THAT COUNTS BUT THE SPIRIT!

    TARZAN AS A NAME EXISTED BUT AS AN ACTUAL PERSON HE IS A FICTION, NEVER EXISTED!

    WHEN THE ANGEL GABRIEL CALLED HIS NAME,

    HE CALLED THE ACTUAL SPIRIT WHO WAS WITHIN GABRIEL HIMSELF, MARY’S SOUL,ITSELF AND IN THE ENTIRE CREATION!

    AND THAT Kerwin, although some could see it through scriptures, MOST DO NOT AT ALL!!!!

    Proverbs 15:14

    The heart of HIM that has understanding seeks KNOWLEDGE: but the MOUTH of FOOLS feeds on FOOLISHNESS.

    Kerwin, You just declared that:

    GOD IS NOT CAPABLE TO SEND HIS SON ON EARTH UNLESS HE MAKE USE ENTIRELY OF THE HUMAN EARTHLY PROCESS! which is pure NONSENSE!

    READ NOW FOR THE SAKE OF TRUTH AND RESPECT ALMIGHTY GOD IN THE TRUTH AND IN HIS SPIRIT!  ALSO:

    GENERALLY SPEAKING, COULD WE APPLY GOD’S WORDS HEREUNDER, ACCORDING TO WORLDLY TERMS, OR TO GODLY TERMS, SINCE HE IS TALKING IN,BY, AND FOR HIS UNFATHOMABLE SPIRIT????

    Isaiah 66:7 Before SHE was in labour, SHE brought forth; COUNT THEM KERWIN: FIRST TRUTH!!! COULD THIS OCCUR IN OUR TANGIBLE SYSTEM?????

    before HER time came to be delivered, SHE brought forth a MAN CHILD. SECOND TRUTH !!! NOTICE: MAN, a reference to the SPIRIT, since it is regarding the IMAGE OF GOD, in the same way Adam was created, spiritual through God’s breath!

    8 WHO HATH HEARD SUCH A THING ? and WHO HATH SEEN THE LIKE TO THIS? THE THIRD : ARE WE IN A POSITION TO DISCERN WHAT GOD IS ACTUALLY STATING, UNLESS HIS SPIRIT GIVES US LIGHT?

    shall the earth bring forth in one day? SHE NEVER TOOK EVEN NINE MONTHS IN THE TRUTH!!! OBVIOUS THE SPIRITUAL PROCESS!!! NO?

    or shall a nation be brought forth at once, DO YOU DISCERN THIS???

    because SION hath been in labour, and HATH brought FORTH HER CHILDREN ? WOW!!!!AND THIS ONE?? WHAT SION, AND CHILDREN STAND FOR????

    9Shall not I that make others to bring forth children,

    myself bring forth, saith the Lord? THIS IS REALLY SOMETHING TO GRASP: SINCE HE HIMSELF BRINGS FORTH?

    shall I, that give generation to others, be barren, EVEN EMPHASIZED: COULD GOD BE BARREN??? IN THE FIGURE OF MARY??? IN HER SOUL, “THE WORD” JESUS’SPIRIT!

    saith the LORD YOUR GOD? CONFIRMED OK? NOTICE YOUR GOD, YOUR HUMAN STATE GOD, NO, YOU WON’T ACCEPT THIS!! Jeremiah 32:27 Behold I am the Lord the God of all flesh: shall any thing be hard for me?

    10Rejoice with Jerusalem, JESUS’ IMMACULATE DIVINE BODY THROUGH MARY’S,

    and be glad with HER, all you that love HER: rejoice for joy with HER , all you that mourn for HER.

    ” THE WORD” MARY’S SOUL!

    11That you may suck, and be filled with the breasts of her consolations: SPIRITUAL CONCEPTION AND BIRTH

    that you may milk out, and flow with delights, from the abundance of HER GLORY. WOW ” THE WORD” GLORIFIED IN MARY’S SOUL!!!

    Luke 1:46 And Mary said: My soul doth MAGNIFY the LORD. ARE YOU READY TO REFLECT ABOUT THE WORD MAGNIFY SINCE THE LORD WAS MAGNIFIED THROUGH MARY’S SOUL?

    IS THIS AN ORDINARY WOMAN, IS THIS AN ORDINARY CONCEPTION IS THIS AN ORDINARY BIRTH IN THE TRUTH???? KERWIN!!!

    MORE:

    12For thus saith the Lord: Behold I will bring upon HER as it were a RIVEWR OF PEACE,

    and as an overflowing torrent the GLORY OF THE GENTILES, which you shall suck; you shall be carried at the breasts, end upon thee knees they shall caress you. THIS IS FOR PERSONS LIKE YOU AND ME!!

    13As one whom the mother caresseth, so will I comfort you, and you shall be comforted in
    Jerusalem. JESUS’ BODY and eventually ours! THE NEW JERUSALEM!

    14You shall see and your heart shall rejoice, and your bones SPIRITS
    shall FLOURISH like an herb, and the hand of the Lord shall be known to his servants, and he shall be angry with his enemies.

    WATCH OUT KERWIN!!!!

     

    all the above has nothing to do with regards to

    BIRTHS OUT OF DUST

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #794183
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    Methinks you speculate too much.

    #794351
    carmel
    Participant

     

    Yes it is true that I cannot read about the Trinity in the Bible. So either I am blind, or it is not there.

    t8,

    JESUS CHRIST, as a name , is not mentioned in the OT.BUT THE ENTIRE OT., IS A REFERENCE TO JESUS CHRIST.

    SO IT IS THE SAME THING WITH THE TRINITY!

     

    ALSO, BELIEVE IT OR NOT THERE’S ALSO A TRINITY RELATED TO SATAN!

    SINCE WE ARE LIVING IN A WORLD BETWEEN GOOD AND EVIL AND ON EARTH BOTH SATAN AND GOD ARE EQUAL ON EARTH!NOTWITHSTANDING THE FACT THAT JESUS THROUGH HIS DEATH, BECAME THE SOLE RULER OF THE ENTIRE CREATION!
    CONFIRMED BY JESUS HIMSELF!

    NOW REFLECT ON THIS SCRIPTURE HEREUNDER WHICH IS A CLEAR REFERENCE OF SATAN’S TRINITY!

    Because he hath forsaken me, and hath adored

    Astarthe THE ONLY GODDESS OF FERTILITY, BEAUTY, WAR, AND LOVE , the goddess of the Sidonians, and

    Chamos the god of Moab, and

    Moloch the god of the children of Ammon: THE ONLY KING, NAMED BAAL!

    and hath not walked in my ways, to do justice before me, and to keep my precepts, and judgments as did David his father

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #794366
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    @carmel

    Your words derive from the vain imaginations of philosophers and false teachers, perhaps even the doctrine of demons.

    Believing the truth is of utmost importance and to have true faith means you trust in something. So what is that thing we trust in. It is this.

    That the one true God sent his son into the world to save men. That all would believe upon him, and believe that God made him both Lord and Messiah, and believe also that he is not just a prophet like John, but is the actual son of God. He came as a man, died for our sins, rose from the dead, was taken up into the glory at God’s right hand side, the same glory he had the Father before the world began. He now mediates for us before God. We are invited to baptized in his name and receive the Spirit of God.

    All this other crap about him being God is stupid. It makes the above true message irrelevant. It says that Jesus is God, God came in the flesh, God died, God came alive again, and we should all believe that Jesus is God forever more. It is a false message that detracts from Jesus true identity which is the foundation of the Church, and it also insults God who is above all.

    I refuse your leaven for good reason.

    #794392
    DavidL
    Participant

    Yes it is true that I cannot read about the Trinity in the Bible. So either I am blind, or it is not there.

    You say it is there, so I must be blind.

    Show me where the Trinity is written so I can believe.

     

    True to form – just like the vain taunt of the Pharisees…”show us and we will believe”…

     

    trouble is your logical predisposition against the trinity has already convinced you it isn’t true..

    you have completely indoctrinated yourself with your own anti-trinity teachings

    Now every verse is processed into the context of your own belief

    your reasoning has become your spiritual guide

    The thick glasses you saw on others

    now perfectly fits…

    over your own..

    perception.

    #794399
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    So you would insist we believe what is NOT WRITTEN in the Wisdom of God.

    Then whom do you serve?

    #794490
    carmel
    Participant

     

    Your words derive from the vain imaginations of philosophers and false teachers, perhaps even the doctrine of demons.Your words derive from the vain imaginations of philosophers and false teachers, perhaps even the doctrine of demons.

    t8,

    Hereunder is your statement:

    Yes it is true that I cannot read about the Trinity in the Bible. So either I am blind, or it is not there.

     

    Now, hereunder is my statement related to your statement!

     

    SO READ IT AGAIN. RESPECT THE PROCEDURE AND POST YOUR COMMENT RELATED TO MY STATEMENT!

    JESUS CHRIST, as a name , is not mentioned in the OT.BUT THE ENTIRE OT., IS A REFERENCE TO JESUS CHRIST.

    SO IT IS THE SAME THING WITH THE TRINITY!

     

     

    ALSO, UNLESS YOU PIN POINT WHERE IN MY PREACHING YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH, AND CONTRADICT ME IN RELATION TO IT TO JUSTIFY THAT YOUR BELIEF IS TRUTH, I WON’T BE ABLE TO POST  BACK AND DO LIKEWISE TO JUSTIFY  THAT MY BELIEF IS THE TRUTH!

    WITH YOUR  ABOVE  STATEMENT YOU CONFIRMED THAT YOU HAVE NO OTHER WAY OUT EXCEPT DESTRUCTION, ANTAGONISM AND DEFINITELY NOT LOVE IN JESUS TERMS !

    SO BE CONSTRUCTIVE FOR THE SAKE OF TRUTH IN JESUS TERMS!

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #794492
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    Your beliefs are your beliefs.

    Not truth.

    #794494
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Hi Carmel

    JESUS CHRIST, as a name , is not mentioned in the OT.BUT THE ENTIRE OT., IS A REFERENCE TO JESUS CHRIST.

    SO IT IS THE SAME THING WITH THE TRINITY!

    That would be like saying it is also the same thing with Christmas….that is a logical fallacy

    #794511
    DavidL
    Participant

    t8 this is what you said to carmel..

    All this other crap about him being God is stupid

    this is what you said to me…

    DavidL, are you aware that the measure you judge is the same that you will be judged by.

    Two standards..?

     

     

    #794513
    DavidL
    Participant

    t8

    JESUS CHRIST, as a name , is not mentioned in the OT.BUT THE ENTIRE OT., IS A REFERENCE TO JESUS CHRIST.

    SO IT IS THE SAME THING WITH THE TRINITY!

    carmel has a very valid point that that you obviously don’t like simply because it’s not agreeable with your anti-trinity propaganda…

    You can’t deny the trinity simply because it isn’t mentioned by name in Scripture – otherwise you could just as foolishly deny the rapture on similar grounds…

     

    #794527
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    HI DavidL

    t8

    JESUS CHRIST, as a name , is not mentioned in the OT.BUT THE ENTIRE OT., IS A REFERENCE TO JESUS CHRIST.

    SO IT IS THE SAME THING WITH THE TRINITY!

    carmel has a very valid point that that you obviously don’t like simply because it’s not agreeable with your anti-trinity propaganda…

    You can’t deny the trinity simply because it isn’t mentioned by name in Scripture – otherwise you could just as foolishly deny the rapture on similar grounds…

    Foolishly or wisely, do you believe in the rapture?

    #794556
    DavidL
    Participant

    yes – I also believe in the tribulation..

    #794560
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    @DavicL

    yes – I also believe in the tribulation..

    What and when is this tribulation and rapture are these in the scriptures

    #794561
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Mark 13:19
    For those days shall be tribulation, such as there hath not been the like from the beginning of the creation which God created until now, and never shall be.

    Revelation 2:10
    Fear not the things which thou art about to suffer: behold, the devil is about to cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days. Be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee the crown of life.

    Can you tell me more?

    #794570
    DavidL
    Participant

    personally I think the church goes through the tribulation (to purify her)

    which I believe starts when the Antichrist is revealed..

    who may come to power on the back of world financial crash

    which seems imminent..

    Jesus referred to it as the time of Jacob’s trouble

    I think there will be another holocaust

    where most of the world will turn in hatred against Israel

    and any willing to support her..(Christians)

    something like that..

    but you’ve read the Scriptures haven’t you…?

     

    #795168
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    SO READ IT AGAIN. RESPECT THE PROCEDURE AND POST YOUR COMMENT RELATED TO MY STATEMENT!

    JESUS CHRIST, as a name , is not mentioned in the OT.BUT THE ENTIRE OT., IS A REFERENCE TO JESUS CHRIST.

    SO IT IS THE SAME THING WITH THE TRINITY!

    It is not the same. While there was an expectation of the messiah, there was never such an expectation from the Old Testament for the Trinity. In fact quite the opposite and the reason why the Jews believe in one God and not a Triune God. Where they erred is not in their idea of one God, but their rejection of his sent messiah.

    If you did some digging around, you would find that the Trinity Doctrine developed centuries later. It was even preceded by the Binity with the third so-called member being added in some 60 or 70 years after that. It is historically recorded.

    While there is a progression between the old and the new, the Trinity has nothing at all to do with that and has more in common with pagan ideas and politics accompanied by the worse fruit you can imagine. It got to the point where you were forced to believe this false doctrine or suffer the flame, stake, torture, or persecution. Nothing has really changed except you cannot legally murder us anymore, only attack our precious beliefs of the one true God.

    All the foundational doctrines are in the books of the Bible. We are taught clearly the identity of Jesus Christ as the Lord, the son of God, and the messiah. We are also taught about the foundation of the Church. The Trinity is nout to do with any of it.

    It is a tradition of man and perhaps even worse than that.

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