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Supporting the Trinity Doctrine? – The Trinity Doctrine

Part 01 – The Trinity Doctrine
Part 02 – Who is the Most High God?
Part 03 – Who and what is Jesus?
Part 04 – The true meaning of ‘God’
Part 05 – Supporting the Trinity
Part 06 – Pre-Nicene writings
Part 07 – Development of the Trinity
Part 08 – Why challenge the Trinity
Part 09 – Trinity Doctrine conclusion
Part 10 – An Apostasy
Part 11 – 100 indisputable proof verses
Part 12 – What is your confession?
Part 13 – The Roman Catholic faith
Part 14 – Trinity Doctrine resources

This page is dedicated to the scriptures that people use when supporting the Trinity Doctrine. We look at why they are used to support this doctrine and test their hypothesis to see if they stand the test of scrutiny.

Each scripture is listed with a link to its own page showing biblical evidence as to why these are not supporting the Trinity Doctrine.

Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

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Is Jesus called God in 1 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)?

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

Did Thomas call Jesus, his God in John 20:28 (KJV)?

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

Because YHWH calls himself “I am”  in Exodus 3:13-14, did Jesus claim to be Yahweh when he said “I am” in John 18:5-6?

5 “Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied. “I am he,” Jesus said. (And Judas the traitor was standing there with them.)
6 When Jesus said, “I am he,” they drew back and fell to the ground.

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1 John 5:7 lists the three so-called persons of the Trinity and says they are one. Does this prove the Trinity?

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

Does Isaiah 9:6 prove the Trinity because it calls Jesus the mighty God?

For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”‘

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

Does the baptismal formula in Matthew 28:19 prove the Trinity Doctrine?
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

John 1:1 says the Word was God. Does that mean that Jesus is God because he is the Word?

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

John 1:18 calls Jesus ‘the begotten God”. Does this prove that Jesus is God and provide support for the Trinity Doctrine?

“No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten God, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.”

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

Is Jesus called the Alpha and Omega in Revelation 1:8, thus making him God?

8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

Colossians 2:9-10 says that Christ is the fullness of the Deity. Does this make Jesus God?

9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,
10 and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority.

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Philippians 2:6 says he existed in the form of God. Is this scriptural proof that Jesus is God?
who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,.

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Does Mark 12:36 support the Trinity Doctrine because of the usage of ‘Lord’?

David himself, speaking by the Holy Spirit, declared: “`The Lord said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet.”

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Did Jesus claim to be God in John 10:33 according to an accusation made by some Jews?

“We are not stoning you for any of these,” replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

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Was Jesus inferring he was God in John 5:18-19 when the Jews said he was making himself equal with God ?

18 For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
19 Jesus gave them this answer: “I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.

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Does the word “us” in Genesis 1:26 mean that God consists of plural persons as the Trinity Doctrine teaches?

Then God said, ‘Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

Did Jesus infer that he was God in John 10:30 when he said he was one with the Father?

“I and the Father are one”.

Read why this verses does not teach the Trinity →

Hebrews 1:6 states that Jesus is worshipped by angels. Does that make him God?

And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.”

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

Does Hebrews 1:8 state that God called Jesus, God?

But concerning the Son, “Your throne O God is forever and ever.”

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Does Isaiah 48:11 support of the Trinity Doctrine because God does not give his glory to another?

For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

Does Titus 3:4-6 support the Trinity Doctrine because God is called our saviour?

4 But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared,
5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,
6 whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior,

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Does Revelation 1:8 & Revelation 1:17-18 prove that God is a Trinity because of the term First and Last?

Revelation 1:8
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.
&
Revelation 1:17-18
And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last.
“I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen.

Read why these verses do not teach the Trinity →

Does Deuteronomy 6:4 and Genesis 2:24 prove that God is a Trinity because ‘one’ means ‘unity’?

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.
&
Genesis 2:24
For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.

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Does Isaiah 45:23 & Philippians 2:10-11 read together prove that Jesus is God because we will bow to God?

Isaiah 45:23
By myself I have sworn,  my mouth has uttered in all integrity  a word that will not be revoked:
Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear.
&
Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Read why these verses do not teach the Trinity →

Does 1 Peter 2:6-8 & Isaiah 8:12-15 read together prove that Jesus is God because he is the stumbling stone?

1 Peter 2: 6-8
6 For in Scripture it says: “See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame.”
7 Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe, The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone,”
8 and,“A stone that causes people to stumble and a rock that makes them fall.”
&
Isaiah 8:12-15
11 For Jehovah spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me not to walk in the way of this people, saying,
12 Say ye not, A conspiracy, concerning all whereof this people shall say, A conspiracy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be in dread thereof .
13 Jehovah of hosts, him shall ye sanctify; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.
14 And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
15 And many shall stumble thereon, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken.

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  • April 10, 2015 at 4:41 pm#793500
    DavidL
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    Rather this site teaches folk to trust the scriptures.

     

    If that were true Nick, I can tell you now I’d be the first one to encourage and support it…!!!

    But sadly that’s actually the biggest lie…and the very reason why I’m here in the first place..!!

    What this site promotes is the uninspired cult teachings and reasonings of carnal men who WANT you to think they are correctly representing Scripture – when if fact they have twisted the Word so as to appear outwardly to align with their own predefined and extra-Biblical beliefs… very neatly peddling it’s poisonous anti-trinity bias on the unsuspecting believer, as if it were truth..!!

    Rather than teaching folk to trust the Scriptures, t8 suggests that there are errors in the translation of Scripture that he himself can correctly interpret – and so contrary to your assertion, folk are actually drawn away from the inspired Word to rely instead on the logic of misguided men..

    By foolishly attacking and undermining the Christian faith, this site grossly misrepresents and underestimates the reality of Jesus Christ in His true Deity..

    April 10, 2015 at 4:48 pm#793501
    NickHassan
    Participant

    hi davidl,

    We would be grateful if you showed us one verse that has been twisted.

    Please also show where Jesus or the prophets or the apostles taught that trinity is the foundation of christian faith.

     

    If you cannot show this you will have to think about apologising to us for labelling us as liars.

    April 10, 2015 at 4:56 pm#793503
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    In the words of the author of hebrews here are the foundations of the christian faith .

    heb 6.1

    “..repentance from dead works,

    faith towards God

    instructions about washings

    and

    laying on of hands

    and

    the resurrection of the dead

    and

    eternal judgement”

    Faith in God is included but no trinity worship.

    Do you agree?

     

    April 10, 2015 at 5:05 pm#793504
    DavidL
    Participant

    We would be grateful if you showed us one verse that has been twisted.

    Thank you –

    One verse…?

    how about EVERY verse you touch…!!!

     

    t8 claims the correct translation of John 1:1 is, “..the Word was with God, and the Word was….god.”

    ..changing God’s Word to fit your predetermined belief..

     

    How much time have you got..?

     

    April 10, 2015 at 5:17 pm#793506
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Is this the verse you quote as the Word IS God?

    Twisting?

    April 10, 2015 at 5:18 pm#793507
    kerwin
    Participant

    DavidL

    You follow a cult teaching but choose to blind yourself to it; as is common to cultist. I do not follow the teachings of this site as I do not agree with the teachings of its administrator. I do not think anyone that is currently on here agrees with all things he believes are the truth.

    I tossed out the trinity teaching because it is clearly not taught in Scripture.

    Peter, on the first Pentecost after Jesus to his throne does not preach that Jesus is God but instead says “Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:…” (Acts 2:22)

    You claim Jesus is God and Peter teaches the Jesus is a human being approved of God.

    You can choose to believe any teacher you want but I will believe the words of Peter.

    April 10, 2015 at 5:18 pm#793508
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Do you agree with Heb 6.1?

    April 11, 2015 at 2:09 am#793546
    DavidL
    Participant

    …only someone with a predisposition against the divinity of Christ would EVER want to change John 1:1..

    Think about it..

     

    Those who love truth will honor Christ MOST – NOT try to diminish His glory because of their own pet debates..

     

    How grievous it is to touch the inspired Words of God with our carnal understanding – are you not taking your own name away from the Book of Life…!?

    …while at the same time undermining the faith of others in the Scriptures themselves..

     

    Do you really know what you’re doing..??

     

    April 11, 2015 at 5:25 am#793552
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Hi DavidL

    …only someone with a predisposition against the divinity of Christ would EVER want to change John 1:1..

    Think about it..

    Those who love truth will honor Christ MOST – NOT try to diminish His glory because of their own pet debates..

    How grievous it is to touch the inspired Words of God with our carnal understanding – are you not taking your own name away from the Book of Life…!?

    …while at the same time undermining the faith of others in the Scriptures themselves..

    Do you really know what you’re doing..??

    Mark 8:38 If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of them when he comes in his Father’s glory with the holy angels.”

    DavidL it is you that seems to be ashamed that Christ is a MAN and not God, He came out of a woman’s womb like countless men before him, he hungered, he thirsted, he went to the bathroom, he got dirty, he perspired and cried, why are you ashamed of this great and wonderful Man? Do you think if Jesus was God he would have to say “if anyone is ashamed of me”?

    DavidL if Jesus was “God” he could not have said this:

    Matthew 16:28
    “Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

    Unless you think someone from that time is still alive it never happened or

    Matthew 10:23 When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

    Did this happen? The point is this, would God suppose something will occur and it not occur? Jesus was a Blessed anointed man

    April 11, 2015 at 6:14 am#793553
    kerwin
    Participant

    DavidL,

    It was my reading of other Scriptures that led me to seek a different interpretation for John 1:1 other than the one I had been taught by Trinidadians. The first break I had with them is when I realized Jesus confessed he was not all knowing. He tells you he is not the all knowing God when he states he does not know the day and hour of his return. There are other places that confirm that he did not see himself as the one true God but you choose to brush them off. The second break us when Scripture states that Jesus was conceived in Mary’s womb just as his cousin was conceived in Elizabeth’s womb. Conception is when a new human being begins life. It is when God makes human beings from the dust of the ground. Jesus could not exist before he starts to exist. You see the same the same things I do but you choose not to believe them.

    April 14, 2015 at 10:51 pm#794071
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    If that were true Nick, I can tell you now I’d be the first one to encourage and support it…!!!

    Why do you refuse to believe in the foundation of the Church that Jesus built then? That foundation is the truth that he is the Christ and the son of the living God. Instead you give us another foundation. The Roman Catholic foundation of the Trinity. Peter did not mirror your words when Jesus asked him who he thought he was. No he said that he was the son and the messiah. No mention of being God or part of a Trinity. Such words came during and after the Apostacy.

    If you build on a faulty foundation, then what do you think will happen to your works?

    You refuse to believe that the one True God is the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. Do not tread upon this most precious of truths. Do not be like swine who tread upon this. And do not persecute those who believe who Jesus really is.

    April 15, 2015 at 8:52 am#794092
    carmel
    Participant

    .

    The first break I had with them is when I realized Jesus confessed he was not all knowing. He tells you he is not the all knowing God when he states he does not know the day and hour of his return.

    Kerwin,

    So you are concerned that Jesus said that he doesn’t know when the last day is, and you are not concerned, that when he said so he was ” A SON OF MAN ” and still need to be glorified!

    Now, it didn’t occur to you then, that from that moment he said so, he died, he resurrected, and he glorified together with the Holy Spirit, and both of them integrated and became ONE AS:

    THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST

    Now let’s read scriptures: Hebrews 1:2 In these days hath spoken to us by his Son,

    whom he hath appointed heir of all things,

    Now this should concern you DUE TO THE FACT THAT IT SIMPLY DECLARES THAT JESUS INHERITED ALL GOD’S ATTRIBUTES, AND THESE INCLUDE:

    THE TITLE OF FATHER, AND GOD! Isaiah 9:6

    Now to:

    Mark 13:32 But of that day or hour no man knoweth,

    So although there was no need to say such statement, since it was obvious that no man knew, he said so for the simple reason that Jesus was a SON OF MAN, SO HE REFERRED TO HIMSELF AS MAN AND HUMBLY RESPECTED THE FATHER

    neither the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father.

    Now Jesus here also referred to himself but as THE SON

    but for the sake of your CONCERN WHY DID JESUS SAY:

    THE FATHER not MY FATHER

    If he wanted to make it clear that he didn’t refer also to himself?

    HE SHOULD HAVE SAID SO NO?

    SO IN THE TRUTH HE REFERED TO HIMSELF AS WELL!

    THE FACT THAT HE KNEW THAT HE EVENTUALLY WOULD GLORIFY AND INHERIT BOTH THE TITLES OF:

    FATHER AND GOD!!

    BUT TILL THAT MOMENT IN TIME OCCUR HE HAD TO BE HUMBLE AND FRESPECT THE FATHER!

    SO RIGHT NOW JESUS CHRIST SINCE HE IS , BOTH GOD, AND FATHER, HE KNOWS ALL ABOUT THE LAST DAY! BUT THAT DOES NOT CONCERN US SINCE WE ARE ALL MEN!

    There are other places that confirm that he did not see himself as the one true God but you choose to brush them off.

    IT WOULD BE NICE IF YOU POST WHAT ACCORDING TO YOU JUSTIFY YOUR BELIEF!

    I AM WAITING

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    April 15, 2015 at 9:06 am#794096
    DavidL
    Participant

    Why do you refuse to believe in the foundation of the Church that Jesus built then?

     

    That foundation is “revelation”, t8 – not the teachings of your own brain.

    April 15, 2015 at 9:08 am#794097
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Do you think we are at risk of having our names taken out of the book of life

    for rejecting what man has ADDED TO the bible?

    April 15, 2015 at 9:09 am#794098
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Show us where revelation has taught any TRINITY.

    Or did foolish men find it inferred?

    April 15, 2015 at 9:41 am#794104
    DavidL
    Participant

    Show us where revelation has taught any TRINITY.

    You can hold many things up in front of a blind man – but what’s the point..?

    April 15, 2015 at 9:43 am#794106
    NickHassan
    Participant

    hi Davidl,

    Sorry but I did not know you were blind.

    deaf too?

    April 15, 2015 at 9:44 am#794107
    carmel
    Participant

    .

    The second break us when Scripture states that Jesus was conceived in Mary’s womb just as his cousin was conceived in Elizabeth’s womb.

    Kerwin,

    Again you are not CONCERNED to know the difference between Elizabeth and Mary, since Elizabeth was definitely an ordinary woman, but Mary was not as such as scriptures confirmed!

    The only kind of conception which is earthly is when man and woman have intercourse, like Elizabeth had, God knows how many times, for no use!
    Mary didn’t experience, and was subject to such THING! Since she herself confirmed that she was in no position to see men at all! Even if she wanted, never mind be the mother of the son of God!

    But instead she experienced a unique HEAVENLY conception.

    Something which although she always believed in, as all woman did, but always in mind to be subject to an intercourse, regarding herself in particular, she definitely knew well enough that it had nothing related to an intercourse, BUT ONLY TO GOD! SPIRITUAL! SO WHY SHOULD A WOMAN, ALTHOUGH EARTHLY, REQUIRE ANY  PHYSICAL ELEMENTS LIKE NORMAL WOMEN DO  RELATED TO A PHYSICAL  BIRTH, WHEN MARY’S CHILD IS ENTIRELY  SPIRITUAL !INCLUDING HER WOMB!

    The fact that the angel told her about her cousin, in order to make her understand that CORRUPTED FILTHY men were not to contribute in any way in her most mysterious conception! SIMPLY THERE WAS NO ROOM FOR SUCH AN ENTIRE FILTHY PROCESS! THE FACT THAT HE PURPOSELY CAME TO PURIFY THE ENTIRE EARTH PROCESS, NOT JUST THE REPRODUCTION!

    Now if I ask you to DESCRIBE SUCH CONCEPTION are you ready to assert what kind of experience Mary had?
    DEFINITELY NOT!

    So how on earth would you speak of such GOD’S MYSTERIOUS WORK , WHEN GOD NEVER ACTUALLY NEEDED A WOMAN AT ALL. TO MAKE IT POSSIBLE FOR HIS SON TO ENTER INTO THIS CORRUPTED FILTHY WORLD THROUGHOUT! THE REASON THAT HE SENT HIM!
    SO ONLY TO RESPECT, THE TANGIBLE EARTHLY PROCESS, AND FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING, REGARDING GOD’S WAY AND THINGS,

    IT IS THE SPIRIT THAT GIVES LIFE!

    THE FIRST ADAM WAS OUT OF DUST NO? EARTHLY!

    BUT THE SECOND ADAM WAS OUT OF THE SPIRIT OF GOD, HEAVENLY ! NO?

    THE FACT THAT JESUS BIRTH WAS NOT IN THE PRESENCE OF FILTHY DEAD HUMANS BUT IN THE PRESENCE OF ANIMALS!

    THE FACT THAT JESUS DECLARED THAT ONLY HIM CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN! THE TRUE BREAD FROM HEAVEN!

    AND THAT SATAN, AND HIS WORLDLY PROCEDURES ARE NOT IN ANY WAY NEITHER RELATED NOR REQUIRED  FOR JESUS’ BIRTH, ALTHOUGH ON EARTH!

    Confirmed hereunder:

    John14:30 I will not now speak many things with you. For the prince of this world cometh, and

    in me he hath not any thing.

    HOW ON EARTH, IF JESUS HAD SOMETHING OF EARTH, COULD FIT THE CRITERIA AND BE THE MESSIAH

    SINCE THE WORLD WAS SATAN’S PROPERTY, AND IT WAS TOTALLY IN DEBT TO HIM!

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    April 15, 2015 at 9:46 am#794108
    NickHassan
    Participant

    hi davidl,

    You think your emblem scripture

    “the Father and I are one”

    supports trinity?

    Nonsense.

    2 Jn9

    “Any one who goes too far and does not abide in the TEACHING of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the TEACHING has BOTH the Father and the son”

     

    You go too far

    April 15, 2015 at 9:48 am#794109
    NickHassan
    Participant

    “”Hi C,

    Sex is filthy?

     

    “Honour the marriage bed”

     

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