Supporting the Trinity Doctrine? – The Trinity Doctrine

Part 01 – The Trinity Doctrine
Part 02 – Who is the Most High God?
Part 03 – Who and what is Jesus?
Part 04 – The true meaning of ‘God’
Part 05 – Supporting the Trinity
Part 06 – Pre-Nicene writings
Part 07 – Development of the Trinity
Part 08 – Why challenge the Trinity
Part 09 – Trinity Doctrine conclusion
Part 10 – An Apostasy
Part 11 – 100 indisputable proof verses
Part 12 – What is your confession?
Part 13 – The Roman Catholic faith
Part 14 – Trinity Doctrine resources

This page is dedicated to the scriptures that people use when supporting the Trinity Doctrine. We look at why they are used to support this doctrine and test their hypothesis to see if they stand the test of scrutiny.

Each scripture is listed with a link to its own page showing biblical evidence as to why these are not supporting the Trinity Doctrine.


Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity


Is Jesus called God in 1 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)?

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity


Did Thomas call Jesus, his God in John 20:28 (KJV)?

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity


Because YHWH calls himself “I am”  in Exodus 3:13-14, did Jesus claim to be Yahweh when he said “I am” in John 18:5-6?

5 “Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied. “I am he,” Jesus said. (And Judas the traitor was standing there with them.)
6 When Jesus said, “I am he,” they drew back and fell to the ground.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity


1 John 5:7 lists the three so-called persons of the Trinity and says they are one. Does this prove the Trinity?

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity


Does Isaiah 9:6 prove the Trinity because it calls Jesus the mighty God?

For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”‘

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity


Does the baptismal formula in Matthew 28:19 prove the Trinity Doctrine?
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →


John 1:1 says the Word was God. Does that mean that Jesus is God because he is the Word?

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity


John 1:18 calls Jesus ‘the begotten God”. Does this prove that Jesus is God and provide support for the Trinity Doctrine?

“No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten God, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.”

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity


Is Jesus called the Alpha and Omega in Revelation 1:8, thus making him God?

8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity


Colossians 2:9-10 says that Christ is the fullness of the Deity. Does this make Jesus God?

9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,
10 and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity


Philippians 2:6 says he existed in the form of God. Is this scriptural proof that Jesus is God?
who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →


Does Mark 12:36 support the Trinity Doctrine because of the usage of ‘Lord’?

David himself, speaking by the Holy Spirit, declared: “`The Lord said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet.”

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →


Did Jesus claim to be God in John 10:33 according to an accusation made by some Jews?

“We are not stoning you for any of these,” replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →



Was Jesus inferring he was God in John 5:18-19 when the Jews said he was making himself equal with God ?

18 For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
19 Jesus gave them this answer: “I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →


Does the word “us” in Genesis 1:26 mean that God consists of plural persons as the Trinity Doctrine teaches?

Then God said, ‘Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →


Did Jesus infer that he was God in John 10:30 when he said he was one with the Father?

“I and the Father are one”.

Read why this verses does not teach the Trinity →


Hebrews 1:6 states that Jesus is worshipped by angels. Does that make him God?

And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.”

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →


Does Hebrews 1:8 state that God called Jesus, God?

But concerning the Son, “Your throne O God is forever and ever.”

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →


Does Isaiah 48:11 support of the Trinity Doctrine because God does not give his glory to another?

For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →


Does Titus 3:4-6 support the Trinity Doctrine because God is called our saviour?

4 But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared,
5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,
6 whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior,

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →


Does Revelation 1:8 & Revelation 1:17-18 prove that God is a Trinity because of the term First and Last?

Revelation 1:8
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.
&
Revelation 1:17-18
And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last.
“I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen.

Read why these verses do not teach the Trinity →


Does Deuteronomy 6:4 and Genesis 2:24 prove that God is a Trinity because ‘one’ means ‘unity’?

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.
&
Genesis 2:24
For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.

Read why these verses do not teach the Trinity →


Does Isaiah 45:23 & Philippians 2:10-11 read together prove that Jesus is God because we will bow to God?

Isaiah 45:23
By myself I have sworn,  my mouth has uttered in all integrity  a word that will not be revoked:
Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear.
&
Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Read why these verses do not teach the Trinity →


Does 1 Peter 2:6-8 & Isaiah 8:12-15 read together prove that Jesus is God because he is the stumbling stone?

1 Peter 2: 6-8
6 For in Scripture it says: “See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame.”
7 Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe, The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone,”
8 and,“A stone that causes people to stumble and a rock that makes them fall.”

&
Isaiah 8:12-15
11 For Jehovah spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me not to walk in the way of this people, saying,
12 Say ye not, A conspiracy, concerning all whereof this people shall say, A conspiracy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be in dread thereof .
13 Jehovah of hosts, him shall ye sanctify; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.
14 And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
15 And many shall stumble thereon, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken.

Read why these verses do not teach the Trinity →


Discussion

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  • #791905
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    You certainly believe these human doctrines?

    You are your own light it seems.

     

     

    If then the light in you is is darkness how deep that darkness will be

     

    #791913
    carmel
    Participant

     

    You certainly believe these human doctrines?

    You are your own light it seems.

    Nick,

    IF YOUR DOCTRINE IS NOT OF HUMAN’S

    CONTRADICT MY POST AND PROVE THAT YOUR DOCTRINE IS NOT OF HUMAN’S BUT OF??????????????????????

    ALSO WHY DON’T YOU GIVE ME SOME OF YOUR ABUNDANT LIGHT IN ORDER TO BE LIKE YOU?

    regarding this scripture:

    Romans 1:20

    For the invisible things of him, from the creation of the world, are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made; his eternal power also, and divinity: so that they are inexcusable.

    AREN’T YOU READY AS A CHRISTIAN TO SHARE, GIVE, AND DO THINGS IN THE OPEN FOR THE GLORY OF THE FATHER,

    AND DEFINE YOUR OWN GOD’S DIVINITY CONCEPT IN RESPECT TO THE ABOVE SCRIPTURE?

    THE FACT THAT PAUL MADE CLEAR THAT EVEN GOD’S DIVINITY IS CLEARLY SEEN AND UNDERSTOOD FROM THE CREATION OF THE WORLD??

    COME ON NICK, SHOW US YOUR SUPER LIGHT AND WISDOM!

     

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #791933
    carmel
    Participant

     

    You would not believe Jesus is God because you would be confident that God cannot be tempted by evil while Jesus was tempted as we are. Instead you choose to believe that Jesus cannot be tempted as we are even at the same time you believe he is tempted even as we are.

    Kerwin,

    Jesus said to him: It is written again: Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

    SO IN THIS SCRIPTURE IT WAS MADE CLEAR TO SATAN THAT BY TEMPTING JESUS, WAS IN THE TRUTH, AND EQUIVALENT TO TEMPTING GOD, THEREFORE JESUS WAS GOD’S PRESENCE ON EARTH IN FLESH!

    ALSO

    SINCE EARTH WAS THE PROPERTY OF SATAN,AND ALL HUMANS WERE IN DEBT TO SATAN,SO A NORMAL HUMAN BEING COULD NOT MEET THE CRITERIA,REGARDING THE MESSIAH,

    IT IS NOT SUFFICIENT FOR YOU THAT JESUS WAS ALSO DIVINE!

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #791939
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    No Jesus knew it was not right for him to tempt God by jumping off the temple.

    Read it again.

    #791970
    carmel
    Participant

     

    No Jesus knew it was not right for him to tempt God

    NIck,

    SATAN TEMPTED JESUS: TRUTH!

    JESUS MADE IT CLEAR THAT:

    TEMPTING HIM IS IN THE SAME TIME AND EQUIVALENTLY TO:

    TEMPTING GOD!

    SATAN CHALLENGED JESUS TO JUMP TO CONFIRM THAT HE WAS THE SON OF GOD, DIVINE,THEREFORE TEMPTING GOD IN THE SAME INSTANT, AND WITH THE SAME ACT.

    WITHOUT JESUS PRESENCE SATAN COULD NEVER TEMPT GOD!

    ONLY JESUS WAS GOD IN FLESH!

    IT WAS THE VERY FIRST TIME THAT THIS OCCURRED ON EARTH, THAT SATAN TEMPTED GOD!

    BUT IN JESUS PRESENCE!

    THEREFORE JESUS WAS GOD’S PRESENCE ON EARTH!

    THE FACT THAT HE WAS PROTECTED BY ALL THE ANGELS,AND JESUS HUMAN BODY WAS:

    “THE WORD” MADE FLESH GOD IN FLESH!

    ALL THE ENTIRE CORRUPTED CREATION IN HIS BODY FROM HIS CONCEPTION,ALTHOUGH SINLESS, PURIFIED THROUGH HIS LIFE WHILE ON EARTH!

    DIED SINLESS AND INNOCENT ON THE CROSS!

    THE FACT THAT HE NEVER FELL ALTHOUGH HAD BEEN TEMPTED THROUGHOUT HIS ENTIRE LIFE FROM THE AGE OF THIRTEEN !

    GOD WAS BORN IN HIM!

    Isaiah 66:9  Shall not I that make others to bring forth children, MYSELF BRING FORTH , saith the Lord? shall I, that give generation to others, BE BARREN, saith the Lord thy God?

     

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #791985
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    No you are confused about the time he refused to jump off the temple as he that would be challenging God to save him as promised. Tempting God is not on.

    So cancel that TRUTH.

    God was in him and so the people recognised that and cried that GOD HAS VISITED HIS PEOPLE

    #791986
    kerwin
    Participant

    Carmel,

    Jesus said to him: It is written again: Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

    Jesus was just telling Satan he was not going to jump because doing so would tempt God to righteous anger.

    #791996
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    I think you should recheck which verse Satan quoted.

    #792012
    carmel
    Participant

     

    No you are confused about the time he refused to jump off the temple as he that would be challenging God to save him as promised.

    Nick,

    Notice, Jesus said to Satan not to tempt the lord God, not simply because he asked him to jump!

    But due to the fact that he tempted Jesus three times, AND NO MORE WAS HE ALLOWED TO DO SO!

    SATAN NEVER TEMPTED ANYONE IN THAT MANNER ,FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT ALL HUMANS WERE HIS PROPERTY, AND THERE WAS NO NEED TO TEMPT THEM SINCE THEY SERVED HIM!

    THE FACT THAT ON BAPTISM SATAN WAS REMOVED FROM JESUS’SOUL,WITH JUSTICE, AND THE FATHER’S SPIRIT OCCUPIED JESUS’SOUL, AND DECLARED HIM HIS BEGOTTEN SON, IT PROVES THAT HE WAS THE MESSIAH, AND JESUS WAS THE ONLY HUMAN BEING ON EARTH NOT SUBJECT TO SATAN’S POWER AND HIS GENERAL ATTRIBUTES,

    UNLESS JESUS HIMSELF ACCEPTED TO BE  SO! LIKE WHEN HE ORDERED HIM TO ENTER JUDAH IN ORDER TO BETRAY HIM!

    But God allowed Satan to tempt Jesus to justify the truth WHO JESUS WAS!

    Luke 4:1 AND Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost, returned from the Jordan, and WAS LED BY THE SPIRIT  into the desert,

    The above scripture confirms this!

    So Satan was allowed to tempt Jesus only three times IN SUCCESSION every occasion throughout the forty days

    READ:

    Luke 4:13 And all the temptation being ended, the devil departed from him FOR A TIME.

    OK?

    SO THOSE PARTICULAR TEMPTATIONS WERE:

    ONE RELATED TO THE THE SON BREAD,   SOULS!

    ONE RELATED TO THE THE HOLY SPIRIT EARTHLY POWER KINGDOMS

    ONE RELATED TO THE FATHER HEAVENLY REALM

    So Jesus made it clear that he was in the truth

    THE SON OF GOD, AND SATAN MUST LEAVE, OTHERWISE HE WOULD BE TEMPTING GOD TO REMOVE HIM,

    EVEN IF HE IS NOT YET CONVINCED THAT JESUS WAS THE SON OF GOD!

    SATAN WAS ALLOWED TO TEMPT JESUS EXTERNALLY ONLY, AND BEFORE  HIS MISSION STARTED IN ORDER TO JUSTIFY HIMSELF! SINCE HE LOST ALL TEMPTATIONS INTERNALLY IN THE PREVIOUS 18 YEARS.

    AFTER THEN JESUS WOULD BE IN COMMAND TO ESTABLISH GOD’S KINGDOM AND SATAN MUST AND WOULD SERVE HIM,

    JESUS HIS LORD GOD

    Luke 4:8 And Jesus answering said to him: It is written: Thou shalt adore THE LORD YOUR GOD, and HIM ONLY SHALL YOU SERVE.

    THE ABOVE STATEMENT FROM JESUS IS A REFERENCE TO HIM!

    SINCE SATAN WAS AND IS SUSTAINED BY “THE WORD” JESUS’ SPIRIT WITHIN HIM FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD.SO IN A WAY JESUS SERVED HIM TO ACCOMPLISH HIS ILLUSION TO BE LIKE THE MOST HIGH.

    SO JESUS MADE IT CLEAR TO SATAN THAT  FROM THAT MOMENT ON HE WOULD SERVE HIM, HIS LORD GOD.

    THE FACT THAT HE LEFT, AND IS IN THE TRUTH SERVING LORD JESUS!

    AND BY SERVING LORD JESUS HE WOULD IN FACT ADORE ALSO GOD!

    THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST

     

    Luke 4:4 And Jesus answered him: It is written,

    that Man liveth not by bread alone, but by every word of God.

    NOW THE BREAD THAT SATAN REFERRED TO, WERE SOULS IN THE STATE OF STONE, SINCE JESUS’ HUNGER WAS FOR SOULS, AND EVERY WORD OF GOD IS JESUS’ SPIRIT, THE WORD MADE FLESH!

    SO JESUS MADE IT CLEAR TO SATAN THAT ALTHOUGH SOULS ARE LIKE STONES,IN ACTUAL FACT ARE NOT JUST STONES, BUT ALSO SPIRIT WITHIN THEM, THE WORD JESUS’SPIRIT,AND ONCE SATAN IS REMOVED, THE CAUSE,THEY WILL NOT REMAIN STONE  AND WILL LIVE!

    THIS SYMBOLICALLY WAS MANIFESTED WHEN JESUS ASKED TO TAKE AWAY THE STONE TO RAISE LAZARUS FROM THE DEAD!

     

    SO AS I SAID:

    JESUS WAS THE PRESENCE OF GOD, AND BY TEMPTING JESUS IS EQUIVALENT TO TEMPTING GOD!

     

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #792016
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    So YOU say.

    #792018
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    You said the same thing I did though you use better grammar. My pronoun use is confusing to those who do not know what I am speaking of.

    Satan was being deceptive and basically told Jesus that if Jesus cast himself off the temple God would protect him from harm and Jesus’ answer revealed he knew that doing so would be a sin and so the words Satan quoted would not apply.

    #792019
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    Would not apply?

    You added stuff about God’s righteous anger.

    #792021
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    Jesus quoted from Deuteronomy 6:13 and the context if you look at verses 14 and 15 is about God’s jealousness and anger being stirred up by the disobedience of his people.

    I pulled them in because some Trinitarians ignorantly claim God it is evidence God can be tempted by evil.

    #793359
    DavidL
    Participant

    @t8

    Sad. Many in deception do not test things.

    Many… in deception who do not know how to test false doctrine because they have not the Spirit.

    Sad… you condemn me for doing the very thing you say we should do – test the teachings of men (ie. your teaching).

     

    This site teaches people to distrust the Scriptures – to look to the teachings of men instead of the plain Word of God, and the Spirit for understanding..

     

    This is the exact same principle that the serpent used in the garden with Eve… he brought doubt concerning what God had spoken, then suggested she should partake of the tree of knowledge to become wise..

     

    This was the religion of the Pharisees, who taught as doctrines the precepts of men…

     

    “There is a way that SEEMS right unto man, but its end is the way of death.”

     

    Reason V’s Revelation..

     

    (“..and on this rock I will build My Church..”)

     

    ..faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the teachings of men Word of God.

     

    #793361
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Hold up a mirror and you will see what you accuse others of is your failing.

    You cannot test your trinity idea because no scriptures support it

    #793481
    DavidL
    Participant

     

    For the record – your own words support it…

    “To lie against the Spirit is to lie against God.”…!

    #793484
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    How is exposing false doctrine lying against the Spirit?

    The Spirit wrote scripture through men and never mentioned any trinity

    #793487
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Rather this site teaches folk to trust the scriptures, to compare verse with verse and establish truth.

    It is you who would draw them away to believe rather in the speculations of foolish men.

    #793488
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Indeed many do not have the Spirit and instead follow the precepts and the traditions of men.

    Could you be among them?

     

    #793493
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    There are many spirits.

    Test the spirits.

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