Supporting the Trinity Doctrine? – The Trinity Doctrine

Part 01 – The Trinity Doctrine
Part 02 – Who is the Most High God?
Part 03 – Who and what is Jesus?
Part 04 – The true meaning of ‘God’
Part 05 – Supporting the Trinity
Part 06 – Pre-Nicene writings
Part 07 – Development of the Trinity
Part 08 – Why challenge the Trinity
Part 09 – Trinity Doctrine conclusion
Part 10 – An Apostasy
Part 11 – 100 indisputable proof verses
Part 12 – What is your confession?
Part 13 – The Roman Catholic faith
Part 14 – Trinity Doctrine resources

This page is dedicated to the scriptures that people use when supporting the Trinity Doctrine. We look at why they are used to support this doctrine and test their hypothesis to see if they stand the test of scrutiny.

Each scripture is listed with a link to its own page showing biblical evidence as to why these are not supporting the Trinity Doctrine.


Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity


Is Jesus called God in 1 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)?

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity


Did Thomas call Jesus, his God in John 20:28 (KJV)?

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity


Because YHWH calls himself “I am”  in Exodus 3:13-14, did Jesus claim to be Yahweh when he said “I am” in John 18:5-6?

5 “Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied. “I am he,” Jesus said. (And Judas the traitor was standing there with them.)
6 When Jesus said, “I am he,” they drew back and fell to the ground.

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1 John 5:7 lists the three so-called persons of the Trinity and says they are one. Does this prove the Trinity?

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

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Does Isaiah 9:6 prove the Trinity because it calls Jesus the mighty God?

For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”‘

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Does the baptismal formula in Matthew 28:19 prove the Trinity Doctrine?
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

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John 1:1 says the Word was God. Does that mean that Jesus is God because he is the Word?

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

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John 1:18 calls Jesus ‘the begotten God”. Does this prove that Jesus is God and provide support for the Trinity Doctrine?

“No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten God, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.”

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Is Jesus called the Alpha and Omega in Revelation 1:8, thus making him God?

8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

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Colossians 2:9-10 says that Christ is the fullness of the Deity. Does this make Jesus God?

9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,
10 and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority.

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Philippians 2:6 says he existed in the form of God. Is this scriptural proof that Jesus is God?
who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,.

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Does Mark 12:36 support the Trinity Doctrine because of the usage of ‘Lord’?

David himself, speaking by the Holy Spirit, declared: “`The Lord said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet.”

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Did Jesus claim to be God in John 10:33 according to an accusation made by some Jews?

“We are not stoning you for any of these,” replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

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Was Jesus inferring he was God in John 5:18-19 when the Jews said he was making himself equal with God ?

18 For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
19 Jesus gave them this answer: “I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.

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Does the word “us” in Genesis 1:26 mean that God consists of plural persons as the Trinity Doctrine teaches?

Then God said, ‘Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness

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Did Jesus infer that he was God in John 10:30 when he said he was one with the Father?

“I and the Father are one”.

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Hebrews 1:6 states that Jesus is worshipped by angels. Does that make him God?

And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.”

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Does Hebrews 1:8 state that God called Jesus, God?

But concerning the Son, “Your throne O God is forever and ever.”

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Does Isaiah 48:11 support of the Trinity Doctrine because God does not give his glory to another?

For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.

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Does Titus 3:4-6 support the Trinity Doctrine because God is called our saviour?

4 But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared,
5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,
6 whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior,

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Does Revelation 1:8 & Revelation 1:17-18 prove that God is a Trinity because of the term First and Last?

Revelation 1:8
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.
&
Revelation 1:17-18
And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last.
“I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen.

Read why these verses do not teach the Trinity →


Does Deuteronomy 6:4 and Genesis 2:24 prove that God is a Trinity because ‘one’ means ‘unity’?

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.
&
Genesis 2:24
For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.

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Does Isaiah 45:23 & Philippians 2:10-11 read together prove that Jesus is God because we will bow to God?

Isaiah 45:23
By myself I have sworn,  my mouth has uttered in all integrity  a word that will not be revoked:
Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear.
&
Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Read why these verses do not teach the Trinity →


Does 1 Peter 2:6-8 & Isaiah 8:12-15 read together prove that Jesus is God because he is the stumbling stone?

1 Peter 2: 6-8
6 For in Scripture it says: “See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame.”
7 Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe, The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone,”
8 and,“A stone that causes people to stumble and a rock that makes them fall.”

&
Isaiah 8:12-15
11 For Jehovah spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me not to walk in the way of this people, saying,
12 Say ye not, A conspiracy, concerning all whereof this people shall say, A conspiracy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be in dread thereof .
13 Jehovah of hosts, him shall ye sanctify; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.
14 And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
15 And many shall stumble thereon, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken.

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Discussion

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  • #791717
    DavidL
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    so – change the subject if you don’t have an answer..?

    #791719
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    It is not about me or you but about true doctrine

    There are many false teachers drawing crowds after them.

    #791721
    DavidL
    Participant

    Yes…you also have something to say – but why should I listen to you Nick…are YOU born again..?

    #791722
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    I have obeyed the command.

    You should listen to the Spirit.

     

    #791724
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    I enjoy the peace that passes all understanding.

    It is precious.

    #791726
    DavidL
    Participant

    So…you have received Jesus Christ as your Savior..?

    You cannot know Him as your Lord or your God, unless you first know Him as your Savior…!

    #791738
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Where does scripture speak of

    “receiving Jesus Christ as your saviour”

    or is this just another false way promoted by the latest false teachers?

    #791742
    DavidL
    Participant

    Come on Nick, why do play ignorant – Jesus is Savior isn’t He..?

    …is He YOUR Savior..?

    #791746
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    And soon as you can show the question has some scriptural relevance.

    #791747
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    There is no other name in heaven and earth by which we can be saved.””

    But making such a declaration without obedience to his commands is more uselessness.

    “Why do you call me Lord Lord and not do as I say?

    #791748
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Read the scriptures.

     

    Compare this with the modern demand that we give our lives to Jesus and ask him to be our saviour .

    Is there any similarity? Should we follow men or obey the Master?

    #791749
    DavidL
    Participant

    really, I will have to assume you are another one who just likes to talk about religious things..without any personal experience of knowing who Jesus is..

    #791751
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Would you be convinced if I shared personal experiences with you?

    You have your own deeply rooted beliefs so how would anyone get through your prejudices?

     

    remain content but you have heard enough.

    #791752
    DavidL
    Participant

    prejudices..because I accept the truth you cannot understand…?!

    I have given you Scripture, but you just ignore it…!!

    The Pharisees loved debating Scripture too, Nick..

    ..what did Jesus say…?

    “You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me: and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.”

    #791758
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Yes you are only here to defend what you admit is of man.

    You love defining him but cannot come to him.

    #791762
    kerwin
    Participant

    DavidH,

    You are prejudiced because you are afraid to test the spirit of your teaching.   I have tested it and it has the spirit of confusion and God is not a God of confusion.  If you believed Jesus then you would believe that line up on line Scripture supports itself.  You would not believe Jesus is God because you would be confident that God cannot be tempted by evil while Jesus was tempted as we are.  Instead you choose to believe that Jesus cannot be tempted as we are even at the same time you believe he is tempted even as we are.  That is the fruit of the flesh and not the fruit of the Spirit for the Spirit is not a Spirit of contradictions.

    I think it is a waste of my time to point because you have sold your soul to a lie and to discover that will destroy what faith you live by even if that faith is in a lie.  Satan baits his traps well.

    Jesus instruct us to repent or we will perish.

    #791770
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    DavidL

    I know your heart is in the right place in regards to loving God even though we disagree regarding doctrine so although I will continue to discuss doctrine and spiritual teachings with you there is one thing for sure:

    Luke 9:50
    And Jesus said unto him, “Forbid him not; for he that is not against us, is for us.”

    So I will not nor cannot accuse you of not having the wonderful experiences with God as you have said so why should I doubt that:

    Revelation 12:10
    And I heard a loud voice saying in Heaven, “Now have come salvation and strength, and the Kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ; for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, who accused them before our God day and night.

    God is great.

    Isaiah 59:1
    Behold, the Lord’S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither His ear heavy, that it cannot hear.

    we would all love to believe that our version of what we know about God is the correct and only version but I will say:

    Psalm 70:4
    Let all those that seek Thee rejoice and be glad in Thee; and let such as love Thy salvation say continually, “Let God be magnified!”

    In conclusion:

    Revelation 7:1021st Century King James Version (KJ21)

    10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation to our God who sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb!”

    #791782
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    DavidL

    Now back to our truth seeking

    Revelation 7:1021st Century King James Version (KJ21)

    10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation to our God who sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb!”

    In the scripture above there is God and then there is the Lamb, who is the Lamb?

    #791811
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,

    There is no valid doctrine of a trinity.

    It a fantasy drawn by those outside the gate

    #791904
    carmel
    Participant

     

    There is no valid doctrine of a trinity.

    Nick,

    Explain hereunder regarding the TRINITY!

    Romans 1:20

    For the invisible things of him, from the creation of the world, are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made; his eternal power also, and divinity: so that they are inexcusable.

    AS YOU CAN READ:

    THE INVISIBLE THINGS OF GOD, ARE CLEARLY SEEN FROM THE CREATION OF THE WORLD!

    BEING UNDERSTOOD BY THE THINGS THAT ARE MADE;

    HIS ETERNAL POWER ALSO,

    AND DIVINITY:

    NOW THIS IS FOR YOU AND ALL THOSE WHO DO NOT WANT TO BELIEVE IN THE TRINITY CONCEPT,

    SO THAT THEY ARE INEXCUSABLE

     

    THE TRINITY IS THE MOST UNIQUE POWER FUNCTION THE DEITY ESTABLISHED BEFORE THE VERY FIRST BEGINNING IN ORDER TO CREATE.

    ON HIS OWN HE NEVER NEEDED IT , ALTHOUGH IT WAS ALWAYS WITHIN HIMSELF! ALL IN THE DEITY!

    BUT TO CREATE HE TRANSFORMED IT INTO:

    “THE WORD” HIS SON, WISDOM, LIGHT!

    WHICH WAS WITHIN THE BEGINNING ITSELF: LUCIFER! THE FIRST ARCHANGEL!  a created god! the only one tangible in that moment in time!

    in the beginning was the word:

    IN LUCIFER WAS THE WORD!

    THE LIGHT BEARER!

    THE LIGHT/WISDOM,   WAS THE SON, “THE WORD”

    THE BEARER WAS LUCIFER, CREATION! MATTER TO BE!

    So it ‘s up to the individual THAT IN THE TRUTH OF IT, reflect on CREATION ITSELF and once you do it in LOVE for God, NOT TO SEE IF IT’S TRUE OR NOT, THE FACT THAT YOU ACCEPT IT BEFOREHAND, GOD WOULD REVEAL IT TO YOU

    IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN IT GOD WOULD EVEN MAKE YOU MORE BLIND NOT TO SEE IT SINCE WE DEPEND ON FAITH

    ALSO, TO MAKE THINGS CLEAR:

    NOT AS THREE PERSONS THOUGH WHICH IS A MISGUIDED TEACHING! SINCE EVEN GOD HIMSELF IS NOT A PERSON AS SUCH! BUT AN UNFATHOMABLE SPIRIT BEING WITHOUT A BEGINNING AND AND END, WHICH A PERSON IS NOT!

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

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