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Supporting the Trinity Doctrine? – The Trinity Doctrine

Part 01 – The Trinity Doctrine
Part 02 – Who is the Most High God?
Part 03 – Who and what is Jesus?
Part 04 – The true meaning of ‘God’
Part 05 – Supporting the Trinity
Part 06 – Pre-Nicene writings
Part 07 – Development of the Trinity
Part 08 – Why challenge the Trinity
Part 09 – Trinity Doctrine conclusion
Part 10 – An Apostasy
Part 11 – 100 indisputable proof verses
Part 12 – What is your confession?
Part 13 – The Roman Catholic faith
Part 14 – Trinity Doctrine resources

This page is dedicated to the scriptures that people use when supporting the Trinity Doctrine. We look at why they are used to support this doctrine and test their hypothesis to see if they stand the test of scrutiny.

Each scripture is listed with a link to its own page showing biblical evidence as to why these are not supporting the Trinity Doctrine.

Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

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Is Jesus called God in 1 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)?

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

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Did Thomas call Jesus, his God in John 20:28 (KJV)?

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

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Because YHWH calls himself “I am”  in Exodus 3:13-14, did Jesus claim to be Yahweh when he said “I am” in John 18:5-6?

5 “Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied. “I am he,” Jesus said. (And Judas the traitor was standing there with them.)
6 When Jesus said, “I am he,” they drew back and fell to the ground.

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1 John 5:7 lists the three so-called persons of the Trinity and says they are one. Does this prove the Trinity?

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

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Does Isaiah 9:6 prove the Trinity because it calls Jesus the mighty God?

For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”‘

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Does the baptismal formula in Matthew 28:19 prove the Trinity Doctrine?
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

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John 1:1 says the Word was God. Does that mean that Jesus is God because he is the Word?

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

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John 1:18 calls Jesus ‘the begotten God”. Does this prove that Jesus is God and provide support for the Trinity Doctrine?

“No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten God, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.”

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Is Jesus called the Alpha and Omega in Revelation 1:8, thus making him God?

8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

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Colossians 2:9-10 says that Christ is the fullness of the Deity. Does this make Jesus God?

9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,
10 and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority.

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Philippians 2:6 says he existed in the form of God. Is this scriptural proof that Jesus is God?
who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,.

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Does Mark 12:36 support the Trinity Doctrine because of the usage of ‘Lord’?

David himself, speaking by the Holy Spirit, declared: “`The Lord said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet.”

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Did Jesus claim to be God in John 10:33 according to an accusation made by some Jews?

“We are not stoning you for any of these,” replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

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Was Jesus inferring he was God in John 5:18-19 when the Jews said he was making himself equal with God ?

18 For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
19 Jesus gave them this answer: “I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.

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Does the word “us” in Genesis 1:26 mean that God consists of plural persons as the Trinity Doctrine teaches?

Then God said, ‘Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness

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Did Jesus infer that he was God in John 10:30 when he said he was one with the Father?

“I and the Father are one”.

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Hebrews 1:6 states that Jesus is worshipped by angels. Does that make him God?

And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.”

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Does Hebrews 1:8 state that God called Jesus, God?

But concerning the Son, “Your throne O God is forever and ever.”

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Does Isaiah 48:11 support of the Trinity Doctrine because God does not give his glory to another?

For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.

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Does Titus 3:4-6 support the Trinity Doctrine because God is called our saviour?

4 But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared,
5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,
6 whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior,

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Does Revelation 1:8 & Revelation 1:17-18 prove that God is a Trinity because of the term First and Last?

Revelation 1:8
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.
&
Revelation 1:17-18
And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last.
“I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen.

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Does Deuteronomy 6:4 and Genesis 2:24 prove that God is a Trinity because ‘one’ means ‘unity’?

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.
&
Genesis 2:24
For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.

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Does Isaiah 45:23 & Philippians 2:10-11 read together prove that Jesus is God because we will bow to God?

Isaiah 45:23
By myself I have sworn,  my mouth has uttered in all integrity  a word that will not be revoked:
Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear.
&
Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

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Does 1 Peter 2:6-8 & Isaiah 8:12-15 read together prove that Jesus is God because he is the stumbling stone?

1 Peter 2: 6-8
6 For in Scripture it says: “See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame.”
7 Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe, The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone,”
8 and,“A stone that causes people to stumble and a rock that makes them fall.”
&
Isaiah 8:12-15
11 For Jehovah spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me not to walk in the way of this people, saying,
12 Say ye not, A conspiracy, concerning all whereof this people shall say, A conspiracy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be in dread thereof .
13 Jehovah of hosts, him shall ye sanctify; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.
14 And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
15 And many shall stumble thereon, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken.

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Discussion

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  • March 20, 2015 at 2:50 am#791100
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    Ultimate respect??

    God wants you to obey Him and believe in the Son.

    The rest is useless human religious time wasting.

    March 20, 2015 at 2:52 am#791101
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,

    The words of the anointed man Jesus Christ need to be spiritually assayed.

    You need to know if it is the man speaking or the Word or the Spirit of the Father.

    You must be reborn from above.

    March 21, 2015 at 7:07 am#791229
    DavidL
    Participant

    bodhitharta

    If this is about the actual beginning it would make no sense because there would be no “Men” in the beginning but in John 1:4 In him was life,[a] and the life was the light of men.

     

    Hebrews 11:3 says, “By faith we understand that the universe was created by the word of God..”

    Psalm 33:6  says, “By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, their starry host by the breath of His mouth.”

    Genesis 2:7 “Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.”

     

    John is saying that in the beginning, this breath – this Word of life that proceeded from the Father and created man, giving him life and understanding.. was unmistakably Jesus Christ “He was in the beginning with God. Through Him all things were made; without Him nothing was made that has been made.”

     

    This is the testimony of John by revelation, to which the Spirit gives witness.

     

    The Word made flesh…who now, through the light of the Gospel, gives new life to those who receive Him; restoring back to mankind the spiritual life and light lost in the garden..

     

     

     

    March 21, 2015 at 11:01 am#791250
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hebrews 11:3 says, “By faith we understand that the universe was created by the word of God..”

    Psalm 33:6 says, “By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, their starry host by the breath of His mouth.”

    Hi DavidL,

    By the breath of who’s mouth were the heavens made? …(<– please answer)

    1. YHVH
    2. Christ
    3. Other

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    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
    ”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GOD

    March 21, 2015 at 11:11 am#791252
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hebrews 11:3 says, “By faith we understand that the universe was created by the word of God..”

    Psalm 33:6 says, “By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, their starry host by the breath of His mouth.”

    Hi DavidL,

    By the breath of who’s mouth were the heavens made? (<– please answer)

    1. YHVH
    2. Christ
    3. Other

    And how exactly does Christ fit into your understanding of Psalm 33:6?

    Christ is…

    A. Is speaking the word and is the word
    B. Is not speaking the word but is the word
    C. Is not speaking the word and is not the word

    Please choose A, B, or C ???

    ____________
    God Bless
    Ed J

    March 21, 2015 at 1:48 pm#791282
    Miia
    Participant

    so shall my word be that goes out from my mouth;
    it shall not return to me empty,
    but it shall accomplish that which I purpose,
    and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it. (Isaiah 55)

    Hi Miia

    Just because God’s word accomplishes what he wants it to,
    it does NOT make his word his son; did you somehow think it does?

    Hi Ed.

    I did not say the word spoken out of God’s mouth was the Son of God, but God spoke His word for us in these last days through His Son as scripture says.

    “God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world (aion).”

    From what I understand of Isaiah 55, God’s word goes out from His mouth with a purpose and returns to him after accomplishing what He has sent it to do.
    In the last days, Jesus was sent and accomplished what God wanted Him to do through the Holy Spirit, then Jesus went to God in Heaven.
    So, God’s spoken word and the spirit of God and Jesus the son of God became as one.

    March 21, 2015 at 2:02 pm#791285
    DavidL
    Participant

    Hi EdJ

     

    You’re jumping in on my discussion with bd, but if this analysis is important to you then I’d say the mouth is the Father, His breath is the Spirit, and Christ the spoken Word… three Persons – one God.

     

    Thus in Psalm 33:6 we have the three manifestations of God – Word, LORD and Breath..

     

    Just my own speculation on defining the indefinable.. but I’m sure you guys will all correct me and deliver me from the terrible idol worship of Jesus Christ – my Lord AND my God.

    March 21, 2015 at 2:10 pm#791287
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Ed.

    I did not say the word spoken out of God’s mouth was the Son of God, but God spoke His word for us in these last days through His Son as scripture says.

    Hi Miia

    If Jesus spoke “The Word” then it should be pretty obvious that he cannot be “The Word” which he is speaking; do you agree?

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    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
    ”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GOD

    March 21, 2015 at 2:15 pm#791288
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi EdJ

    You’re jumping in on my discussion with bd, but if this analysis is important to you then I’d say the mouth is the Father, His breath is the Spirit, and Christ the spoken Word… three Persons – one God.

    Thus in Psalm 33:6 we have the three manifestations of God – Word, LORD and Breath..

    Just my own speculation on defining the indefinable.. but I’m sure you guys will all correct me and deliver me from the terrible idol worship of Jesus Christ – my Lord AND my God.

    Hi David L,

    “By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.” (Psalms 33:6)

    How exactly does Christ fit into your understanding of Psalm 33:6? …so Christ is which one exactly ???

    A. Christ is speaking the word and is the word
    B. Christ is not speaking the word but is the word
    C. Christ is not speaking the word and is not the word

    Sounds like you may be going for “B” – is “B” your answer?

    ____________
    God Bless
    Ed J

    March 21, 2015 at 2:23 pm#791291
    DavidL
    Participant

    yeah – I’ll go with B…come on make my day…

    March 21, 2015 at 2:31 pm#791292
    DavidL
    Participant

    …the suspense is killin me – come on, did I win anything..?

    March 21, 2015 at 3:23 pm#791293
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Do you think God is SEPARATE from His own Spirit??

    Are you?

    March 21, 2015 at 5:13 pm#791303
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Hi DavidL

    I’m not sure where or how you developed your theology but I must ask you, Do you believe when the Bible and Jesus says:

    Deuteronomy 6:4
    Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:

    If so can you please tell me who is this Lord who is our God?

    If it is Jesus is there another Lord who is our God?

    If you say there is another Lord who is our God, how can there be only ONE Lord who is our God?

    March 21, 2015 at 8:55 pm#791304
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Davidl,

    None of the anointed prophets taught about any trinity and neither did Jesus Christ.

    But you do.

    Any your credentials greater?

    It is an easy choice of whom to listen to.

    March 22, 2015 at 7:20 am#791324
    DavidL
    Participant

    bodhitharta

     

    I hate theology (but love Scripture)…theology is the dead interpretations and wranglings of men who think they are important because of their amazing Biblical knowledge – but Scripture is alive and pure…wasn’t it the theologians that crucified Christ..!? Those old pharisees knew the Scriptures back to front but because they had not the Spirit they hated the truth when it stood before them in human form.. so it is today, you people debate endlessly, pretending to know the Scriptures…but do you ever actually get anywhere..!? ..if someone spoke the truth, could you discern..!? and would you even listen… or just go on endlessly promoting your own Biblical theories…?

     

    Yes God is one…didn’t Jesus say ‘I and the Father are one’..?  Tell me bd, what other prophet, apostle or saint could ever say a thing like that..!?  Could you say that…!?

    Don’t you know that those who you call ‘trinitarians’ believe the three are ONE…!!! (?)  – because, in truth, they ARE one, but your logic will always prevail until you learn to listen to the Spirit – learn to discern what is inspired of God, and what is just dead doctrine.

    March 22, 2015 at 7:22 am#791326
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,

    Heb 1 .1f

    “God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, in these last days has spoken to us in His Son…”

     

     

    It is about the Father Who uses vessels to speak to men.

    Men did not call the prophets GOD so why do they say this about the Son?

    March 22, 2015 at 7:26 am#791327
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl

    You asked if we could be one with God too.

    Jn 17

    20

    “…that they may all be ONE , even as You, Father, are in me and I in You,

    that they may be in us so that the world may believe You sent me.”

    Can you grasp this?

    March 22, 2015 at 7:28 am#791328
    DavidL
    Participant

    ..maybe the Son is different..?

    March 22, 2015 at 7:28 am#791329
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    The Spirit inspired the authors of the scriptures

    The scriptures do not teach that God is three.

    So which spirit are you of?

    March 22, 2015 at 7:30 am#791330
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    The Son wants other men to be sons too.

    He is the first of many brothers.

     

    Why do you worship the vessel when you do not worship the prophets who served in the same way?

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