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Genesis 1:26

Does the word “us” in Genesis 1:26 mean that God consists of plural persons as the Trinity Doctrine teaches?

Genesis 1:26
Then God said, ‘Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness.

Genesis 3:22
Then the Lord God said, ‘Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil

The first verse uses the word Elohim as God, and the second verse uses the words Yahweh Elohim. The plurality of the word “us” is the Father and the Son. So when God says “Let us make man in our image” it is the Father talking to the Son. To put it another way, God talking to the Word (Logos). God created everything through his Word, so it makes sense that God would say “Let us make man in our image”.

Remember Revelation 3:12
Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God.
Never again will he leave it.
I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on him my new name.

John 20:17
Jesus said, Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them,
`I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.

We also need to remember that humans can be referred to as gods/theos/elohim at least according to Psalms 82:6
“I said, `You are “gods” (Elohim); you are all sons of the Most High.’Jesus confirms this truth as he quotes this very scripture to the Jews.

See John 10:34
Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, `I have said you are gods (theos)’

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  • March 21, 2015 at 8:59 am#791239
    NickHassan
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    Hi KW,

    “The bottom line is that humanity bears the likeness of angels.”

    Really?

    So easily convinced?

    Them please tell us how the angelic cherubim described in Ez 1-10 with their wheels etc resemble men.

    March 21, 2015 at 9:06 am#791240
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    Thin evidence for such brave statements.

    It is not thin evidence unless you consider the word of Scriptures thin evidence.

    Jesus used to test to show he was not an immaterial being after his resurrection. The first is he allowed himself to be touched and the second is that he ate. Either you believe Jesus was being honest in proposing those tests or you believe he was engaging in trickery. If you believe Jesus then you believe those two tests determine whether a being is immaterial of physical. Given you believe those two tests determine whether a being is immaterial physical then applying those tests to the angels that visited Lot reveals they are physical as they were touched by Lot as they touched him and they also ate with him and then prepared to go to bed. In a like manner when the disciples touched Jesus and witnessed Jesus eating before them they believe he was not a spirit.

    In short if you believe Scripture then you believe angels are physical beings.

    March 21, 2015 at 9:16 am#791242
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    Hi KW,

    “The bottom line is that humanity bears the likeness of angels.”

    Really?

    So easily convinced?

    Them please tell us how the angelic cherubim described in Ez 1-10 with their wheels etc resemble men.

    They are not called angels though they are called living creatures. None of the living creatures look like men though they may parts that do. Some non-living creations are called messengers and humanity does not look like those angels.

    I do not consider either of them as flaws in my reasoning since us is speaking of the unity of the Spirit and so may refer to any part thereof and not the whole. If a team wins at a sport those players that warmed the benches and did not play also win as part of the team.

    March 21, 2015 at 9:42 am#791243
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    So on the basis of a few examples you are emboldened to teach that men are like angels?

    Is the quality of your research so shallow?

     

    March 21, 2015 at 9:44 am#791244
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    Are physical or can be physical when God chooses?

    Stop applying your simplistic rules to the ways of God

    March 21, 2015 at 9:46 am#791245
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    “Nick, if Christ/christos means ‘Anointing’, then how can Jesus be the anointing if he was just a plain man that became anointed? The anointing is something or someone else surely if a person like the man Jesus receives it.”

    What God has joined together let no man put asunder.

    Jesus and the anointing are one and one with God in that anointing Spirit.

    March 21, 2015 at 12:14 pm#791265
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    Hi KW,

    Are physical or can be physical when God chooses?

    Stop applying your simplistic rules to the ways of God

    There are those that claim that angels can become physical beings but are by nature immaterial beings. The same is said of Jesus because he passes through his walls. Passing through walls is not evidence as things that appear solid to us are not solid. In reality there is more space in a solid item than solid particles. God sees the space and controls the particles even though human beings do not have the ability to do either. A physical body passes through a wall because God chooses to move the particles and associated fields so that those each solid creation does not collide with one another.

    We, in this age, have the knowledge it can be done but we also have the knowledge we are incapable of doing it. The people of that age lacked our knowledge of the details but knew God had the power to pass one solid item through another without harming either though they themselves could not do so.

    Angels are visible beings but humans cannot see them because God hides from out sight. You learn that when Baalam’s As saw the angel and yet Baalam did not because God hid the being from his sight. Similarly, God hid Jesus’ appearance from the two disciples who walked with him down the road though he did not physically change Jesus’ apearance. God did not change the angel that Balaam saw from immaterial to physical but instead revealed to the prophet the creature his donkey already saw.

    A second argument against believing that God gives physical form to immaterial being is that it would render null and void Jesus’ tests to prove he was not a spirit. I could not say the same if he used the more specific word of phantasm as a synonym of the word ghost but instead he chose to use the word spirit as a synonym of immaterial being and so made the tests applicable to all spirit beings. To support Jesus’ claim we know that God cannot be touched and does not eat.

    March 21, 2015 at 12:20 pm#791267
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    Hi KW,

    So on the basis of a few examples you are emboldened to teach that men are like angels?

    Is the quality of your research so shallow?

    There is not much research to it as Scripture states that the angels look like humans and that is not the only case.

    So it follows that since angels look like human then humans look like those angels.

    Why do you have so much trouble accepting that?

    Do you also have the idea that angels were created before humankind?

    March 21, 2015 at 1:19 pm#791274
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    “Nick, if Christ/christos means ‘Anointing’, then how can Jesus be the anointing if he was just a plain man that became anointed? The anointing is something or someone else surely if a person like the man Jesus receives it.”

    What God has joined together let no man put asunder.

    Jesus and the anointing are one and one with God in that anointing Spirit.

    Hi Nick,

    Because Jesus has become one with the spirit of God’s anointing he thus
    became one with God in that anointing spirit that he became one with.
    Is that what you believe? I don’t even know what that means ???

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    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
    ”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GOD

    March 21, 2015 at 1:34 pm#791275
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Nick,

    It sounds like you are saying “Jesus” -AND- “The Christ” became one with God in God’s HolySpirit.

    But isn’t Jesus “The Christ”? It sounds like you are trying to make God’s own spirit(=HolySpirit)
    into “the Christ” also saying “The Christ” a different spirit from Jesus. Is this what you are saying?

    ____________
    God Bless
    Ed J

    March 21, 2015 at 1:37 pm#791277
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Ed,

    The word was made flesh.

     

    Jesus became Jesus Christ and one with God forever.

    We are invited to join in that eternal fellowship in and of the Spirit.

     

    March 21, 2015 at 1:39 pm#791279
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Nick,

    Do you believe “the spirit of Christ” is a different spirit from the spirit that Jesus was born with?

    please answer

    March 21, 2015 at 1:41 pm#791280
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Ed,

    Yes.

    His own spirit left at calvary as happens at the death of all men.

    The Spirit of Christ is the Spirit of anointing.

     

    Jesus of Nazareth was anointed at the Jordan.

    March 21, 2015 at 1:42 pm#791281
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Ed,

    The Spirit of anointing is the Word which is in and of the Spirit of God.

    March 21, 2015 at 3:36 pm#791294
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    The Spirit that he surrendered to God at Calvary is the breath of life that God breath into the nostrils of mankind. Spirit is just a synonym of breath just like breath is a form of wind.

    I short you are confusing two different spirits. One is the breath of life that bears witness to our works and the other is the spirit we live by whether is be a godly spirit or a ungodly one. The human spirit is mutable but God’s is always righteous.

    Proverbs 16:18 speaks of the human spirit and provides a humble spirit as an example of a godly spirit and a proud spirit as an example of a godless spirit.

    March 21, 2015 at 3:50 pm#791295
    kerwin
    Participant

    Ed,

    Hi Nick,

    It sounds like you are saying “Jesus” -AND- “The Christ” became one with God in God’s HolySpirit.

    But isn’t Jesus “The Christ”? It sounds like you are trying to make God’s own spirit(=HolySpirit)
    into “the Christ” also saying “The Christ” a different spirit from Jesus. Is this what you are saying?

    If that is what Nick claims I agree with him as “the Christ” is a mantle that Jesus the Son of David wears. That mantle is the Spirit of God and so in itself is God. Jesus is the only one, except God, that has ever exhibited it at its fullest. Believers wear it as well but they reveal it to a lesser extent as it is only through faith in Jesus that they become sons of God.

    The OT teaches us God’s Spirit preexists Jesus conception but it does not say that Christ the Son of David does. Instead it testifies that a time will come, and we know has now come, when he will come to be.

    Do you believe that prophecy?

    If you believe then you do not believe that Jesus existed before it.

    March 21, 2015 at 4:05 pm#791297
    NickHassan
    Participant

    HI kw,
    “I short you are confusing two different spirits. One is the breath of life that bears witness to our works [WHERE IS THIS WORK SPOKEN OF?]and the other is the spirit we live by whether is be a godly spirit or a ungodly one [WHERE DOES IT SAY NATURAL MAN ALSO HAS EITHER A GODLY OR UNGODLY SPIRIT?]The human spirit is mutable but God’s is always righteous.”

    March 22, 2015 at 12:38 am#791311
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    Proverbs 20:27 is the one I was thinking of but there is at least one more.

    March 22, 2015 at 5:16 am#791315
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    KERWIN……it says,”THE SPIRIT OF MAN IS THE CANDEL OF THE LORD, SEARCHING ALL THE INWARD PARTS OF THE BELLY”

    Explain how you get you assumptions from that.

    A candle is not, THE BREATH OF LIFE, NOR THE BREATH OF ANYTHING, it is a candel meaning a “LIGHT” that gives us our mental understanding (intellect) which inables OR GIVES us the ABILITY to search the inward parts the belly, (SIMPLY PUT, TO RATIONALIZE HIDDEN THINGS OUT ). It says it comes from the LORD, and when we die “IT” the SPIRIT, goes back to where “IT” came from, to him who gave “IT” (SPIRIT), “IT” GIVES US OUR INTELLEGNCE WE HAVE, it is From GOD, “it” can never die because “it” belongs to GOD, AND IS FROM GOD, AND RETURNS TO GOD, SPIRIT IS WHAT LIFE “ITSELF” IS. No physical then that has life can live without spirit in it, from one living cell to a GIANT WHALE, WHITOUT SPIRIT FROM GOD NO PHYSICAL LIVING THING HAS LIFE IN ITSELF ie, it’s SOUL.

    LIFE “is” SPIRIT and WORDS ARE THE EXPRESSIONS OF THAT LIVING SPIRIT IN A BEING, RATHER GOD OR ANGEL, OR MAN. MAKES NO DIFFERENCE SPIRIT IS SPIRIT, IT’S JUST WHAT TYPE OR KIND IS IN THE “BEING” it will EVIDENCE ITSELF, AND YOU CAN KNOW WHAT KIND OR TYPE OF SPIRIT WHICH IS EFFECTING THE PERSON, THERE WORDS GIVE THE SPIRITS IN THEM AWAY. IMO

    peace and love to you and yours. ………………gene

    March 22, 2015 at 6:11 am#791318
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi GB,

    Personal understanding is not intellect.

     

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