1 John 5:20

Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

Read this part slowly:

“And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ.”

The true one mentioned in this verse, has to be the Father. Why?

Because it clearly says, We are in HIM who is true, by being in HIS son.

Who is the son mentioned here? It is Jesus Christ.

Who is the one who is true that has a son? Well that has to be the Father because Jesus never had a son did he? If you hold the view that Jesus is the one true God in this verse, then you have to conclude that Jesus has a son called Jesus because the one who is true has a son called Jesus according to the verse.

So by this very simple, clear, and reasonable reading of the text, we can see that the Father is the one who is true and we are in the Father because we are in HIS son. That is the only way you can read this verse.

Do you need further proof? Well look at John 17:3:
Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

As you can see, the only true God is not Jesus Christ here either because the only true God is said to have sent Jesus Christ just like 1 John 5:20 says.

The next verse supports these two preceding verses and teaches that Jesus is not God, rather, that he was sent by God as confirmed in these two verses above.

John 8:42
Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me.

You have just been shown two or three witness verses that clearly state that God sent his son into the world and that this God who has a son is the only true God.

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  • #284458
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 12 2012,18:29)
    kerwin,
    answer my question. do not run and hide
    read your illusion in phil 2.6

    actually, the topic is 1 john 5.20 but you are too much. you are giving wrong meanings to the bible and you are making people fool.

    read your opinion.
    you said:So a mature believer being in the form of God,

    where can i read that in phil 2.6??

    are you afraid to answer my question???
    you may ask for help boy.


    Jammin,

    I have already answered your question but your ears do not hear and your eyes do not see.  I can do nothing about that and so I have nothing further to add to the conversation at this time.

    #284511
    jammin
    Participant

    you have no answer kerwin

    you are just making stories. you cant read your opinion in phil 2.6

    kerwin,
    answer my question. do not run and hide
    read your illusion in phil 2.6

    you are giving wrong meanings to the bible and you are making people fool.

    read your opinion.
    you said:So a mature believer being in the form of God,

    where can i read that in phil 2.6??

    are you afraid to answer my question???
    you may ask for help boy.

    #284512
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 13 2012,06:13)

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 12 2012,23:28)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 12 2012,14:35)

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 12 2012,13:25)
    nick,
    christ also means the son of GOD mat 16.16

    luke 2
    11 Your savior is born today in David’s city. He is Christ the Lord

    there is no jordan river there. btter luck next time boy


    Hi Jammin,
    Peter said Jesus was the Christ, the Son of the living God.

    Yes Jesus became the Christ and the firstborn from the dead at the Jordan.


    you said:
    Yes Jesus became the Christ

    where can i read at the jordan river that God said you became Christ now at the jordan river??

    you may ask for help


    Hi Jammin,
    Yes the man Jesus was anointed at the Jordan
    Did you not know CHRIST means ANOINTED?
    Lk 4.18


    the word Christ also means the Son of GOD!
    mat 16.16

    16 Simon Peter said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

    where can i read at the jordan river that God said you became Christ now at the jordan river??

    #284523
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,
    The placement after THE CHRIST, is not an indication the meaning is the same.
    But he was made Christ and the firstborn from the dead at the Jordan.
    The rest of the DEAD, like us, can follow him into the light.

    #284526
    jammin
    Participant

    nick

    do not explain
    answer first my question

    where can i read in the bible  that God said you became Christ now at the jordan river??

    #284554
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 11 2012,23:11)

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 11 2012,14:45)

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 10 2012,14:47)
    Hi Jammin,

    You will certainly learn about the “Subject” and “Object”
    within a paragraph when you take High School English.

    God bless
    Ed J


    Hi Jammin,

    1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come (Object: God's Son), and hath given us an understanding,
    that we may know him that is true(Subject: God), and we are in him that is true(Subject: God),
    even in his Son Jesus Christ(Object). This is the true God(Subject), and eternal life.

    1 Tim 1:16-17 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might show forth all
    longsuffering(Object: God's Son), for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
    Now(Subject: God) unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

    “Subject” and “Object” are a part of every paragraph structure. You will learn all about this when you take High School English.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Christ is not a false GOD. he is truly GOD!
    that's what john wants to tell us in 1 john 5.20

    the father is the true GOD
    the son is the true GOD

    they have the same nature, GOD!


    Hi Jammin.

    John is telling us in 1John 5.20, that Eternal life is in the Father, and was put in his only begotten Son, and can be in us as well.

    1 John 1:1-4 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes,
    which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; (For the life was manifested,
    and we have seen it, and bear witness, and show unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father,
    and was manifested unto us;
    ) That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may
    have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
    And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #284556
    jammin
    Participant

    edj,

    Christ and the father have the same nature, GOD

    Christ is not a false god.
    he is truly GOD! just like his father who is Truly GOD!

    you have the nature of man, you are truly man! did you get my point?

    1 John 5:20

    GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)

    20We know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding so that we know the real God. We are in the one who is real, his Son Jesus Christ. This Jesus Christ is the real God and eternal life.

    #284575
    kerwin
    Participant

    To all,

    Genesis 41:38

    King James Version (KJV)

    38And Pharaoh said unto his servants, Can we find such a one as this is, a man in whom the Spirit of God is?

    Genesis 41:38

    New American Standard Bible (NASB)
    Joseph Is Made a Ruler of Egypt
    38 Then Pharaoh said to his servants, “Can we find a man like this, in whom is a divine spirit?”

    Are both these translations correct?

    #284582
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 13 2012,14:56)
    edj,

    Christ and the father have the same nature, GOD

    Christ is not a false god.
    he is truly GOD! just like his father who is Truly GOD!

    you have the nature of man, you are truly man! did you get my point?

    1 John 5:20

    GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)

    20We know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding so that we know the real God. We are in the one who is real, his Son Jesus Christ. This Jesus Christ is the real God and eternal life.


    Hi Jammin,

    What is a “GW”?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #284584
    jammin
    Participant

    edj,

    is your nature man false?

    #284588
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 13 2012,16:34)
    edj,

    is your nature man false?


    Hi Jammin,

    2 Peter 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious
    promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature,
    having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

    Rev 3:21-22 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne,
    even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
    He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #284590
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,

    Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took
    part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

    Heb 2:15-17 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
    For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
    Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful
    and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #284637
    jammin
    Participant

    edj,

    do not explain. answer my question
    is your nature man false?

    yes or no?

    #284638
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 13 2012,23:36)
    edj,

    do not explain. answer my question
    is your nature man false?

    yes or no?


    Hi Jammin,

    Rom.12:1-2 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies
    a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not
    conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that
    ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
    Has what Rom.12:1-2 says happened to you yet; yes or no?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #284645
    jammin
    Participant

    edj,

    do not explain. answer my question
    is your nature man false?

    yes or no?

    #284653
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,
    Nature man?

    #284783
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 14 2012,01:50)
    edj,

    do not explain. answer my question
    is your nature man false?

    yes or no?


    Hi Jammin,

    I see that you refused to answer my question, but here is the answer to your question…
    Col 3:9-10 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; And
    have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
    Eph 4:24-25 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
    Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbor: for we are members one of another.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #284824
    jammin
    Participant

    edj
    ill repeat. you nature is man
    is it false or not?

    #284826
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,

    Perhaps you did not understand my answer?
    My nature is the “New Man”! (see Eph.4:24)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #284833
    jammin
    Participant

    im not asking about the new man.

    are you a man or not?
    is it false or not?

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