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1 John 5:20

Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

Read this part slowly:

“And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ.”

The true one mentioned in this verse, has to be the Father. Why?

Because it clearly says, We are in HIM who is true, by being in HIS son.

Who is the son mentioned here? It is Jesus Christ.

Who is the one who is true that has a son? Well that has to be the Father because Jesus never had a son did he? If you hold the view that Jesus is the one true God in this verse, then you have to conclude that Jesus has a son called Jesus because the one who is true has a son called Jesus according to the verse.

So by this very simple, clear, and reasonable reading of the text, we can see that the Father is the one who is true and we are in the Father because we are in HIS son. That is the only way you can read this verse.

Do you need further proof? Well look at John 17:3:
Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

As you can see, the only true God is not Jesus Christ here either because the only true God is said to have sent Jesus Christ just like 1 John 5:20 says.

The next verse supports these two preceding verses and teaches that Jesus is not God, rather, that he was sent by God as confirmed in these two verses above.

John 8:42
Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me.

You have just been shown two or three witness verses that clearly state that God sent his son into the world and that this God who has a son is the only true God.

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  • May 14, 2012 at 9:18 am#298031
    jammin
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    edj,

    that is what the dictionary says.

    study hard boy LOL

    May 15, 2012 at 4:00 pm#298155
    Ed J
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    Quote (jammin @ May 14 2012,05:29)

    Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,05:24)

    Quote (jammin @ May 14 2012,05:08)

    Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,04:54)

    Quote (jammin @ May 14 2012,04:44)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 14 2012,04:33)
    Are you saying the literal Latin WORD for “christ” is “x”?


    comes from latin
    an abbreviation for christian


    Latin? You don't know any Greek, do you?

    [Jesus(74)] Ιησους=74(x12), [Christ] Χριστоς=74(x20).

    (LINK to the thread THAT PROVES GOD’s EXISTENCE)


    i know that edj boy LOL

    i was talking about latin and not greek LOL


    Christ: in Latin is Christi


    christus is the latin for christ.

    meaning christian
    the x comes from latin and is the latin letter for christ, i.e. x-tian means christ-tian or christian

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=xtian

    if you dont want to accept this,, make your own dictionary boy LOL
    :D


    Hi Jammin,

    I have shown you that the X comes from Greek not Latin.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    May 16, 2012 at 3:30 am#298284
    jammin
    Participant

    im talkng about latin boy.
    make your own dictionary LOL

    May 30, 2012 at 7:08 pm#300124
    carmel
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 26 2012,04:01)
    hi caarmel. i read the whole chapter 17 of john but i cant read your belief.
    can you give e the exact verse.

    you said that the holy spirit has his own spirit. where  is that in john 17?


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    you said that the holy spirit has his own spirit. where  is that in john 17?

    Jammin,

    I said that all John 17 is a proof that the Holy Spirit is a person.

    If I ask you:

    HOW DID JESUS ACHIEVE ALL WHAT HE WAS REFERRING TO,WHICH COMMENCED BY HIS GLORIFICATION, SINCE HE WAS DEAD,FOR THREE DAYS.

    YOU SIMPLY SAY THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT.

    SO THE HOLY SPIRIT DID HIS WORK,AND TO DO HIS WORK HE HAD TO BE A PERSON.

    ALSO JESUS WAS A HUMAN BEING,AND WITHIN HIS SOUL HAD THE FATHER'S SPIRIT,BUT THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT.THE FATHER REMAINED IN HEAVEN.

    THIS WAS DEMONSTRATED IN JOHN 3:34 WHICH SAYS THAT HE GIVES THE SPIRIT WITHOUT MEASURE, THEREFORE ALL THE HOLY SPIRIT, PLUS THE FULL POWER FROM THE FATHER WAS WITHIN JESUS' SOUL. THE ONLY WAY TO BE GOD ON EARTH,AS MAN. ALSO BAPTISM IS TO BE MADE :

    IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER,THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT,AND SINCE  THE THREE OF THEM ARE IN THE SAME POWER, THEY ALL ARE PERSONS.

    TO CONCLUDE:

    1 Corinthians 12:11But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

    Notice : it ends: AS HE WILL, and that is a reference to the Holy Spirit,and since the Holy Spirit has a will therefore HE IS A PERSON.

    PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS

    CHARLES

    May 30, 2012 at 7:11 pm#300126
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Charles,
    Of course the Father's Spirit IS the Holy Spirit.
    Now the Lord Jesus Christ is able to be known through that Spirit too.

    “We will come to you..”

    May 30, 2012 at 7:22 pm#300134
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 31 2012,06:11)
    Hi Charles,
    Of course the Father's Spirit IS the Holy Spirit.
    Now the Lord Jesus Christ is able to be known through that Spirit too.

    “We will come to you..”


    Yes Nick,

    A personal “Pentecost” is available to all.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    May 30, 2012 at 7:34 pm#300135
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Quite right Ed
    Acts 2.39

    May 31, 2012 at 6:49 pm#300248
    barley
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 04 2012,23:44)

    Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 04 2012,16:32)
    Jammin,

    Your lack of knowledge is self evident in the asking of the question since Christ is translated as Anointed.  David was a Christ as were other kings and priests.  God is not anointed as there is no one to anoint him as he is the one true God. So the basic question is absurd.

    The lesson of 1 John 5:20 is that a believer is in Jesus through the Saintly Spirit and in Yahweh by that same Spirit.  It is only through the spirit of Jesus, whom was tempted as is common to man but without sin, that Yahweh can be in anyone.  That is why Jesus is the way.

    Have you not heard these things before.


    the topic here is that christ is the true GOD in 1 john 5.20 but mike does not believe it.

    so if you believe that christ is not the true GOD in 1 john 5.20 then you may help mike to prove your opinion.

    stick to the topic


    Jesus Christ is not the true God,

    Jesus Christ is the son of the true God.

    The book of John is about fellowship.

    This is the true God, that we have fellowship with the Father and with son Jesus Christ and with our fellow believers.

    I John 1:3-5 “That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
    4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
    5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.”

    That is what what the true God is all about.

    “And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”

    “This” the understanding, that we can and should seek fellowship with God and his son and our fellow believers.

    “This” understanding is what the true God is all about.

    “This” fellowship is all about love and light and walking in love and light.

    “This” is all possible because of what God did in Christ Jesus.

    May 31, 2012 at 7:14 pm#300249
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Good stuff B.

    May 31, 2012 at 9:19 pm#300256
    carmel
    Participant

    Quote (barley @ June 01 2012,05:49)

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 04 2012,23:44)

    Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 04 2012,16:32)
    Jammin,

    Your lack of knowledge is self evident in the asking of the question since Christ is translated as Anointed.  David was a Christ as were other kings and priests.  God is not anointed as there is no one to anoint him as he is the one true God. So the basic question is absurd.

    The lesson of 1 John 5:20 is that a believer is in Jesus through the Saintly Spirit and in Yahweh by that same Spirit.  It is only through the spirit of Jesus, whom was tempted as is common to man but without sin, that Yahweh can be in anyone.  That is why Jesus is the way.

    Have you not heard these things before.


    the topic here is that christ is the true GOD in 1 john 5.20 but mike does not believe it.

    so if you believe that christ is not the true GOD in 1 john 5.20 then you may help mike to prove your opinion.

    stick to the topic


    Jesus Christ is not the true God,

    Jesus Christ is the son of the true God.

    The book of John is about fellowship.

    This is the true God, that we have fellowship with the Father and with son Jesus Christ and with our fellow believers.

    I John 1:3-5  “That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
    4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
    5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.”

    That is what what the true God is all about.

    “And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”

    “This” the understanding, that we can and should seek fellowship with God and his son and our fellow believers.

    “This” understanding is what the true God is all about.

    “This” fellowship is all about love and light and walking in love and light.

    “This” is all possible because of what God did in Christ Jesus.


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    “And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”

    Barley,

    Read the above again!

    And it is clear enough, that although God existed eternally, He only became the true God through His Son.

    The Father glorified through His Son.

    When we address the Father we must address Him through His Son in order to be certain that we are directing our comunication to the RIGHT TRUE GOD.

    THEREFORE NOT JUST GOD

    BUT THE TRUE GOD AND JESUS CHRIST.

    JESUS CHRIST ESTABLISHED THE TRUTH OF GOD. HE IS THE TRUTH.

    HE IS THE ONLY TRUE VISIBLE GOD EVER.

    THE FATHER COULD ONLY BE MANIFESTED THROUGH JESUS.

    THE FATHER WOULD BE MANIFESTED FOREVER AND EVER ON THE LAST DAY THROUGH JESUS MYSTICAL BODY!!

    JESUS WAS CLEAR:

    ONLY THROUGH JESUS WE REACH THE FATHER!!

    ONLY JESUS WITH THE GLORY OF THE FATHER WILL COME  TO JUDGE ALL OF US AS THE ONLY TRUE VISIBLE GOD.

    READ AND REFLECT

    John:10 38But if I do, though you will not believe me, believe the works: that you may know and believe that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.

    John 14:1 LET not your heart be troubled.

    YOU BELIEVE IN GOD,BELIEVE ALSO IN ME.( NOT JUST GOD,BUT WE MUST INCLUDE JESUS TO CONFIRM THE TRUE GOD)

    2 In my Father's house there are many mansions. If not, I would have told you: because I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I shall go, and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and will take you to myself; that where I am, you also may be. 4 And whither I go you know, and the way you know. 5 Thomas saith to him: Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? 6 Jesus saith to him:

    I AM THE WAY,  AND THE THE TRUTH, AND THE LIFE,

    ( OK THE LIFE IS ONLY IN JESUS THEREFORE GOD.) NO MAN COMETH TO THE FATHER, BUT BY ME

    ( OUR HOPE ,OUR TRUST, IS ONLY IN JESUS' MERCY THEREFORE JESUS IS THE TRUE GOD,SINCE ONLY BY HIM WE ARE SAVED. IT IS CLEAR ENOUGH THE FATHER IS A SPIRIT,THE SON IS BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH THEREFORE THE TRUE GOD SINCE HE IS BOTH, OUR GOD AS FLESH BEINGS,AND OUR GOD AS SPIRITUAL IN OUR SOULS,THE FATHER IS ONLY SPIRIT,

    ( He is not in the position to be aware of our difficulty to live a spiritual life,so He will not be able to judge us in the truth,in relation to our carnal substance. THIS IS FUNDAMENTAL. THIS WAS THE ONLY ASSET THAT SATAN BELIEVED IN, BUT SINCE JESUS BECAME GOD IN  FLESH, AND WAS TAKEN BY SATAN TO HELL BY MISTAKE,SATAN LOST THE WAR )

    SO HE IS NOT OUR GOD IN THE TRUTH, THAT IS WHY HE CANNOT JUDGE US, THE FATHER CANNOT AS A SPIRIT UNDERSTAND OUR WEAKNESSES AS FLESH,BUT THE SON CAN SINCE HE WAS MAN. THE FATHER ACCEPTS ALL FLESH TO BE JUDGED BY JESUS AS THE ONLY GOD IN FLESH  )

    7 If you had known me, you would without doubt have known my Father also: and from henceforth you shall know him, and you have seen him.

    8 Philip saith to him: Lord, shew us the Father, and it is enough for us. 9 Jesus saith to him:

    HAVE I BEEN SO LONG A TIME WITH YOU; AND HAVE NOT
    KNOWN ME? PHILIP, HE THAT SEETH ME SEETH THE FATHER ALSO.

    How sayest thou, Shew us the Father? 10 Do you not believe, that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak to you, I speak not of myself. But the Father who abideth in me, he doth the works. 11 Believe you not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    May 31, 2012 at 9:31 pm#300258
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Charles,
    God BECAME the true God?
    Who is your god?

    May 31, 2012 at 9:36 pm#300259
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,
    This is full of MYSTICAL speculation.
    Stick to revelation

    June 1, 2012 at 1:43 am#300304
    barley
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 01 2012,06:14)
    Good stuff B.


    Nick,

    Thanks.

    Vito

    June 1, 2012 at 5:33 am#300367
    journey42
    Participant

    Quote (carmel @ May 31 2012,06:08)

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 26 2012,04:01)
    hi caarmel. i read the whole chapter 17 of john but i cant read your belief.
    can you give e the exact verse.

    you said that the holy spirit has his own spirit. where  is that in john 17?


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    you said that the holy spirit has his own spirit. where  is that in john 17?

    Jammin,

    I said that all John 17 is a proof that the Holy Spirit is a person.

    If I ask you:

    HOW DID JESUS ACHIEVE ALL WHAT HE WAS REFERRING TO,WHICH COMMENCED BY HIS GLORIFICATION, SINCE HE WAS DEAD,FOR THREE DAYS.

    YOU SIMPLY SAY THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT.

    SO THE HOLY SPIRIT DID HIS WORK,AND TO DO HIS WORK HE HAD TO BE A PERSON.

    ALSO JESUS WAS A HUMAN BEING,AND WITHIN HIS SOUL HAD THE FATHER'S SPIRIT,BUT THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT.THE FATHER REMAINED IN HEAVEN.

    THIS WAS DEMONSTRATED IN JOHN 3:34 WHICH SAYS THAT HE GIVES THE SPIRIT WITHOUT MEASURE, THEREFORE ALL THE HOLY SPIRIT, PLUS THE FULL POWER FROM THE FATHER WAS WITHIN JESUS' SOUL. THE ONLY WAY TO BE GOD ON EARTH,AS MAN. ALSO BAPTISM IS TO BE MADE :

    IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER,THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT,AND SINCE  THE THREE OF THEM ARE IN THE SAME POWER, THEY ALL ARE PERSONS.

    TO CONCLUDE:

    1 Corinthians 12:11But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

    Notice : it ends: AS HE WILL, and that is a reference to the Holy Spirit,and since the Holy Spirit has a will therefore HE IS A PERSON.

    PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS

    CHARLES


    Hi Carmel

    The holy spirit is not a person.  It is what comes forth out of God, the spirit of truth.  There is power in this type of truth.

    Jesus was given the holy spirit as well.  The holy spirit was abiding in him, and God gave it to him.
    We are also promised the holy spirit if we seek with a pure heart.
    The holy spirit did not become flesh, the Word did.
    The holy spirit delivers the truth and the power of the Word.
    If we start understanding the scriptures, then the holy spirit is there directing, nudging, guiding & revealing.  It has to grow inside us.
    The more we feed, and learn, the more our measure increases of the holy spirit.

    Jesus had the full measure of the holy spirit, he was tuned in completely with the Father…on the same frequency.
    He wants us to have the same, the fullness of it, to perfectly know God's will.

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    IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER,THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT,AND SINCE  THE THREE OF THEM ARE IN THE SAME POWER, THEY ALL ARE PERSONS

    This does not prove they are 3 persons.  This proves that they are working in unity.  God, his Son & truth.

    Another thing to consider;
    when the Lamb opened up the seals in heaven, who was there to witness?
    …and round about the throne of God were 24 elders, seven spirits of God, four beasts, and thousands of angels.
    So why is the holy spirit not mentioned if it is a person?

    Just trying to give you something to consider.

    June 1, 2012 at 5:46 am#300370
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Georgie,

    Is the spirit of you a person?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    June 1, 2012 at 5:54 am#300371
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (journey42 @ June 01 2012,16:33)
    The holy spirit did not become flesh, the Word did.


    Hi Georgie, they are synonymous with each other. (2 Cor 5:19 explains John 1:14)

    “God was  in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us
    “The word” of reconciliation.” (2 Cor 5:19)

    In the beginning was the Word,
    and the Word was with God,
    and the Word was God.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    June 1, 2012 at 5:57 am#300372
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (journey42 @ June 01 2012,16:33)
    So why is the holy spirit not mentioned if it is a person?


    Acts 5:3-4 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the HolySpirit,
    and to keep back part of the price of the land? 4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own?
    and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing
    in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

    June 1, 2012 at 7:21 am#300378
    journey42
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ June 01 2012,16:46)
    Hi Georgie,

    Is the spirit of you a person?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Hi Ed

    Our bodies are the temple of God
    What spirit abides in us?
    the spirit of God, or the spirit of the world?

    That spirit in us is not a person. Then you would have to call God a person, which he is not. He is so much more than that. His will is inside us, and we listen to that voice.

    June 1, 2012 at 7:22 am#300379
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi J,
    The Holy Spirit only abides in your temple if it has been cleansed and filled.

    June 1, 2012 at 7:23 am#300380
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi J,
    The Spirit of God is the Spirit of God,
    not another person.

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