1 John 5:20

Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

Read this part slowly:

“And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ.”

The true one mentioned in this verse, has to be the Father. Why?

Because it clearly says, We are in HIM who is true, by being in HIS son.

Who is the son mentioned here? It is Jesus Christ.

Who is the one who is true that has a son? Well that has to be the Father because Jesus never had a son did he? If you hold the view that Jesus is the one true God in this verse, then you have to conclude that Jesus has a son called Jesus because the one who is true has a son called Jesus according to the verse.

So by this very simple, clear, and reasonable reading of the text, we can see that the Father is the one who is true and we are in the Father because we are in HIS son. That is the only way you can read this verse.

Do you need further proof? Well look at John 17:3:
Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

As you can see, the only true God is not Jesus Christ here either because the only true God is said to have sent Jesus Christ just like 1 John 5:20 says.

The next verse supports these two preceding verses and teaches that Jesus is not God, rather, that he was sent by God as confirmed in these two verses above.

John 8:42
Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me.

You have just been shown two or three witness verses that clearly state that God sent his son into the world and that this God who has a son is the only true God.

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  • #297371
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ May 11 2012,15:28)

    Quote (Ed J @ May 11 2012,15:10)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 11 2012,04:55)
    Hi Jammin,
    What are these DIVINE PRIVILEGES?


    I'd like to know what they are as well.     …well Jammin, what are they?


    form of a servant, of our own race, to serve his father. The divine glory was exchanged for human lowliness.


    What are DIVINE PRIVILEGES?

    #297375
    carmel
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ May 11 2012,14:59)

    Quote (carmel @ May 11 2012,03:56)
    Hi all,

    Isaiah 55:11 So shall my word ( JESUS) be, which shall go forth from my mouth:(EMANATED AS A SPIRIT) IT SHALL NOT RETURN TO ME VOID,  but it shall do whatsoever I please, and shall PROSPER in the things for which I sent it.( THEREFORE CREATED ALL,GLORIFIED, ESTABLISHED GOD'S SPIRIT WITHIN OUR CREATION THROUGH HIS BODY IN THE  CHURCH,AND HE IS THE HEAD,AND THE HEAD OF CHRIST IS GOD.THEREFORE JESUS IS GOD )

    peace and love in Jesus.
    Charles


    Hi Charles,

    You believe Isa 55:11 is about Jesus,
    where YHVH speaks of “His word”?
    I ask for clarification purposes.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


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    You believe Isa 55:11 is about Jesus

    Edj,

    Definitely sure of.

    THERE'S ONLY ONE WORD OF GOD. AND THAT IS JESUS.

    THAT WORD WAS MADE FLESH.

    WAS MADE FLESH TO ESTABLISH GOD'S ATTRIBUTES VISIBLY.

    WAS MADE FLESH TO REMAIN FLESH FOR EVER SINCE GOD IS ETERNAL AND JESUS IS ETERNAL LIFE,AND WHATEVER HE DOES IS ALWAYS ETERNAL

    WAS MADE FLESH TO MAKE US ETERNAL SINCE WE ARE FLESH.

    WAS MADE FLESH(MATTER) TO BE AMONG US ETERNALLY VISIBLE.

    WAS MADE FLESH(MATTER) TO JUDGE US ACCORDINGLY THROUGH NATURE, HIS SUBSTANCE.

    WAS MADE FLESH (MATTER) IN ORDER THAT ALL COULD BE DONE IN HIS NAME NO MATTER WHAT,EXCEPT SINS,

    SINCE HE WAS LIFTED UP AND ALL THINGS WENT ONTO HIMSELF.

    WAS MADE FLESH(MATTER) NOT TO HARM A SINGLE ENTITY,ELEMENT, IN THIS WORLD SINCE IT IS HIS SUBSTANCE,

    PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS.

    CHARLES

    #297378
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (carmel @ May 11 2012,16:34)

    Quote (Ed J @ May 11 2012,14:59)

    Quote (carmel @ May 11 2012,03:56)
    Hi all,

    Isaiah 55:11 So shall my word ( JESUS) be, which shall go forth from my mouth:(EMANATED AS A SPIRIT) IT SHALL NOT RETURN TO ME VOID,  but it shall do whatsoever I please, and shall PROSPER in the things for which I sent it.( THEREFORE CREATED ALL,GLORIFIED, ESTABLISHED GOD'S SPIRIT WITHIN OUR CREATION THROUGH HIS BODY IN THE  CHURCH,AND HE IS THE HEAD,AND THE HEAD OF CHRIST IS GOD.THEREFORE JESUS IS GOD )

    peace and love in Jesus.
    Charles


    Hi Charles,

    You believe Isa 55:11 is about Jesus,
    where YHVH speaks of “His word”?
    I ask for clarification purposes.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Quote
    You believe Isa 55:11 is about Jesus

    Edj,

    Definitely sure of.

    THERE'S ONLY ONE WORD OF GOD. AND THAT IS JESUS.

    PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS.
    CHARLES


    Hi cHARLE s,

    Is the bible not “The Word” of GOD?     …is the bible Jesus?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #297379
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (carmel @ May 11 2012,16:34)
    THAT WORD WAS MADE FLESH.

    WAS MADE FLESH TO ESTABLISH GOD'S ATTRIBUTES VISIBLY.

    WAS MADE FLESH TO REMAIN FLESH FOR EVER SINCE GOD IS ETERNAL AND JESUS IS ETERNAL LIFE,AND WHATEVER HE DOES IS ALWAYS ETERNAL

    WAS MADE FLESH TO MAKE US ETERNAL SINCE WE ARE FLESH.

    WAS MADE FLESH(MATTER) TO BE AMONG US ETERNALLY VISIBLE.

    WAS MADE FLESH(MATTER) TO JUDGE US ACCORDINGLY THROUGH NATURE, HIS SUBSTANCE.

    WAS MADE FLESH (MATTER) IN ORDER THAT ALL COULD BE DONE IN HIS NAME NO MATTER WHAT,EXCEPT SINS,

    SINCE HE WAS LIFTED UP AND ALL THINGS WENT ONTO HIMSELF.

    WAS MADE FLESH(MATTER) NOT TO HARM A SINGLE ENTITY,ELEMENT, IN THIS WORLD SINCE IT IS HIS SUBSTANCE,


    Hi Charles. (this is all point #1)

    Three big logic fallacies that I see presented here:

    1. Opinions: opinions are presented as evidence.
    2. Scenarios: scenarios are presented as proof.
    3. Consensus: consensus is seen as conformation.         (Link to thread)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #297398
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ May 11 2012,15:42)

    Quote (jammin @ May 11 2012,15:28)

    Quote (Ed J @ May 11 2012,15:10)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 11 2012,04:55)
    Hi Jammin,
    What are these DIVINE PRIVILEGES?


    I'd like to know what they are as well.     …well Jammin, what are they?


    form of a servant, of our own race, to serve his father. The divine glory was exchanged for human lowliness.


    What are DIVINE PRIVILEGES?


    his place in heaven
    The divine glory was exchanged for human lowliness.

    #297403
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,
    Angels are in heaven.
    Do they have DIVINE PRIVILEGES too?
    If he lost his DIVINE GLORY was he still DIVINE?

    #297410
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ May 11 2012,18:53)

    Quote (Ed J @ May 11 2012,15:42)

    Quote (jammin @ May 11 2012,15:28)

    Quote (Ed J @ May 11 2012,15:10)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 11 2012,04:55)
    Hi Jammin,
    What are these DIVINE PRIVILEGES?


    I'd like to know what they are as well.     …well Jammin, what are they?


    form of a servant, of our own race, to serve his father. The divine glory was exchanged for human lowliness.


    What are DIVINE PRIVILEGES?


    his place in heaven
    The divine glory was exchanged for human lowliness.


    Hi Jammin,

    Does “GOD” have this divine privilege as well?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #297411
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 11 2012,19:16)

    Quote (jammin @ May 11 2012,18:53)

    The divine glory was exchanged for human lowliness.


    Hi Jammin,
    Angels are in heaven.
    Do they have DIVINE PRIVILEGES too?

    Hi Nick,

    I believe they do. (Link)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #297414
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi ED,
    I am sure you have your personal reasons.
    However what is revealed is truly relevant.

    Col2.8

    #297419
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 11 2012,20:28)
    Hi ED,
    I am sure you have your personal reasons.
    However what is revealed is truly relevant.

    Col2.8


    Hi Nick, what philosophy are you referring to?

    “Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit,
    after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.” (Col 2:8)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #297428
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 11 2012,19:16)
    Hi Jammin,
    Angels are in heaven.
    Do they have DIVINE PRIVILEGES too?
    If he lost his DIVINE GLORY was he still DIVINE?


    they(angels) do not have the nature or form of GOD (possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God)

    #297429
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 11 2012,19:16)
    Hi Jammin,
    Angels are in heaven.
    Do they have DIVINE PRIVILEGES too?
    If he lost his DIVINE GLORY was he still DIVINE?


    yes of course he is still divine.

    we are talking about the glory

    #297430
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,
    Jesus Christ WAS in the form of God.

    #297431
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ May 11 2012,19:46)

    Quote (jammin @ May 11 2012,18:53)

    Quote (Ed J @ May 11 2012,15:42)

    Quote (jammin @ May 11 2012,15:28)

    Quote (Ed J @ May 11 2012,15:10)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 11 2012,04:55)
    Hi Jammin,
    What are these DIVINE PRIVILEGES?


    I'd like to know what they are as well.     …well Jammin, what are they?


    form of a servant, of our own race, to serve his father. The divine glory was exchanged for human lowliness.


    What are DIVINE PRIVILEGES?


    his place in heaven
    The divine glory was exchanged for human lowliness.


    Hi Jammin,

    Does “GOD” have this divine privilege as well?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    God the father is in heaven. he did not became flesh. but the son, he made himself nothing (of all privileges and rightful dignity). he became flesh and dwelt among us

    #297433
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 11 2012,21:19)
    Hi Jammin,
    Jesus Christ WAS in the form of God.


    yes before he became flesh.

    christ is truly GOD

    #297438
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,
    So to you God does not exist except as a generic FORM

    #297440
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ May 11 2012,21:22)

    Quote (Ed J @ May 11 2012,19:46)

    Quote (jammin @ May 11 2012,18:53)

    Quote (Ed J @ May 11 2012,15:42)

    Quote (jammin @ May 11 2012,15:28)

    Quote (Ed J @ May 11 2012,15:10)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 11 2012,04:55)
    Hi Jammin,
    What are these DIVINE PRIVILEGES?


    I'd like to know what they are as well.     …well Jammin, what are they?


    form of a servant, of our own race, to serve his father. The divine glory was exchanged for human lowliness.


    What are DIVINE PRIVILEGES?


    his place in heaven
    The divine glory was exchanged for human lowliness.


    Hi Jammin,

    Does “GOD” have this divine privilege as well?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    God the father is in heaven. he did not became flesh.  but the son, he made himself nothing (of all privileges and rightful dignity). he became flesh and dwelt among us


    Hi Jammin, why is it SOOO hard to get you to answer questions?

    Does “GOD” have the privilege of becoming human?     <– please answer THIS QUESTION

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #297441
    jammin
    Participant

    the son (who is GOD by nature) became flesh

    #297443
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 11 2012,21:40)
    Hi Jammin,
    So to you God does not exist except as a generic FORM


    the bible says God manifested in the flesh. not the father but the son (cristo)

    #297446
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Jammin, why is it SOOO hard to get you to answer questions?

    Does “GOD” have the privilege of becoming human?     <– please answer THIS QUESTION

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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