1 John 5:20

Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

Read this part slowly:

“And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ.”

The true one mentioned in this verse, has to be the Father. Why?

Because it clearly says, We are in HIM who is true, by being in HIS son.

Who is the son mentioned here? It is Jesus Christ.

Who is the one who is true that has a son? Well that has to be the Father because Jesus never had a son did he? If you hold the view that Jesus is the one true God in this verse, then you have to conclude that Jesus has a son called Jesus because the one who is true has a son called Jesus according to the verse.

So by this very simple, clear, and reasonable reading of the text, we can see that the Father is the one who is true and we are in the Father because we are in HIS son. That is the only way you can read this verse.

Do you need further proof? Well look at John 17:3:
Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

As you can see, the only true God is not Jesus Christ here either because the only true God is said to have sent Jesus Christ just like 1 John 5:20 says.

The next verse supports these two preceding verses and teaches that Jesus is not God, rather, that he was sent by God as confirmed in these two verses above.

John 8:42
Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me.

You have just been shown two or three witness verses that clearly state that God sent his son into the world and that this God who has a son is the only true God.

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  • #295857
    Ed J
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    Quote (jammin @ May 01 2012,16:28)
    who is Christ?


    Hi Jammin,

    “These are written, that ye might believe that
    Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God;” (John 20:31)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #295861
    jammin
    Participant

    case closed.

    he is the son of GOD who is God by nature. he is truly GOD

    #295867
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jammin ,
    Yes the first of many brothers born of the same divine Spirit.

    #295877
    jammin
    Participant

    nick,

    do you have the form of GOD or nature of GOD? you must be sick nick LOL

    #295881
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,
    You really need to lift your sights.
    You can be a son or daughter of God.
    Works of contempt buy you no favours

    #295887
    jammin
    Participant

    just answer the question nick .

    yes or no? LOL

    #295911
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ May 01 2012,22:46)

    Quote (jammin @ May 01 2012,20:23)
    nick,

    do you have the form of GOD or nature of GOD? you must be sick nick LOL


    just answer the question nick .

    yes or no? LOL


    You must really be confused, Jammin;
    you did not ask a yes/no question?

    How do you define: “form of GOD”  ? -and-
    how does that differ from: “nature of GOD”  ?

    If you don't define your terms, how can Nick answer?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #295923
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,
    Indeed the Word WAS in the form of God.
    The Word WAS God.

    The Word was made flesh in the vessel Jesus of Nazareth.

    #295952
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Nick,

    Can something that WAS God become “not God”?

    #295953
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (jammin @ April 30 2012,23:24)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 01 2012,11:35)

    Quote (jammin @ April 29 2012,22:32)
    what is the nature of GOD mike?


    Spirit, jammin.

    God and all of His heavenly sons have a spirit nature like their Father.


    study hard mike LOL

    you dont know the nature of GOD mike LOL


    Can you show me scripturally that God's NATURE is something other than “spirit”?

    #295957
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi MB,
    You ask
    “Can something that WAS God become “not God”? “

    Would logic be your guide to the ways of God?

    #295959
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi MB,
    God is soul.

    Matthew 12:18
    “ BEHOLD, MY SERVANT WHOM I HAVE CHOSEN; MY BELOVED IN WHOM MY SOUL is WELL-PLEASED; I WILL PUT MY SPIRIT UPON HIM, AND HE SHALL PROCLAIM JUSTICE TO THE GENTILES.

    #295963
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 01 2012,16:31)
    Hi MB,
    You ask
    “Can something that WAS God become “not God”? “

    Would logic be your guide to the ways of God?


    Is that a “YES” or a “NO”?

    #295964
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 01 2012,16:33)
    Hi MB,
    God is soul.

    Matthew 12:18
    “ BEHOLD, MY SERVANT WHOM I HAVE CHOSEN; MY BELOVED IN WHOM MY SOUL is WELL-PLEASED; I WILL PUT MY SPIRIT UPON HIM, AND HE SHALL PROCLAIM JUSTICE TO THE GENTILES.


    You mean that God HAS a soul, right?

    #295965
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi MB,
    Which tools should we use to find an answer?

    #295967
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi MB,
    You are soul.
    You do not have a soul.

    Man is made in the image of God.

    Ps 11

    4 The LORD is in His holy temple; the LORD’S throne is in heaven;
    His eyes behold, His eyelids test the sons of men.
    5 The LORD tests the righteous and the wicked,
    And the one who loves violence His soul hates.

    #295989
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 02 2012,16:43)
    Hi MB,
    You are soul.
    You do not have a soul.

    Man is made in the image of God.

    Ps 11

    4 The LORD is in His holy temple; the LORD’S throne is in heaven;
    His eyes behold, His eyelids test the sons of men.
    5 The LORD tests the righteous and the wicked,
    And the one who loves violence His soul hates.


    nick

    5 The LORD tests the righteous and the wicked,
    And the one who loves violence His soul hates.

    what this means ???

    is it the man that hates his soul ???
    or you think it is Gods soul that hates the one who love violence ?????

    #296010
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi T,
    The Lord God's.

    #296011
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi T,
    Prov 6
    16 There are six things which the LORD hates,
    Yes, seven which are an abomination to Him:
    17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue,
    And hands that shed innocent blood,
    18 A heart that devises wicked plans,
    Feet that run rapidly to evil,
    19 A false witness who utters lies,
    And one who [j]spreads strife among brothers.

    #296018
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 02 2012,09:29)

    Quote (jammin @ April 30 2012,23:24)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 01 2012,11:35)

    Quote (jammin @ April 29 2012,22:32)
    what is the nature of GOD mike?


    Spirit, jammin.

    God and all of His heavenly sons have a spirit nature like their Father.


    study hard mike LOL

    you dont know the nature of GOD mike LOL


    Can you show me scripturally that God's NATURE is something other than “spirit”?


    im not saying that God is not spiritual being. but mike you are ignoring the other attributes of GOD LOL

    i told you to study hard.

    mike do you believe as a GOD by nature you are all powerful? you are all knowing? these are some of the nature of GOD. if you are GOD by nature, you possess all of these.
    LOL :D

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