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1 John 5:20

Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

Read this part slowly:

“And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ.”

The true one mentioned in this verse, has to be the Father. Why?

Because it clearly says, We are in HIM who is true, by being in HIS son.

Who is the son mentioned here? It is Jesus Christ.

Who is the one who is true that has a son? Well that has to be the Father because Jesus never had a son did he? If you hold the view that Jesus is the one true God in this verse, then you have to conclude that Jesus has a son called Jesus because the one who is true has a son called Jesus according to the verse.

So by this very simple, clear, and reasonable reading of the text, we can see that the Father is the one who is true and we are in the Father because we are in HIS son. That is the only way you can read this verse.

Do you need further proof? Well look at John 17:3:
Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

As you can see, the only true God is not Jesus Christ here either because the only true God is said to have sent Jesus Christ just like 1 John 5:20 says.

The next verse supports these two preceding verses and teaches that Jesus is not God, rather, that he was sent by God as confirmed in these two verses above.

John 8:42
Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me.

You have just been shown two or three witness verses that clearly state that God sent his son into the world and that this God who has a son is the only true God.

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  • March 9, 2012 at 7:29 am#283852
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 09 2012,14:50)
    Hi Jammin,
    Just as Jesus Christ shares his Father's nature so can we.


    answer the question nick
    do not explain

    ill repeat

    do you have the nature of GOD or YOU CAN SHARE HIS NATURE???

    March 9, 2012 at 7:35 am#283853
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 09 2012,15:17)

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 09 2012,07:57)
    kerwin,

    that is just your opinion about 1 john 5.20

    Christ is also called the true GOD in 1 john 5.20

    make your own version kerwin

    better luck next time


    Jammin,

    :D

    Do you tell your English Teachers that is their opinion when they seek to teach you correct English use?

    Did you actually spot an flaw in what I stated? If so then speak up.


    1 john 5.20 does not say that christ is not true GOD.

    the father and the son have the same nature, GOD.
    the father is true GOD
    the son is also true GOD!

    for exmple, you and your father have the same nature ,MAN!

    your father is truly man
    and you are also truly man. unless you are an animal.

    it is very clear in `1 john 5.20 that john refers the sentence to Christ as the true GOD.

    let me post again the verse
    1 John 5:20

    English Standard Version (ESV)

    20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

    now go back in john 1.1

    john says the WORD is GOD!
    truly GOD!

    John 1:1

    Contemporary English Version (CEV)
    John 1
    The Word of Life
    1In the beginning was the one

    who is called the Word.

    The Word was with God

    and was truly God.

    not message or communication just like your imagination.

    read well. study hard.

    i think you do better if you start planting sweet potatoes and just sell it to the market rather than reading and giving wrong meanings to the bible.

    March 9, 2012 at 9:00 am#283861
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,
    The nature of God was revealed in Jesus Christ after his anointing.
    He displayed all the gifts and graces of God's Holy Spirit.
    We too can share in that amazing Spirit.

    He did not become God by doing so and neither do we.

    March 9, 2012 at 10:00 am#283863
    jammin
    Participant

    do not explain

    ill repeat

    do you have the nature of GOD or YOU CAN SHARE HIS NATURE???

    March 9, 2012 at 5:56 pm#283874
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,
    Jesus has the nature of man. He was born of woman.
    You cannot draw contrasts between one man and another according to nature.
    The same Spirit from above that made him the Christ is available to his brothers and sisters now giving them eternal life too.

    March 9, 2012 at 11:00 pm#283905
    kerwin
    Participant

    Jammin,

    Quote
    1 john 5.20 does not say that Christ is not true GOD.

    the father and the son have the same nature, GOD.
    the father is true GOD
    the son is also true GOD!

    for exmple, you and your father have the same nature ,MAN!

    your father is truly man
    and you are also truly man. unless you are an animal.

    You are addressing Philippians 2:5-8 which uses Jesus as an example of the mindset that is to be in believers.  So a mature believer being in the form of God, thinking it not robbery to be equal with God:  would make himself of no reputation, taking on him the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of humanity: Being found in the fashion of a human being, would humble himself, and face even a torturous death.  That is why Jesus is the pioneer and finisher of our faith.

    Philippians 2
    King James Version (KJV)

    5Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
    6Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
    7But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
    8And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

    Quote
    it is very clear in `1 john 5.20 that john refers the sentence to Christ as the true GOD.

    let me post again the verse
    1 John 5:20

    English Standard Version (ESV)

    20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

    It is not clear to those who understand English better than you appear to.  The mystery presented by the sentence in verse 20 is who is he that is true?  We also are taught that Jesus is his Son and gives understanding of him.  I assure you that Jesus does not teach that he reveals himself.  If you have trouble then read Jesus’ teaching in Luke 10:22 to aid your learning.

    Quote
    now go back in john 1.1

    john says the WORD is GOD!
    truly GOD!

    John 1:1

    Contemporary English Version (CEV)
    John 1
    The Word of Life
    1In the beginning was the one

     who is called the Word.

     The Word was with God

     and was truly God.

    That is a poor translation that often paraphrases.  A more literal translation like the English Standard Version you used above is a better choice to look into these things.

    John 1:1
    English Standard Version (ESV)

    1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    Here are a couple of Scriptures Wikipedia states are thought to be parallels.

    Luke 1:2
    English Standard Version (ESV)

    2  just as those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word have delivered them to us,

    1 John 1:1
    English Standard Version (ESV)

    1  That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we looked upon and have touched with our hands, concerning the word of life—

    March 10, 2012 at 3:18 am#283929
    jammin
    Participant

    nick,

    do not explain

    ill repeat

    do you have the nature of GOD or YOU CAN SHARE HIS NATURE???

    March 10, 2012 at 3:22 am#283930
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 10 2012,09:00)
    Jammin,

    Quote
    1 john 5.20 does not say that Christ is not true GOD.

    the father and the son have the same nature, GOD.
    the father is true GOD
    the son is also true GOD!

    for exmple, you and your father have the same nature ,MAN!

    your father is truly man
    and you are also truly man. unless you are an animal.

    You are addressing Philippians 2:5-8 which uses Jesus as an example of the mindset that is to be in believers.  So a mature believer being in the form of God, thinking it not robbery to be equal with God:  would make himself of no reputation, taking on him the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of humanity: Being found in the fashion of a human being, would humble himself, and face even a torturous death.  That is why Jesus is the pioneer and finisher of our faith.

    Philippians 2
    King James Version (KJV)

    5Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
    6Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
    7But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
    8And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

    Quote
    it is very clear in `1 john 5.20 that john refers the sentence to Christ as the true GOD.

    let me post again the verse
    1 John 5:20

    English Standard Version (ESV)

    20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

    It is not clear to those who understand English better than you appear to.  The mystery presented by the sentence in verse 20 is who is he that is true?  We also are taught that Jesus is his Son and gives understanding of him.  I assure you that Jesus does not teach that he reveals himself.  If you have trouble then read Jesus’ teaching in Luke 10:22 to aid your learning.

    Quote
    now go back in john 1.1

    john says the WORD is GOD!
    truly GOD!

    John 1:1

    Contemporary English Version (CEV)
    John 1
    The Word of Life
    1In the beginning was the one

     who is called the Word.

     The Word was with God

     and was truly God.

    That is a poor translation that often paraphrases.  A more literal translation like the English Standard Version you used above is a better choice to look into these things.

    John 1:1
    English Standard Version (ESV)

    1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    Here are a couple of Scriptures Wikipedia states are thought to be parallels.

    Luke 1:2
    English Standard Version (ESV)

    2  just as those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word have delivered them to us,

    1 John 1:1
    English Standard Version (ESV)

    1  That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we looked upon and have touched with our hands, concerning the word of life—


    you said:So a mature believer being in the form of God,

    where can i read that in phil 2.6??

    paul did not say “a mature believe being in the form of GOD”

    make your own version kerwin.

    you are really a false teacher.
    you like stories without basis.
    why dont you start planting sweet potatoes and sell it to the market. you could do better than reading and giving wrong meaning to the bible

    better luck next time

    March 10, 2012 at 3:25 am#283931
    jammin
    Participant

    pages are increasing but still the dreamer group cant prove their belief.

    Christ is Truly GOD!
    1 John 5:20

    GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)

    20We know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding so that we know the real God. We are in the one who is real, his Son Jesus Christ. This Jesus Christ is the real God and eternal life.

    March 10, 2012 at 4:47 am#283943
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,

    You will certainly learn about the “Subject” and “Object”
    within a paragraph when you take High School English.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    March 10, 2012 at 5:49 am#283957
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 10 2012,08:22)

    Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 10 2012,09:00)
    Jammin,

    Quote
    1 john 5.20 does not say that Christ is not true GOD.

    the father and the son have the same nature, GOD.
    the father is true GOD
    the son is also true GOD!

    for exmple, you and your father have the same nature ,MAN!

    your father is truly man
    and you are also truly man. unless you are an animal.

    You are addressing Philippians 2:5-8 which uses Jesus as an example of the mindset that is to be in believers.  So a mature believer being in the form of God, thinking it not robbery to be equal with God:  would make himself of no reputation, taking on him the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of humanity: Being found in the fashion of a human being, would humble himself, and face even a torturous death.  That is why Jesus is the pioneer and finisher of our faith.

    Philippians 2
    King James Version (KJV)

    5Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
    6Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
    7But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
    8And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

    Quote
    it is very clear in `1 john 5.20 that john refers the sentence to Christ as the true GOD.

    let me post again the verse
    1 John 5:20

    English Standard Version (ESV)

    20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

    It is not clear to those who understand English better than you appear to.  The mystery presented by the sentence in verse 20 is who is he that is true?  We also are taught that Jesus is his Son and gives understanding of him.  I assure you that Jesus does not teach that he reveals himself.  If you have trouble then read Jesus’ teaching in Luke 10:22 to aid your learning.

    Quote
    now go back in john 1.1

    john says the WORD is GOD!
    truly GOD!

    John 1:1

    Contemporary English Version (CEV)
    John 1
    The Word of Life
    1In the beginning was the one

     who is called the Word.

     The Word was with God

     and was truly God.

    That is a poor translation that often paraphrases.  A more literal translation like the English Standard Version you used above is a better choice to look into these things.

    John 1:1
    English Standard Version (ESV)

    1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    Here are a couple of Scriptures Wikipedia states are thought to be parallels.

    Luke 1:2
    English Standard Version (ESV)

    2  just as those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word have delivered them to us,

    1 John 1:1
    English Standard Version (ESV)

    1  That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we looked upon and have touched with our hands, concerning the word of life—


    you said:So a mature believer being in the form of God,

    where can i read that in phil 2.6??

    paul did not say “a mature believe being in the form of GOD”

    make your own version kerwin.

    you are really a false teacher.
    you like stories without basis.
    why dont you start planting sweet potatoes and sell it to the market. you could do better than reading and giving wrong meaning to the bible

    better luck next time


    Jammin,

    The topic of Philippians 2:5- is being of like Jesus in mind.  Jesus is then provided as an example.  

    Here is a parallel Scripture.

    Ephesians 4:13

    New American Standard Bible (NASB)
    13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the [a]knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ.

    Here is Scripture speaking of believers sharing the divine nature.

    2 Peter 1:4

    New American Standard Bible (NASB)
    4 [a]For by these He has granted to us His precious and magnificent promises, so that by them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world by lust.

    Footnotes:

       2 Peter 1:4 Lit Through which (things)

    Footnotes:

       Ephesians 4:13 Or true knowledge
       Ephesians 4:13 Lit of the fullness

    March 10, 2012 at 11:49 am#283974
    jammin
    Participant

    i do not need your explanation.
    read your illusion in phil 2.6

    if you are fool kerwin, do not make people fool

    actually, the topic is 1 john 5.20 but you are too much. you are giving wrong meanings to the bible and you are making people fool. you are a pig kerwin. you are a pig

    read your opinion.
    you said:So a mature believer being in the form of God,

    where can i read that in phil 2.6??

    you may ask for help boy.

    March 10, 2012 at 7:07 pm#284025
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,
    No sign of Jesus in heaven till after his ascension.
    Did you mean the WORD?

    March 10, 2012 at 7:48 pm#284041
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 11 2012,13:07)
    Hi Jammin,
    No sign of Jesus in heaven till after his ascension.
    Did you mean the WORD?


    N

    but the ones that tells us about Jesus Christ preexistence are the same persons that tells us about Jesus become the anointed

    how come you believe parts of their testimony and not the other ????????

    so you have a personal motive to accept certain thing from Gods word ??? and not others ????

    so you are judging the word and the servants of God ?????

    how can you be blessed with the holy spirit ?????

    Jn 17:20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message

    SO YOU CAN NOT BE ONE WITH CHRIST AND HIS FATHER

    Jn 17:21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.

    SO YOU ARE ONE OF THOSE WHO HAVE NOT BELIEVE IN THEIR MESSAGE.

    March 10, 2012 at 8:10 pm#284047
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 10 2012,16:49)
    i do not need your explanation.
    read your illusion in phil 2.6

    if you are fool kerwin, do not make people fool

    actually, the topic is 1 john 5.20 but you are too much. you are giving wrong meanings to the bible and you are making people fool. you are a pig kerwin. you are a pig

    read your opinion.
    you said:So a mature believer being in the form of God,

    where can i read that in phil 2.6??

    you may ask for help boy.


    Jammin,

    You seem to lack knowledge in many areas. The word 'example' I used means “one that serves as a pattern to be imitated or not to be imitated”.  Who does Philippians 2:5 state serves as a pattern to be imitated?

    What does 2 Peter 1:4 say believers may take part in?

    Note: Definition for example from Merriam-Webster online dictionary.

    March 11, 2012 at 2:14 am#284120
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 11 2012,06:07)
    Hi Jammin,
    No sign of Jesus in heaven till after his ascension.
    Did you mean the WORD?


    let me correct you
    When Christ became flesh, he was given a name JESUS.

    the Son of God (christ) was with GOD! the WORD (christ) was GOD!

    He was present originally with God.

    read john 1.1-2

    keep dreaming nick
    better luck next time

    March 11, 2012 at 2:15 am#284121
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 11 2012,07:10)

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 10 2012,16:49)
    i do not need your explanation.
    read your illusion in phil 2.6

    if you are fool kerwin, do not make people fool

    actually, the topic is 1 john 5.20 but you are too much. you are giving wrong meanings to the bible and you are making people fool. you are a pig kerwin. you are a pig

    read your opinion.
    you said:So a mature believer being in the form of God,

    where can i read that in phil 2.6??

    you may ask for help boy.


    Jammin,

    You seem to lack knowledge in many areas. The word 'example' I used means “one that serves as a pattern to be imitated or not to be imitated”.  Who does Philippians 2:5 state serves as a pattern to be imitated?

    What does 2 Peter 1:4 say believers may take part in?

    Note: Definition for example from Merriam-Webster online dictionary.


    ill repeat mr.piggy

    i do not need your explanation.
    read your illusion in phil 2.6

    if you are fool kerwin, do not make people fool

    actually, the topic is 1 john 5.20 but you are too much. you are giving wrong meanings to the bible and you are making people fool. you are a pig kerwin. you are a pig

    read your opinion.
    you said:So a mature believer being in the form of God,

    where can i read that in phil 2.6??

    you may ask for help boy.

    March 11, 2012 at 2:17 am#284123
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,
    Yes the Word was with God.
    But Jesus only became the anointed one at the jordan.

    March 11, 2012 at 2:28 am#284133
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 11 2012,13:17)
    Hi Jammin,
    Yes the Word was with God.
    But Jesus only became the anointed one at the jordan.


    the topic is about 1 john 5.20

    make your own thread

    btter luck next time

    March 11, 2012 at 3:08 am#284155
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,
    Two verse theology with wrong interpretation is not a secure place

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