1 John 5:20

Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

Read this part slowly:

“And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ.”

The true one mentioned in this verse, has to be the Father. Why?

Because it clearly says, We are in HIM who is true, by being in HIS son.

Who is the son mentioned here? It is Jesus Christ.

Who is the one who is true that has a son? Well that has to be the Father because Jesus never had a son did he? If you hold the view that Jesus is the one true God in this verse, then you have to conclude that Jesus has a son called Jesus because the one who is true has a son called Jesus according to the verse.

So by this very simple, clear, and reasonable reading of the text, we can see that the Father is the one who is true and we are in the Father because we are in HIS son. That is the only way you can read this verse.

Do you need further proof? Well look at John 17:3:
Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

As you can see, the only true God is not Jesus Christ here either because the only true God is said to have sent Jesus Christ just like 1 John 5:20 says.

The next verse supports these two preceding verses and teaches that Jesus is not God, rather, that he was sent by God as confirmed in these two verses above.

John 8:42
Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me.

You have just been shown two or three witness verses that clearly state that God sent his son into the world and that this God who has a son is the only true God.

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  • #290848
    mikeboll64
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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 07 2012,16:04)
    Hi Charles,
    Jesus was not a god.


    Nick,

    What did Jehovah mean when He foretold that Jesus would be called a mighty god?

    #290851
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi MB,
    Since Jesus Christ told us scripture calls men gods and Paul told us there were gods on earth [1Cor8]
    how would this help you plan to somehow show the man Jesus of Nazareth was a heavenly god in a previous life?r

    #290853
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 09 2012,13:29)
    Hi MB,
    Since Jesus Christ told us scripture calls men gods and Paul told us there were gods on earth [1Cor8]
    how would this help you plan to somehow show the man Jesus of Nazareth was a heavenly god in a previous life?r


    N

    His Jesus not the SON of GOD the almighty ???? what is your problem ,

    he is the first creation of God his father ,only this would place him has a god in heaven to all other creation ,

    now we all know on this forum YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN SCRIPTURES AND NOT BELIEVE JESUS CHRIST OF NAZARETH WHEN HE SAY “I CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN ” OR “MY FATHER SEND ME ” OR “THE WORD OF GOD WAS MADE FLESH WE SEEN HIM AND TOUCHED HIM ” OR ” THE ONE THAT IS COMING AFTER ME WAS BEFORE ME AND IS GREATER THAN ALL””

    AND MANY MORE ,so do not call others of not following scriptures ,you are the model in it .

    #290855
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t,
    Why offer us traditional theology when the word of God is alive and active?

    You still do not accept the teachings of Jesus the Lord?[jn 7.16-18]

    Who is your master?

    #290858
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 09 2012,13:57)
    Hi t,
    Why offer us traditional theology when the word of God is alive and active?

    You still do not accept the teachings of Jesus the Lord?[jn 7.16-18]

    Who is your master?


    N

    Jn 7:14 Not until halfway through the Feast did Jesus go up to the temple courts and begin to teach.
    Jn 7:15 The Jews were amazed and asked, “How did this man get such learning without having studied?”
    Jn 7:16 Jesus answered, “My teaching is not my own. It comes from him who sent me.
    Jn 7:17 If anyone chooses to do God’s will, he will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own.
    Jn 7:18 He who speaks on his own does so to gain honor for himself, but he who works for the honor of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him.
    Jn 7:19 Has not Moses given you the law? Yet not one of you keeps the law. Why are you trying to kill me?”
    Jn 7:20 “You are demon-possessed,” the crowd answered. “Who is trying to kill you?”

    even this scripture you do not believe in ,and it is you that quoting it

    IF CHRIST WOULD BE YOUR MASTER YOU WOULD NOT BE BLIND

    #290866
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi T,
    Read it again without your condemnation glasses on.

    #290877
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 09 2012,14:22)
    Hi T,
    Read it again without your condemnation glasses on.


    N

    :D :D :D :D

    #290880
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ April 09 2012,07:04)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 09 2012,13:57)
    Hi t,
    Why offer us traditional theology when the word of God is alive and active?

    You still do not accept the teachings of Jesus the Lord?[jn 7.16-18]

    Who is your master?


    N

    Jn 7:14 Not until halfway through the Feast did Jesus go up to the temple courts and begin to teach.
    Jn 7:15 The Jews were amazed and asked, “How did this man get such learning without having studied?”
    Jn 7:16 Jesus answered, “My teaching is not my own. It comes from him who sent me.
    Jn 7:17 If anyone chooses to do God’s will, he will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own.
    Jn 7:18 He who speaks on his own does so to gain honor for himself, but he who works for the honor of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him.
    Jn 7:19 Has not Moses given you the law? Yet not one of you keeps the law. Why are you trying to kill me?”
    Jn 7:20 “You are demon-possessed,” the crowd answered. “Who is trying to kill you?”

    even this scripture you do not believe in ,and it is you that quoting it

    IF CHRIST WOULD BE YOUR MASTER  YOU WOULD NOT BE BLIND


    Hi T,
    You do not believe the teachings of Jesus are from God.
    Yet you say others are blind?

    #290895
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 09 2012,16:34)

    Quote (terraricca @ April 09 2012,07:04)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 09 2012,13:57)
    Hi t,
    Why offer us traditional theology when the word of God is alive and active?

    You still do not accept the teachings of Jesus the Lord?[jn 7.16-18]

    Who is your master?


    N

    Jn 7:14 Not until halfway through the Feast did Jesus go up to the temple courts and begin to teach.
    Jn 7:15 The Jews were amazed and asked, “How did this man get such learning without having studied?”
    Jn 7:16 Jesus answered, “My teaching is not my own. It comes from him who sent me.
    Jn 7:17 If anyone chooses to do God’s will, he will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own.
    Jn 7:18 He who speaks on his own does so to gain honor for himself, but he who works for the honor of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him.
    Jn 7:19 Has not Moses given you the law? Yet not one of you keeps the law. Why are you trying to kill me?”
    Jn 7:20 “You are demon-possessed,” the crowd answered. “Who is trying to kill you?”

    even this scripture you do not believe in ,and it is you that quoting it

    IF CHRIST WOULD BE YOUR MASTER  YOU WOULD NOT BE BLIND


    Hi T,
    You do not believe the teachings of Jesus are from God.
    Yet you say others are blind?


    N

    were are your scriptures that supports your allegations ????

    #290897
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi T,
    When you can see the kingdom you will know that Jesus spoke the words of God.

    #290901
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 09 2012,17:20)
    Hi T,
    When you can see the kingdom you will know that Jesus spoke the words of God.


    N

    you can not see the kingdom ,but I can ,it you could see it you could tell about it right ??? but you can not tell about it ??

    you only follow religion ,men s teachings yours

    you do not even believe Christ own words why could see his kingdom ??? beat me this is a paradox

    #290909
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 08 2012,13:29)
    Hi MB,
    Since Jesus Christ told us scripture calls men gods and Paul told us there were gods on earth [1Cor8]
    how would this help you plan to somehow show the man Jesus of Nazareth was a heavenly god in a previous life?r


    That doesn't answer my question, Nick. Here it is again:

    What did Jehovah mean when He foretold that Jesus would be called a mighty god?

    #290916
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi MB,
    Scripture please.

    #290926
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Is 9:6

    #290930
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi MB,
    Is 9
    6For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

    The Holy Spirit is the Counsellor.
    He was called Emmanuel-God with us.
    As the people said “God has visited His people”

    In him is peace.

    This all speaks of the anointed Jesus.

    #290931
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    And is the anointed Jesus a god, Nick?

    #290933
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi MB,
    Are you asking about the flesh vessel or the treasure within?

    #290954
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 09 2012,19:07)
    Hi MB,
    Are you asking about the flesh vessel or the treasure within?


    N

    still confused in scriptures ???

    #290956
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi T,
    So you judge.

    #290958
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 09 2012,19:34)
    Hi T,
    So you judge.


    N

    you mean you still do not know ,or understand what you are saying ???

    Quote
    Are you asking about the flesh vessel or the treasure within?

    for your info ;Christ was a perfect gift and sacrifice;the vessel (flesh body) and his soul was perfect and free from sin even free of Adam sin ,

    so stop playing with the Lord person and subdue yourself to God

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