1 John 5:20

Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

Read this part slowly:

“And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ.”

The true one mentioned in this verse, has to be the Father. Why?

Because it clearly says, We are in HIM who is true, by being in HIS son.

Who is the son mentioned here? It is Jesus Christ.

Who is the one who is true that has a son? Well that has to be the Father because Jesus never had a son did he? If you hold the view that Jesus is the one true God in this verse, then you have to conclude that Jesus has a son called Jesus because the one who is true has a son called Jesus according to the verse.

So by this very simple, clear, and reasonable reading of the text, we can see that the Father is the one who is true and we are in the Father because we are in HIS son. That is the only way you can read this verse.

Do you need further proof? Well look at John 17:3:
Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

As you can see, the only true God is not Jesus Christ here either because the only true God is said to have sent Jesus Christ just like 1 John 5:20 says.

The next verse supports these two preceding verses and teaches that Jesus is not God, rather, that he was sent by God as confirmed in these two verses above.

John 8:42
Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me.

You have just been shown two or three witness verses that clearly state that God sent his son into the world and that this God who has a son is the only true God.

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  • #289277
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    I agree with you, Pierre.

    Too many people here want their own doctrine to be the “right” one, DESPITE what the scriptures actually teach. ???

    #289281
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi MB,
    You really are in a rut.
    When you are reborn from above you will see beyond the human view.

    #289282
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 02 2012,16:50)
    Hi MB,
    You really are in a rut.
    When you are reborn from above you will see beyond the human view.


    N

    reborn ?? how could you be reborn ,you do not even believe the one that calls to be reborn ,it beat me

    you must pretend to be reborn,right ?sound good that way,

    but the truth is showing other wise ,if you do not believe you are not born again

    #289288
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 02 2012,07:34)
    Ed,

    Can you show a scripture that makes it clear Jesus was NOT his name in heaven before he was named that on earth?


    Hi Mike,

                           Why Jesus was named [יהשוע] YÄ-shü-ă

    Jesus’ authentic Name [יהשוע] YÄ-shü-ă has a direct connection to GOD’s name [יה]
    in that YÄ is the first part of Jesus’ “REAL” name. GOD’s name is not vocalized in the
    English translation of the name Jesus and therefore misses the precise exactness
    and direct authentic connection to God’s Hebrew name [יה] YÄ. Jesus’ Hebrew name
    יהשוע means: (“YÄ is salvation” [יה]+[ישע]=[יהשוע]) the salvation of [GOD the Father].
    [יהשוע] “Jesus” REAL name authentically establishes [יהוה] “JEHOVAH” as the highest Name. (Psalm 83:18)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #289289
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 02 2012,07:34)
    Ed,

    I see that you are coming along nicely following in your father Nick's footsteps.


    Hi Mike,

    Since God's “HolySpirit” is father to both me and Nick (Eph.4:6),
    it's no wonder you would hear the same message from us both.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #289291
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi T,
    Does it sound like nonsense to you?
    1Cor 2.14

    #289293
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Nick, also in 2 Cor 2:14-17.

    2 Corinthians 2:14-17 Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and
    maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place.
    For we are unto God a sweet savour
    of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:
    To the one we are the savour of death unto death;
    and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things? For we are not as many,
    which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #289296
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (Ed J @ April 01 2012,17:23)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 02 2012,07:34)
    Ed,

    Can you show a scripture that makes it clear Jesus was NOT his name in heaven before he was named that on earth?


    Hi Mike,

                           Why Jesus was named [יהשוע] YÄ-shü-ă

    Jesus’ authentic Name [יהשוע] YÄ-shü-ă has a direct connection to GOD’s name [יה]
    in that YÄ is the first part of Jesus’ “REAL” name. GOD’s name is not vocalized in the
    English translation of the name Jesus and therefore misses the precise exactness
    and direct authentic connection to God’s Hebrew name [יה] YÄ. Jesus’ Hebrew name
    יהשוע means: (“YÄ is salvation” [יה]+[ישע]=[יהשוע]) the salvation of [GOD the Father].
    [יהשוע] “Jesus” REAL name authentically establishes [יהוה] “JEHOVAH” as the highest Name. (Psalm 83:18)

    God bless
    Ed J


    And what part of that says that he didn't already have the name “Jesus” before he was made into human likeness?

    #289297
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 01 2012,16:50)
    Hi MB,
    You really are in a rut.
    When you are reborn from above you will see beyond the human view.


    Nick,

    You really are in a rut.
    When you are reborn from above you will see beyond the human view.

    #289298
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (Ed J @ April 01 2012,17:23)
    Hi Mike,

    Since God's “HolySpirit” is father to both me and Nick (Eph.4:6),
    it's no wonder you would hear the same message from us both.


    Hmmmmm…………..

    Does Nick agree with you that the Holy Spirit is his Father?

    The point I was making is that you both post nonsense that isn't usually even related to the point the other person is making. Take your last post to me for example.

    #289301
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi MB,
    It is difficult to dialogue if you speak the language of the world.

    #289305
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Nick,

    It is difficult to dialogue if you speak the language of the world.

    #289310
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 02 2012,11:00)

    Quote (Ed J @ April 01 2012,17:23)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 02 2012,07:34)
    Ed,

    Can you show a scripture that makes it clear Jesus was NOT his name in heaven before he was named that on earth?


    Hi Mike,

                           Why Jesus was named [יהשוע] YÄ-shü-ă

    Jesus’ authentic Name [יהשוע] YÄ-shü-ă has a direct connection to GOD’s name [יה]
    in that YÄ is the first part of Jesus’ “REAL” name. GOD’s name is not vocalized in the
    English translation of the name Jesus and therefore misses the precise exactness
    and direct authentic connection to God’s Hebrew name [יה] YÄ. Jesus’ Hebrew name
    יהשוע means: (“YÄ is salvation” [יה]+[ישע]=[יהשוע]) the salvation of [GOD the Father].
    [יהשוע] “Jesus” REAL name authentically establishes [יהוה] “JEHOVAH” as the highest Name. (Psalm 83:18)

    God bless
    Ed J


    And what part of that says that he didn't already have the name “Jesus” before he was made into human likeness?


    Hi Mike, the bible says:

    Jesus existed in the form of “God”, not an angel as you 'think'.
    “And have believed that I came out from God.” (John 16:27)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #289311
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 02 2012,11:05)
    Hmmmmm…………..

    Does Nick agree with you that the Holy Spirit is his Father?


    Hi Mike,

    Why don't you ask him?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #289313
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Ed,

    Let me know if you ever post something that actually speaks to the subject of whether or not Jesus was named “Jesus” before he was made in human likeness.

    I don't have the time to post, “And what part of that says that he didn't already have the name “Jesus” before he was made into human likeness?” over and over again.

    #289320
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 02 2012,03:33)
    jammin,

    Please actually ADDRESS the verses I listed.  Address other people's points once in a while instead of always re-posting just one scripture over and over that you think proves your point.

    In doing so, you will learn as well as teach.

    I would like you to answer my question:

    Do you think it's possible that the angel told Mary to give the child the name “Jesus” because that was already his name in heaven?

    If not, why?


    mike cant you read the verse? LOL

    that name was given when the son of GOD became flesh

    wear your eyeglasses mike LOL

    #289324
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 02 2012,06:22)

    Quote (jammin @ April 02 2012,02:42)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 01 2012,07:09)

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 30 2012,13:59)
    Jesus is the Man nick. dont you see the verse???

    “they named him JESUS”

    the bible says that Christ (the son of GOD) became flesh, and dwelt among us. and when he was born by a woman, he was given a name JESUS.


    Hi Jammin,
    It actually says the WORD.
    Yes Jesus the man became the Christ by anointing.


    JOHN 1.1 says that the WORD IS CHRIST, the son of GOD. he is the CHRIST even before at the JORDAN RIVER!

    read your bible well. LOL


    Hi Jammin,
    John 1.1 does not say what you claim.
    Who needs glasses?


    really??

    let me post what the bible says
    John 1:1

    1The Word already was, way back before anything began to be. The Word and God were together. The Word was God.

    who is the WORD?

    he is the son of GOD!the WORD is CHRIST!

    John 1:14

    14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

    who is the son of GOD?
    Matthew 16:16

    16 Simon Peter answered, “You are [a]the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

    now who is the WORD again in john 1.1??

    the WORD is Christ. the son of GOD!

    John 1
    1IN THE beginning [before all time] was the Word ([a]Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself.

    that is what the bible says. if you cant read your opinion then
    make your version nick.

    LOL

    #289325
    jammin
    Participant

    btw, that is not the topic here. i just answered your question.

    you can continue this in the john 1.1 thread.

    this topic has been answered and it clearly says that Christ is the true GOD!
    the father is called the true GOD
    the son is also called the true GOD

    #289326
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,
    Yes the Word is the anointing on the Nazarene
    making him the Word

    #289342
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 02 2012,11:51)
    Ed,

    Let me know if you ever post something that actually speaks to the subject of whether or not Jesus was named “Jesus” before he was made in human likeness.

    I don't have the time to post, “And what part of that says that he didn't already have the name “Jesus” before he was made into human likeness?” over and over again.


    Hi Mike,

    That's because you don't have any Scripture to support your speculation.

    Jesus existed in the form of “God”, not an angel as you 'think'.
    “And have believed that I came out from God.” (John 16:27)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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