1 John 5:20

Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

Read this part slowly:

“And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ.”

The true one mentioned in this verse, has to be the Father. Why?

Because it clearly says, We are in HIM who is true, by being in HIS son.

Who is the son mentioned here? It is Jesus Christ.

Who is the one who is true that has a son? Well that has to be the Father because Jesus never had a son did he? If you hold the view that Jesus is the one true God in this verse, then you have to conclude that Jesus has a son called Jesus because the one who is true has a son called Jesus according to the verse.

So by this very simple, clear, and reasonable reading of the text, we can see that the Father is the one who is true and we are in the Father because we are in HIS son. That is the only way you can read this verse.

Do you need further proof? Well look at John 17:3:
Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

As you can see, the only true God is not Jesus Christ here either because the only true God is said to have sent Jesus Christ just like 1 John 5:20 says.

The next verse supports these two preceding verses and teaches that Jesus is not God, rather, that he was sent by God as confirmed in these two verses above.

John 8:42
Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me.

You have just been shown two or three witness verses that clearly state that God sent his son into the world and that this God who has a son is the only true God.

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  • #288626
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 29 2012,18:38)
    Hi MB,
    Did you not know that the Spirit in Christ Jesus said in jn8

    “I proceeded forth and came from God”?

    The Word was with God and the Word was God

    When will you believe?


    N

    like this one;

    ;Jn 8:6 They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.

    #288630
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Hey Nick,

    Are the meaningless insults your way of saying you CAN'T show me where it says “the Spirit in Christ” said those words? :)

    #288642
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi MB,
    Dig deeper

    #288644
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Isn't that what ended you up in that hole you can't seem to climb back out of? :)

    #288649
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi MB,
    Try 1 cor 2
    You really need to hear the Spirit

    #288653
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi MB,
    You really need to drop the earthly human wisdom[jas 3.15] when you approach the Words that are Spirit and life[Jn 6]

    #288663
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,
    The sun gives light and the moon gives light
    But the light of the moon
    is from the Sun.
    1Cor15

    #288672
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi MB,
    1 Corinthians 3:3
    for you are still fleshly. For since there is jealousy and strife among you, are you not fleshly, and are you not walking like mere men?

    We have to become spiritual.

    #288712
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 29 2012,07:45)
    Hi Jammin,
    Since you see three when God is one why would we need glasses?

    Jn1 talks of the Word-do you THINK this means the man from Nazareth?


    Jesus is the man.
    when Christ “BECAME FLESH”, he was given a name jesus.

    that's what the bible says.

    #288727
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,
    Not quite.
    That is what religious tradition says.

    #288770
    jammin
    Participant

    that is what bible says,

    Luke 2:21

    Contemporary English Version (CEV)
    21Eight days later Jesus' parents did for him what the Law of Moses commands. And they named him Jesus, just as the angel had told Mary when he promised she would have a baby.

    make your own version nick

    #288775
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,
    So Jesus was not in the beginning with God.

    #288914
    jammin
    Participant

    Jesus is the Man nick. dont you see the verse???

    “they named him JESUS”

    the bible says that Christ (the son of GOD) became flesh, and dwelt among us. and when he was born by a woman, he was given a name JESUS.

    #289011
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    jammin,

    Just out of curiosity, what makes you think he hasn't been named Jesus since the time God begot him before the ages?

    Many people have this same idea as you – that his name was something other than Jesus before he was made into a man, or that he didn't have a name back then at all.  I just wonder why, since there is no scripture alluding to this belief as far as I know.

    #289066
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 30 2012,13:59)
    Jesus is the Man nick. dont you see the verse???

    “they named him JESUS”

    the bible says that Christ (the son of GOD) became flesh, and dwelt among us. and when he was born by a woman, he was given a name JESUS.


    Hi Jammin,
    It actually says the WORD.
    Yes Jesus the man became the Christ by anointing.

    #289071
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 30 2012,00:26)
    Hi Jammin,
    Not quite.
    That is what religious tradition says.


    N

    NO that is what you can not accept there is a difference ,

    you don't even believe the anointed one :(

    #289094
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi T,
    Jammin said

    “the bible says that Christ (the son of GOD) became flesh, and dwelt among us.”

    Is this what the bible does say?

    #289099
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Jude 1
    25 to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.

    This scripture says he was “Jesus”, “Christ” and “Lord” before all ages.

    #289101
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi MB,
    Hi MB,
    Which manuscripts say this?
    Try ylt, kjv.

    Everything we do in Christ, including giving praise to God, is through Jesus Christ our Lord.

    #289103
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 01 2012,15:18)
    Hi T,
    Jammin said

    “the bible says that Christ (the son of GOD) became flesh, and dwelt among us.”

    Is this what the bible does say?


    N

    in witch order do you prefer it ???

    THE WORD OF GOD THAT IS THE SON OF GOD AND HIS ALSO JESUS CHRIST THE ANOINTED THAT CAME FROM ABOVE TO FULFILL ALL OF WHAT IS WRITTEN ABOUT HIM,AND THEN RETURN TO HIS FATHER (WERE HE CAME FROM)

    how is this ???

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