1 John 5:20

Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

Read this part slowly:

“And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ.”

The true one mentioned in this verse, has to be the Father. Why?

Because it clearly says, We are in HIM who is true, by being in HIS son.

Who is the son mentioned here? It is Jesus Christ.

Who is the one who is true that has a son? Well that has to be the Father because Jesus never had a son did he? If you hold the view that Jesus is the one true God in this verse, then you have to conclude that Jesus has a son called Jesus because the one who is true has a son called Jesus according to the verse.

So by this very simple, clear, and reasonable reading of the text, we can see that the Father is the one who is true and we are in the Father because we are in HIS son. That is the only way you can read this verse.

Do you need further proof? Well look at John 17:3:
Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

As you can see, the only true God is not Jesus Christ here either because the only true God is said to have sent Jesus Christ just like 1 John 5:20 says.

The next verse supports these two preceding verses and teaches that Jesus is not God, rather, that he was sent by God as confirmed in these two verses above.

John 8:42
Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me.

You have just been shown two or three witness verses that clearly state that God sent his son into the world and that this God who has a son is the only true God.

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  • #287400
    jammin
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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 25 2012,12:38)
    Ed,

    It was clear to all of us (including you) that David was using an example to show how weak jammin's sole proof is.

    It is also clear to all of us (including you) that you purposely took David's example and tried to make it seem as if David was really offering as proof the argument that since no scripture says Jesus is NOT Michael, then he must BE Michael.

    I was going to say something when I first read your twisted post, but then I figured that we are all aware of the games you play here.  I also figured David could handle himself.

    I only make this post now to show that David is not alone in recognizing the twisted game you attempted to play with him.


    do not explain mike.

    im still waiting for you answer.

    you and your father have the same nature, MAN. TRULY MAN!
    do you agree?

    #287403
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 25 2012,15:47)

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 25 2012,15:40)

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 25 2012,15:38)

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 25 2012,14:08)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 25 2012,12:38)
    Ed,

    It was clear to all of us (including you) that David was using an example to show how weak jammin's sole proof is.

    It is also clear to all of us (including you) that you purposely took David's example and tried to make it seem as if David was really offering as proof the argument that since no scripture says Jesus is NOT Michael, then he must BE Michael.

    I was going to say something when I first read your twisted post, but then I figured that we are all aware of the games you play here.  I also figured David could handle himself.

    I only make this post now to show that David is not alone in recognizing the twisted game you attempted to play with him.


    Hi Mike,

    There are no verses that say Jesus is(?) the word,
    yet you hold to it simply because there are no verses
    that say he is not; so I do understand your sensitivity. :)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    you are dreaming boy
    there is a verse that Christ is the WORD.

    but that cant be given to a pig
    btter luck next time.


    Hi Jammin,

    Where?   …post it.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    mat 7.6Give not that which is holy to the dogs, nor cast your pearls before the swine, lest they trample them with their feet, and turning round rend you.

    read your bible well and you can find it.


    I knew you didn't have one, for NONE exist!

    #287406
    jammin
    Participant

    that is your opinion. i suggest you read your bible well. never say never

    #287408
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,
    Why do you tell us to read the bible when you only partly understand about Three Verses?

    #287409
    jammin
    Participant

    are you sure???
    how about you? you understand nothing.
    that is why i suggest you read your bible well.

    #287415
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,
    You speak of the man Jesus?

    Was he not truly man?

    #287417
    jammin
    Participant

    Christ became flesh. of course he is truly MAN.

    Christ is Truly GOD and truly MAN.

    #287423
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 25 2012,16:12)
    Christ became flesh. of course he is truly MAN.

    Christ is Truly GOD and truly MAN.


    Hi Jammin,

    Do you mean 100% man “AND” 100% God equalling 200%?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #287424
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,
    No I mean Jesus of Nazareth.

    #287427
    jammin
    Participant

    do you understand your logic??

    Christ, the son of GOD, who is GOD by nature became flesh.

    of course when he became flesh, he is truly MAN. just like us. we are truly MAN.
    but the spirit inside the body is GOD, the SON OF GOD.

    #287429
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,
    Yes the Word is the anointing Spirit.
    The word was with God and the Word was God

    #287432
    jammin
    Participant

    hi nick,

    the WORD is not the HS.

    the Word is the son of GOD.

    there are 3 persons but one in nature, GOD

    the father
    the son
    and the HS

    #287436
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,
    Yes the Holy Spirit is more than the Word.
    In the Spirit you can also fellowship with his God.[2jn9]

    #287441
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 25 2012,16:44)
    hi nick,

    the WORD is not the HS.

    the Word is the son of GOD.

    there are 3 persons but one in nature, GOD

    the father
    the son
    and the HS


    Hi Jammin,

    One person and One God who's Spirit. (read John 4:24 and Eph.4:4-6)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #287442
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2012,16:48)
    Hi Jammin,
    Yes the Holy Spirit is more than the Word.
    In the Spirit you can also fellowship with his God.[2jn9]


    but the WORD in john 1.1 is not the HS. it refers to Christ, the son of GOD.

    now we may continue this topic to the john 1.1 thread. bec the topic here is about 1 john 5.20

    #287444
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 25 2012,16:56)

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 25 2012,16:44)
    hi nick,

    the WORD is not the HS.

    the Word is the son of GOD.

    there are 3 persons but one in nature, GOD

    the father
    the son
    and the HS


    Hi Jammin,

    One person and One God who's Spirit. (read John 4:24 and Eph.4:4-6)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    so you are oneness.

    that is not what the bible says.

    3 persons but one in nature, GOD.

    make a new thread about this topic

    we must stick to the topic here

    #287449
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Jammin, I have, and here it is:

    Trinity and non-Trinity, can both views be correct?

    Your brother
    in Christ, Jesus.
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    holycitybiblecode.org

    #287452
    jammin
    Participant

    ok tnx

    #287454
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,
    Who are these three persons?
    I think you got that from religion not scripture

    #287476
    jammin
    Participant

    the father, son and HS.

    let us discuss that topic in the other thread (trinity etc)

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