Supporting the Trinity Doctrine? – The Trinity Doctrine

Part 01 – The Trinity Doctrine
Part 02 – Who is the Most High God?
Part 03 – Who and what is Jesus?
Part 04 – The true meaning of ‘God’
Part 05 – Supporting the Trinity
Part 06 – Pre-Nicene writings
Part 07 – Development of the Trinity
Part 08 – Why challenge the Trinity
Part 09 – Trinity Doctrine conclusion
Part 10 – An Apostasy
Part 11 – 100 indisputable proof verses
Part 12 – What is your confession?
Part 13 – The Roman Catholic faith
Part 14 – Trinity Doctrine resources

This page is dedicated to the scriptures that people use when supporting the Trinity Doctrine. We look at why they are used to support this doctrine and test their hypothesis to see if they stand the test of scrutiny.

Each scripture is listed with a link to its own page showing biblical evidence as to why these are not supporting the Trinity Doctrine.

Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

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Is Jesus called God in 1 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)?

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

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Did Thomas call Jesus, his God in John 20:28 (KJV)?

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

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Because YHWH calls himself “I am” in Exodus 3:13-14, did Jesus claim to be Yahweh when he said “I am” in John 18:5-6?

5 “Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied. “I am he,” Jesus said. (And Judas the traitor was standing there with them.)
6 When Jesus said, “I am he,” they drew back and fell to the ground.

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1 John 5:7 lists the three so-called persons of the Trinity and says they are one. Does this prove the Trinity?

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

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Does Isaiah 9:6 prove the Trinity because it calls Jesus the mighty God?

For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”‘

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Does the baptismal formula in Matthew 28:19 prove the Trinity Doctrine?
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

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John 1:1 says the Word was God. Does that mean that Jesus is God because he is the Word?

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

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John 1:18 calls Jesus ‘the begotten God”. Does this prove that Jesus is God and provide support for the Trinity Doctrine?

“No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten God, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.”

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Is Jesus called the Alpha and Omega in Revelation 1:8, thus making him God?

8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

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Colossians 2:9-10 says that Christ is the fullness of the Deity. Does this make Jesus God?

9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,
10 and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority.

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Philippians 2:6 says he existed in the form of God. Is this scriptural proof that Jesus is God?
who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,.

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Does Mark 12:36 support the Trinity Doctrine because of the usage of ‘Lord’?

David himself, speaking by the Holy Spirit, declared: “`The Lord said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet.”

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Did Jesus claim to be God in John 10:33 according to an accusation made by some Jews?

“We are not stoning you for any of these,” replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

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Was Jesus inferring he was God in John 5:18-19 when the Jews said he was making himself equal with God ?

18 For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
19 Jesus gave them this answer: “I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.

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Does the word “us” in Genesis 1:26 mean that God consists of plural persons as the Trinity Doctrine teaches?

Then God said, ‘Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness

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Did Jesus infer that he was God in John 10:30 when he said he was one with the Father?

“I and the Father are one”.

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Hebrews 1:6 states that Jesus is worshipped by angels. Does that make him God?

And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.”

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Does Hebrews 1:8 state that God called Jesus, God?

But concerning the Son, “Your throne O God is forever and ever.”

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Does Isaiah 48:11 support of the Trinity Doctrine because God does not give his glory to another?

For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.

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Does Titus 3:4-6 support the Trinity Doctrine because God is called our saviour?

4 But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared,
5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,
6 whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior,

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Does Revelation 1:8 & Revelation 1:17-18 prove that God is a Trinity because of the term First and Last?

Revelation 1:8
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.
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Revelation 1:17-18
And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last.
“I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen.

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Does Deuteronomy 6:4 and Genesis 2:24 prove that God is a Trinity because ‘one’ means ‘unity’?

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.
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Genesis 2:24
For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.

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Does Isaiah 45:23 & Philippians 2:10-11 read together prove that Jesus is God because we will bow to God?

Isaiah 45:23
By myself I have sworn, my mouth has uttered in all integrity a word that will not be revoked:
Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear.
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Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

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Does 1 Peter 2:6-8 & Isaiah 8:12-15 read together prove that Jesus is God because he is the stumbling stone?

1 Peter 2: 6-8
6 For in Scripture it says: “See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame.”
7 Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe, The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone,”
8 and,“A stone that causes people to stumble and a rock that makes them fall.”
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Isaiah 8:12-15
11 For Jehovah spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me not to walk in the way of this people, saying,
12 Say ye not, A conspiracy, concerning all whereof this people shall say, A conspiracy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be in dread thereof .
13 Jehovah of hosts, him shall ye sanctify; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.
14 And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
15 And many shall stumble thereon, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken.

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Discussion

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November 10, 2013 at 7:27 pm#777470
DavidL
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Good teaching in support of the Trinity…
November 10, 2013 at 7:29 pm#777471
DavidL
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Part two…
November 10, 2013 at 7:31 pm#777472
DavidL
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Part three..
November 10, 2013 at 7:33 pm#777473
DavidL
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November 11, 2013 at 9:37 am#777474
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I quite like Chuck as a teacher. I think he does an outstanding job with other subjects. But he has been wrong before. He admitted for example that he has had to change his view on the last world empire. He use to teach that the EU or western leg was the final Beast, but has changed to the view to the eastern leg of the Roman Empire, where Islam is currently.

So don’t be surprised if one day he teaches against the Trinity Doctrine too. I mean, he is just teaching that which most teach and is following the mainstream. But one day, more will understand that God is calling us out of this Babylonian system, just as the day came for us to understand that salvation came from the grace of God and not by works or that the Roman Catholic Church was not the universal Body of Christ.

I am not sure what the trigger will be if indeed there will be one, but more and more people are waking up to the deception of this doctrine and are understanding that God is calling them out from this system of religion. But it will be hard for the older generation to change after decades of believing in a false doctrine.

Still the reality is that you post these videos here and know full well what Jesus said about the only true God. Thus because you have been given the light of Jesus words on who the one true God is, then it shows that you trust Chuck more than Jesus when it comes to the subject of who the only true God is.

Jesus said, “this is eternal life, that you may know the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom he has sent”. I am guessing that Chuck teaches in these videos that the one true God is made up of three persons, namely the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

I still side with Jesus here DavidL. Not even Chuck will sway me back to the Trinity Doctrine. Jesus wins every debate and all will be subject to him one day.
November 15, 2013 at 6:12 am#777475
DavidL
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You don’t fool me – if you sided with Jesus you’d believe the truth about Him….!
November 15, 2013 at 6:14 am#777476
DavidL
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Robbie Zacarias explains the Trinity…
November 15, 2013 at 6:23 am#777477
DavidL
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explaining the Trinity – ‘don’t try and put God in a box’….
November 15, 2013 at 6:34 am#777479
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We are not putting God in a box, we are letting scripture reveal God to us. I would say, don’t put God into a triangle.

November 15, 2013 at 6:38 am#777480
DavidL
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Illustration from C.S.Lewis…
November 15, 2013 at 6:40 am#777481
DavidL
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Very good diagram t8 – thanks..!
November 15, 2013 at 6:59 am#777482
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DavidL, the reason you post these videos is because you have no evidence of yourself that the Trinity Doctrine is scriptural. So you trust in these men to tell you who God is.

Jesus said: “this is eternal life, that you may know the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom he has sent.

In case you are confused by Jesus words, I will give you a few hints.

The only true God is the Father;
The only true God sent his son who is Jesus;
This truth is eternal life.

I believe this and teach this. And it is this that I am opposed. But it is not really me you oppose is it?
November 15, 2013 at 7:06 am#777483
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No problem DavidL. It is an idol. God made in an image devised by the human mind.

You might find this one interesting too.

November 15, 2013 at 11:28 am#777484
DavidL
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Not at all – the reason I post these videos is to show that not only is your teaching contrary to the clear revelation of Scripture, but also contrary to the teaching of all sound doctrine..
November 15, 2013 at 11:47 am#777485
DavidL
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Christian apologist Dr James White expresses his frustration over some Christians who have abandoned the doctrine of the Trinity…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqvgfsxedlc
November 15, 2013 at 11:56 am#777486
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Keymaster
Okay if that is true, then how do explain how Jesus was wrong when he said: “this is eternal life, that you may know the only true God and Jesus Christ whom he has sent”?

I know I won’t get a straight answer out of you, thus proof that I am right about why you post these videos because you have no proof of your own and no way to explain away this verse and hundreds of others. So you can try and convince yourself as well as others that by surrounding yourself with teachers who agree with you on this subject that it makes it right, which then implies that Jesus was wrong.

But the thorn in your side is that Jesus said, “eternal life was to know the only true God AND Jesus Christ whom he has sent”.

I believe Jesus Christ more than all these teachers put together. So even if you pointed me to 500 videos, then Jesus my Lord’s own words will still win out.
November 15, 2013 at 12:06 pm#777487
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I actually watched this one thinking it might have the best argument for the Trinity. Not one scripture and I am four-fifths of the way through. I truly understand why Muslims think Christianity is apostate. Much of it basically is. But Christ is the truth, not Christianity. Christ said, “this is eternal life, that you may know the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom he has sent”.

One sentence from Jesus is eternally more precious that this video and all the Trinity videos ever made because they are obviously at odds with one another for a start. Again, Jesus wins my heart and mind. Simplicity in Christ in who he is, is wonderful. He is the son of God, and the one that God made messiah, and Lord. Peter said it, Paul said it, Jesus said it, and the Father said it.

And the Father of lights is the one true God. He is the Father of all spirits. Even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. And he said that Jesus was his beloved son in whom he was well pleased.
November 15, 2013 at 12:14 pm#777488
DavidL
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no – completely boring sorry..!!
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The Trinity diagram gives light and understanding, but this one confusion and darkness…(like the rest of your anti-trinity belief)…
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I spose you’ll try and tell me that this is the sad origin of the Trinity doctrine…when really it is your study of this doctrine (outside of the Scriptures) that has given rise to your false teaching on the Trinity…
November 15, 2013 at 12:24 pm#777489
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The Trinity Doctrine is against what Peter, Paul, Jesus, and the Father taught and declared.

– Peter said, “you are the son of the living God and the messiah”.
– Paul said, “there is one God the Father, and one Lord, the Lord Jesus Christ.
– Jesus said, “this is eternal life, that you may know the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom he has sent”.
– The Father said, “this is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased”.

The Trinity is Babylonian in origin. But we are told to come out of her.
November 15, 2013 at 12:33 pm#777490
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Keymaster
Yes I agree the latter is boring. But the mind of man is boring. He thinks he can draw God into a diagram. God is one, not trinue or a triangle.

Sure a triangle is a strong shape, but it is a created finite thing. And an idol is said to be that which is made by the hand of a man and is worshipped. But something made by a human hand has its origins in the mind of a man. And as the Spirit of God can only reveal God, so the spirit of Man reveals that which is of man. This diagram is clearly a created work of man. But you can love it if you want. Right-click and choose save. And you can even make it the background image of your computer and I won’t charge you a cent.
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