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Is Hell eternal?

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Part 01 – Is Hell eternal?
Part 02 – Scriptures used to support an eternal Hell
Part 03 – New Testament scriptures that dispel an eternal Hell
Part 04 – Old Testament scriptures that dispel an eternal Hell
Part 05 – Other resources about Hell

This page will let scripture answer the most common questions on this topic. Following that, we will look at scriptures that are used to support the idea of an eternal Hell to get a balanced view. The last two pages will take a more substantial look at scriptures that talk about the wicked and their fate.

Will the wicked perish?

John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

2 Peter 2:12
But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.

Luke 13:3
I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.

In order to understand the word ‘perish’, how is this word used in other biblical topics?

Hebrews 1:10-12
10 He also says, “In the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands.
11 They will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment.
12 You will roll them up like a robe; like a garment they will be changed. But you remain the same, and your years will never end.

Colossians 2:21-22 21
21 Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!”?
22 These are all destined to perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings.

Will the wicked be destroyed?

Matthew 7:13
Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.

Philippians 3:19
Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame. Their mind is on earthly things.

2 Thessalonians 1:8-9
8 He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 
9 They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of his power

How is the word ‘destruction’ used in other biblical topics?

1 Corinthians 5:5
To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

2 Peter 2:1
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

How will the wicked be destroyed?

2 Peter 3:7
By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

Luke 17:28-30
28 “It was the same in the days of Lot. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. 29 But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all.
30 “It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed.

The wicked are cast into hell, but isn’t Hell eternal?

Revelation 20:14
Then death and Hell were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.

Revelation 21:8
“But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.“

So there will be no eternal suffering in hell?

Romans 6:23
“For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord”

Revelation 21:4
He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’ or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”

So the wicked will cease to exist?

Psalms 104:35
“Let the sinners be consumed out of the earth, and let the wicked be no more. Bless thou the LORD, O my soul. Praise ye the LORD.”

Psalms 37:10
“For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be.”

Adam came to life when he became a living soul, but can a man lose his soul?

Mark 8:36
What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, yet forfeit his soul?

1 Peter 1:9
for you are receiving the end result of your faith, the salvation of your souls.

But isn’t the human soul immortal?

Matthew 10:28
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in Hell.

Genesis 3:21-24
22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”23 So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken.24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.

Are you sure that the wicked will be completely consumed or burned up though?

Psalms 37:20
“But the wicked will perish: Though the Lord’s enemies are like the flowers of the field, they will be consumed, they will go up in smoke.”

Malachi 4:1
“For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.”

Does God want to destroy the wicked?

Ezekiel 33:11
Say to them, ‘As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn from your evil ways!

2 Peter 3:9
“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is long-suffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”

Will sin ever happen again once all the wicked are destroyed?

1 John 3:9
No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.

2 Peter 1:4
Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

Luke 20:35-36
But those who are considered worthy to share in the age to come and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage. In fact, they can no longer die, because they are like the angels. And since they are sons of the resurrection, they are sons of God.

We know that sin causes death and we will no longer die because sin has been dealt with.

1 Corinthians 15:54-55
54 When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come to pass: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.” 55 “Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?”

When will the wicked be completely destroyed?

Matthew 13:40
“As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world/age.“

2 Peter 3:10.
“But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.”

Okay so wicked men will be destroyed along with the old creation, but what about Satan?

Hebrews 2:14
“Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;“

Ezekiel 28:18
“Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffic; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.”

The last verse may be referring to a man instead of Satan, however we know that the Devil will be destroyed from the previous verse above.

After reading this page you may argue that I have given scripture, but not all of it. There are of course other verses that seem to teach an eternal hell or eternal suffering for the wicked. The next page will cover these scriptures to provide a balanced view. The last two pages in this study will list the most prominent verses in the Bible that teach that the wicked will be destroyed, perish, and die. There will be many more verses than quoted on this page and they are divided into Old and New Testament verses. These pages will be useful if you wish to study in more depth what scripture says about the fate of the wicked.

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  • March 21, 2015 at 10:17 am#791247
    Miia
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    Hi t8,
    Interesting questions and i plan to look into that more when I have some extra time (and watch that other video).

    First thought is: In the absence of death there would be no need to procreate

    March 21, 2015 at 11:13 am#791253
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    God is doing something new

    He is making a new creation where all is of Spirit.

     

    Flesh contributes nothing, now and in the future.

    March 21, 2015 at 12:31 pm#791268
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    Hi KW,

    You get confused not knowing what is literal and what is not?

    I admit if those were the only two passages then I would be confused but since they are not I have more evidence to go on. I am told that the body that Jesus rose up from the dead in was flesh and bone and I am convinced that is true even though it appears he passed through a wall even while in it. I am told elsewhere he is example of what the resurrected will be like and that I also am confident is true. Since I am confident those two Scriptural premises are true then it must also be true that the resurrected body is flesh and bone.

    I am confident it is true because I know Jesus did not lie when he declared Scripture cannot be broken. The same cannot be said about human teachings though it is plausible they are internally consistent.

    March 21, 2015 at 12:40 pm#791269
    kerwin
    Participant

    t8,

    So a perfect Adam and Eve were told to multiply and then in the new Earth, there is no procreation?

    If God is redeeming creation back to the Father, then why the different plan all of a sudden. Does God redeem in a way that will go beyond the original plan? If so, for what reason. Did he not do it perfectly the first time?

    I am not ridiculing you. Just asking some honest questions relating to your view.

    Humanity will fill the earth, at the population maximum he decrees, and there will be no more death and so no need of replacements or growth. The earth was not at that population maximum when God commanded Adam and Eve to multiply and fill the Earth then they brought in sin and death and created more need for reproduction.

    March 21, 2015 at 12:45 pm#791270
    kerwin
    Participant

    t8,

    I have started the video at the point that is relevant to what we are discussing (which is near the end).

    It’s really just saying what we/some are saying here. The Earth as the abode of men and the Final Judgement comes with a punishment that is based upon the sins committed followed by final destruction of the wicked, and the old heavens and earth.

    From what I understand so far this video uses the words from a vision that was given in the Nineteenth century. It starts at the fall of Babylon. However, I have embedded the video to start near the end. You can watch the whole thing if you want though. Just move the slider to the beginning.

    It is mostly just following scripture from what I can see. Just worded like a story.

    Thank you. I value your words more those I do not know and cannot cross examine to better understand their claims. If I get on a computer where the sound is still working I may take a look.

    March 23, 2015 at 8:54 am#791432
    Miia
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    God is doing something new

    He is making a new creation where all is of Spirit.

    Flesh contributes nothing, now and in the future.

    Hi @NickHassan
    I am genuinely interested in what you say here.

    Jesus was raised as flesh and bone.

    Then scripture says “Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality.”

    I can understand the strength of spirit over flesh. It also say “flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.”

    But then Paul also says ““How are the dead raised? With what kind of body do they come?” You foolish person! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. And what you sow is not the body that is to be, but a bare kernel, perhaps of wheat or of some other grain. But God gives it a body as he has chosen, and to each kind of seed its own body. For not all flesh is the same, but there is one kind for humans, another for animals, another for birds, and another for fish. There are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is of one kind, and the glory of the earthly is of another. There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for star differs from star in glory. So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable. It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual. The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven. As was the man of dust, so also are those who are of the dust, and as is the man of heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the man of heaven.”

    Now I could imagine being spirit only, but this seems to indicate a body of some type.

    March 23, 2015 at 9:38 am#791440
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi mila,

    Yes a spiritual body like to the angels.

    No longer male and female and not given or taken in marriage.

    March 24, 2015 at 6:00 pm#791563
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    God is doing something new

    He is making a new creation where all is of Spirit.

    Flesh contributes nothing, now and in the future.

    Did you know that God can destroy the soul just the same as he can destroy the body.

    If destruction doesn’t mean what we think it does and is a cryptic word for remaining eternally (as many teach) then just as the wicked soul will exist on for eternity (as they say), then so could the old body too (as they do not say).

    Perhaps destroy means what it suppose to mean. If so, God can destroy the soul just as he can destroy the body. Is it really that simple? Yes it is. He can and will destroy both in the case of the wicked.

    March 28, 2015 at 2:08 pm#791864
    kerwin
    Participant

    t8,

    I believe that among the Jews is a true teaching and that is that God cast certain people into Gehenna to suffer for a unspecified time and then at the end of that time he destroys them.

    I have not yet know of any evidence but they may also be right that he does this because some will come to repent of their sins after being tormented for ages and ages.

    These Jews, who do not hold the New Testament is the word of God, already have a teaching that explains the words of Revelations.

    March 28, 2015 at 2:17 pm#791866
    kerwin
    Participant

    @t8,

    I can point to Scriptures that speak of a time of torment for demons and others that speak of humans being tormented for ages and ages.  I can also point to passages that speak of the wicked being destroyed.  All these words must be true and annihilation alone does not account for all of them satisfactory.

     

    March 29, 2015 at 12:20 am#791907
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Well we know they are destroyed and we know they suffer. So that leaves one option. They suffer before being destroyed. In other words destruction is not instant for all, but could take longer depending on the sins.

    Some will be beaten with fewer stripes and it seems that the Devil, Beast, and False Prophet get the worst of it.

    March 29, 2015 at 5:53 am#791915
    kerwin
    Participant

    t8,
    That is my impression as well.

    April 4, 2015 at 6:47 pm#792698
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Good, mine too.

    🙂

    April 4, 2015 at 7:18 pm#792703
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    The stripes are for the rebellious sons of God.

    April 4, 2015 at 7:22 pm#792704
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi T8,

    Lk 12.47

    They are servants.

    Those of the world are not his servants

    April 4, 2015 at 7:37 pm#792708
    AndrewAD
    Participant

    I hope not to be a cold and naked ghost floating around in the afterlife but rather to be clothed with that holy baptismal gown of heaven,whence I shall be safe and warm in the heavenly place Christ prepared.

    April 4, 2015 at 8:04 pm#792711
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Andrew,

    The meek shall inherit the earth.

    Popular humanist religion says we go to heaven.

    April 4, 2015 at 11:59 pm#792727
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Jesus took punishment upon himself so we could be spared that punishment. He received stripes so we could be spared them.

    Isaiah 53:5
    But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

    1 Peter 2:24
    Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

    Is all sin the same then, or are some greater than others?

    John 19:11-12
    Jesus answered, “You would have no authority over Me, unless it had been given you from above; for this reason he who delivered Me up to you has the greater sin.”

    Is different punishment given for different sins?

    Exodus 21:23-25
    But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.

    So people get beaten by more or less stripes depending on the sin?

    Deuteronomy 25:2-3
    …then it shall be if the wicked man deserves to be beaten, the judge shall then make him lie down and be beaten in his presence with the number of stripes according to his guilt…

    Are people then judged accordingly by their deeds? Or is all sin the same and all punishment for sin the same?

    Revelation 20:12-13
    And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.

    If people know the truth, are they then punished more for disobeying God than those who didn’t?

    John 9:41
    Jesus said to them, “If you were blind, you would have no sin; but since you say, ‘We see,’ your sin remains.”

    John 15:22
    “If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have sin, but now they have no excuse for their sin.”

    John 15:24
    “If I had not done among them the works which no one else did, they would not have sin; but now they have both seen and hated Me and My Father as well.”

    Are there differing degrees of judgement and punishment for the wicked?

    Matthew 11:20-24
    “Woe to you, Chorazin. Woe to you, Bethsaida. For if the miracles had occurred in Tyre and Sidon which occurred in you, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. Nevertheless I say to you, it shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon in the day of judgment, than for you. And you, Capernaum, will not be exalted to heaven, will you? You shall descend to Hades; for if the miracles had occurred in Sodom which occurred in you, it would have remained to this day. Nevertheless I say to you that it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for you.”

    Hebrews 10:28-29
    How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?

    Are those who know more whether believer or not, held to a higher standard.

    James 3:1-2
    Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, knowing that as such we shall incur a stricter judgment. 

    Hebrews 10:28-29
    How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?

     

    April 5, 2015 at 5:53 pm#792818
    AndrewAD
    Participant

    Hi Nick, you say

    The meek shall inherit the earth.

    Popular humanist religion says we go to heaven.

    What I said was from St.Paul who says in 2 Cor.5

    2Corinthians 5:1-8 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

    For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:

    If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.

    For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.

    Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.

    Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:

    For we walk by faith, not by sight:)

    We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

    And did not Jesus say in St Jn 14 that he was going to prepare a place for us,that where he is there we may be also?And just where is he? in heaven right?

    In St.Jn 17 what is Jesus prayer in vs 24 but that those given him would be where he is that they may behold his glory! and in vs 20 Jesus makes clear that his prayer is not just for his immediate disciples but also all believers.

    You can call the Jesus of St John and Paul humanists if you wish but even many Jews before  Jesus  and since believe in life after death.And what is Jesus point in the synoptics about resurrection but that Abraham,Isaac,and Jacob are currently alive.

    It seems to me that the righteous dead do actually live according to much teaching in the bible.

    April 5, 2015 at 6:39 pm#792822
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Andrew,

    You offer lovely verses about being CLOTHED FROM ABOVE.

     

    Yes we will receive a new heavenly body if you are raised in the first resurrection to meet Jesus in the air.

    Then of course he returns to earth to establish his earthly kingdom.

    No sojourns offered in heaven in scripture.

     

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