What is your confession? – The Trinity Doctrine

Part 01 – The Trinity Doctrine
Part 02 – Who is the Most High God.
Part 03 – Who and what is Jesus?
Part 04 – The true meaning of ‘God’.
Part 05 – Supporting the Trinity
Part 06 – Pre-Nicene writings
Part 07 – Development of the Trinity
Part 08 – Why challenge the Trinity
Part 09 – Trinity Doctrine conclusion
Part 10 – An Apostasy
Part 11 – 100 indisputable proof verses
Part 12 – What is your confession?
Part 13 – The Roman Catholic faith
Part 14 – Trinity Doctrine resources

Let’s take a look at what different persons or beings believed about who Jesus Christ of Nazareth really was.

The foundation of the Catholic Church (&  most  Protestant churches)

The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. Hence God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. These three persons make up one God. But rather than each being one-third of God, each person is co-equal and co-eternal, and 100% God

Now compare the above to what others in scripture confess about the identity and role of Jesus Christ.

Demons

Moreover, demons came out of many people, shouting, “You are the Son of God!” But he rebuked them and would not allow them to speak, because they knew he was the Christ. (Luke 4:41)

“What have I to do with you, Jesus, you Son of the Most High God?
I adjure you by God, don’t torment me.”
For he said to him, “Come out of the man, you unclean spirit!”
He asked him, “What is your name?”
He said to him, “My name is Legion, for we are many.”

Nowhere do demons say Jesus is God. Instead they knew that he was the son of God.

Satan

Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple.
“If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written: “`He will command his angels
concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’

Nowhere is it written that Satan calls Jesus God. Rather he too knows that Jesus is the son of God.

Roman centurion

“Surely he was the Son of God!” (Matthew 27:54)

Among this centurion, all the other onlookers, those that heard the words of Jesus, and even those that only heard about him, none of them ever said that Jesus was God, Instead they said he was either mad, a false prophet, a true prophet, Elijah, John the Baptist, the messiah, and the son of God. For the centurion to utter these true words, it must have been obvious that Jesus was claiming to be the son of God, to his mind at least.

Peter

“You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven”. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, (Matthew 16:17-18)

If you were given the opportunity from Jesus to answer the same question from Jesus, “who am I”, would your answer be as Peter or would it instead be “you are God”. If it is the latter, do you not think it at least strange that Peter didn’t take this opportunity to say that Jesus was God like you would? I mean, do you know more than Peter? Surely if the foundation of the Church were really the Trinity, then Peter would have said that Jesus was God and part of the Trinity and then Jesus would have built his Church on that. Instead what we clearly see is that the foundation was built on the fact that Jesus is the son of God and the Christ.

Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, (1 Peter 1:3)

Peter clearly acknowledges that God is the Heavenly Father and that he is the God of Jesus. This is quite different to the Trinity Doctrine which confesses that Jesus is God and part of a Triune God. Nowhere is it written that Peter said or taught that Jesus Christ is God.

John

But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name. (John 20:31)

The Book of John is said to be the book that teaches the Trinity. After all, most consider John 1:1 to be the cornerstone of the Trinity Doctrine. Yet the truth is that the whole point of the Book of John was to believe what John said above, Is it not strange then that men say that John was teaching the Trinity when John himself says that his book was written so that you would believe  that Jesus is the son of God and the messiah.

John also wrote in the first verse of the Book of Revelation the following:

The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, (Revelation 1:1)

Clearly God and Jesus are different. And John gave a warning about this book.

I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll. (Revelation 22:18-19)

If you believe that the Book of Revelation teaches Jesus is God or part of the Trinity, then you are clearly adding to these words of this book.

Paul

Paul’s creed is as follows:

For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. (1 Corinthians 8:5-6)

Notice that Paul says for US, there is ONE God the Father and ONE Lord, the Lord Jesus Christ. So why is it then that many others basically say, for THEM, there is one God the Father, Son, and Spirit. And one Lord, the Lord Father, Lord Son, and Lord Spirit. Surely this is a departure from the truth.

In case you think this is just a difficult translation, Paul basically repeats his creed here:

there is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. (Ephesians 4:4-6)

and who through the Spirit of holiness was appointed the Son of God in power by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord. (Romans 1:4)

Where in Paul’s creed is the Trinity? Where in Paul’s creed is Jesus is God. Clearly according to our brother Paul, Jesus is the Lord and the Son. And to show you that Lord is different to God, I present you with the words of Peter:

“Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ. (Acts 2:36)

So Paul and Peter demonstrate that Paul was an avid teacher of Jesus being the son of God, the messiah, and the Lord and that it was God who made Jesus Lord. Nowhere does Paul teach that Jesus is God or part of a Trinity.

Gabriel

He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.” “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?” The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God. (Luke 1:32-35)

God’s messenger Gabriel, tell us who Jesus is. Nowhere in scripture does Gabriel or any other angel state that Jesus is God or part of the Trinity. He even forecasts that he will be called the Son of the Most High. Who is the Most High then? Certainly not Jesus because he is his son of the Most High.

Jesus

Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. (John 17:3)

To those who won’t listen to Peter, John, or Paul, surely they will listen to the words of Jesus? And if anyone knew who Jesus was it would surely be Jesus himself. So what does Jesus say about God and himself? He states that the following truth is eternal life. And what truth is that? Is it the Trinity as many would have you believe? Is it that Jesus is God? No, it is that the Father is the only true God and that the only true God sent Jesus Christ into the world.

Do we believe what Jesus said, or shall we believe the cleverly devised fables of men and doctrines of demons which seems to be the majority’s opinion on this subject.

The Father

“This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to Him.” (Mark 9:7)

Notice that the highest authority in existence (the Father) did not say that Jesus is God and part of the Trinity. He never even hinted at such an idea. If you or anyone else rejects Peter, John, Paul, and even Jesus words above, then will you listen to the Father?

So what should your confession be?

Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.. (1 John 2:22)

Clearly, Jesus is the messiah and the son of God. To believe otherwise is of the antichrist spirit. Replacing this with a doctrine that Jesus is God or part of a Trinity is clearly wrong. Believing this and adding it as a requirement is even worse. Yet many churches have done this very thing by making the Trinity Doctrine the foundation of their church. In scripture we clearly see that the true Church is the Body of Christ and this Church is built on the truth that Jesus is the Christ and the son of God. Not the Trinity as many expect.

Now that we can see from scripture who Jesus really is, what should be our confession right now? It should be that Jesus Christ is Lord.

that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
    in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
    and every tongue acknowledge 
    that Jesus Christ is Lord,
    to the glory of God the Father. (Philippians 2:9-11)

So why not start today. Instead of confessing that Jesus Christ is God, why not confess the truth instead, that Jesus Christ is Lord, the son of God, and the messiah. If you truly believe that, then you believe correctly regarding who Jesus is and this is important because it is the Father who has revealed the son to us.


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  • #795165
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    Jesus was like you and I, flesh, soul, human spirit and since the Jordan the Holy Spirit.

    When he died his own human spirit left him and returned to God.

    He was yet spiritually alive in the Eternal Spirit .

    Soul and Spirit

     

    The anointed man Jesus, is now Jesus Christ, the Word made flesh.

    Jesus Christ, the Word, has come in the flesh

    1jn 4 2

     

     

    #795304
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    If Jesus is just one of us, albeit without sin, then we too must be the Word come in the flesh, Is this a proper conclusion from what you teach?

    #795380
    DavidL
    Participant

    question for you up here Nick.. ⇑⇑⇑

    #795397
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    The Word is of the Spirit of God. The Word was born into a man Jesus of Nazareth.

    We, like Jesus, are of human stock with a human spirit.

    We too, like him, can be reborn from above.

    We surely can follow him.

    #795403
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    So we will become the Word in flesh too?

    #795405
    NickHassan
    Participant

    hi t8,

    If you are reborn of the Spirit you receive an earnest of the Spirit.

    If you do not have the Spirit of Christ you are none of his.

    To Jesus was given the Spirit WITHOUT MEASURE.

     

    We share in the Spirit but there is a vast difference between the head and the body

     

     

     

    #795437
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    So one of those differences is that he is the Word come in the flesh and we are not?

    If so, then what are we exactly if we have come in the flesh like him?

    #795439
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi T8,

    Jesus was flesh no different to us. Then he was anointed from above and the Word was made flesh.

     

    The Word was God. God is spirit.

    The Word is spirit of the Spirit of God.

    The anointing with the Spirit enfleshed the Word.

     

    When he returned the Father sent the Spirit of Christ [Word] to all the believers and He continues to do this even now.

     

    We have not come IN the flesh. We ARE flesh just as he was.

    “Remember man that thou art dust and unto dust thou shalt return”

    #795440
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    Scripture says of us

    We will be saved.

    We are being saved.

    We have been saved.

     

    All are true in the timeless prophetic speech of God.

     

    #795441
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    And if you put THE WORD where is says JESUS CHRIST in Phil 2 you will see the alignment of the scriptures

    Jesus Christ IS the Word made flesh.

    #795447
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Bd,

    THE BEGINNING does sometimes refer to the beginning of creation.

    But sometimes it can relate to the beginning of other things-like relationships.

    #795465
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Jesus was flesh no different to us. Then he was anointed from above and the Word was made flesh.

    But he already had flesh before he was anointed from above by the Spirit.

    #795472
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    Yes.

     

    But the Word did not.

    The Word is the Spirit of Christ.

    The Word that was with God and WAS God.

     

    #795478
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    So Jesus had flesh and when he was anointed the Word became flesh as well, and so is that two fleshes or is it two in one flesh. i.e., Jesus the man and the Word inhabiting the same flesh?

    Starting to sound a little like debating the Trinity now.

    #795485
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi T8,

    When the apostles laid hands on the believers in Acts did the Spirit begin to inhabit their bodily temples?

    When you were reborn from above did the Spirit begin to inhabit your soul and flesh ?

    It was the same with Jesus, the one we follow.

     

    #795489
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us.

    John saw heard and touched the Word of life.

    But new flesh was not made for the Word.

     

    God chose to live and work in clean human temples designed for that purpose

    #795498
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi T8,

    I think Nick is on to the right idea, but has got the embodiment wrong.

    1) I believe Jesus was born “The Christ” – meaning the “spirit of Christ” was impregnated into Mary. (ref.Matt.1:18)
    1a) The “spirit of Christ” is Jesus’ spirit he was born with, the HolySpirit is Father to that spirit. (ref. Heb.12:9)

    2) Nick says: “The Word is spirit of the Spirit of God.
    2a) I also believe “The Word” is spirit of the Spirit of God, (ref. John 6:63)
    2b) and that the “HolySpirit” is spirit of the Spirit of God sent to us. (ref. John 16:13)

    3) Therefore “The Word” IS the “HolySpirit” – and the “HolySpirit” is GOD. (ref. Acts 5:3-4)

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    4) I believe as Nick: “The Word” became flesh at Jordan. (God was manifest in the flesh: 1Tim.3:16)

    5) When Jesus was baptized with God’s HolySpirit …”The Word” became flesh. (ref. John 1:14)

    6) And yes, when we are baptized with God’s HolySpirit …”The Word” becomes flesh in us. (ref. Matt 10:19-20)

    ”But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak:
    for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. For it is not
    ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.” (Matt 10:19-20)

    ”But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak,
    neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye:
    for it is not ye that speak, but the HolySpirit.” (Mark 13:11)

    …The Word in flesh. (ref. 2Cor.6:16)

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    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _______________________________________________________________________________________________________
    ”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GOD

    #795500
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi T8,

    I hope that was clear enough for you, but if not let me know.

    ____________
    God bless
    Ed J

    #795530
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi ED,

    How does the conception in Mary have any relationship to the anointing of the Son?

    Is it written or your opinion?

    #795574
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi ED,

    How does the conception in Mary have any relationship to the anointing of the Son?

    Is it written or your opinion?

    Hi Nick,

    It is written…

    1. “Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ” (Matthew 1:16)
    2. “For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, which is Christ the Lord.” (Luke 2:11)
    3. “all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born” (Matt 2:4)

    Here are three verses for you to either ignore or attempt to change what is clearly being said: “Jesus was born the Christ”!

    ____________
    God bless
    Ed J

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