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The Flat Earth Experience

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An eternal circle’s circumference is a straight line. So a really big circle looks like a straight line too. While the Earth looks flat from our perspective, it is written that knowledge shall increase and we now know that the universe God created displays his eternal nature and is held together and works because of his laws. Read more

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  • May 10, 2018 at 10:28 pm#825826
    Dig4truth
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    t8: “Where does it say that. Of course that is possible, but want to know what you are referencing, even though I already have a good idea.”

     

     

    Youre yankin’ my chain, right?

     

    Gen 1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters. 3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

    14 Then God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years; 15 and let them be for lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so. 16 God made the two great lights, the greater light to govern the day, and the lesser light to govern the night; He made the stars also. 17 God placed them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, 18 and to govern the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness; and God saw that it was good. 19 There was evening and there was morning, a fourth day.

     

    Day 1: earth

    Day 4: greater light to rule the day (sun)

     

    May 10, 2018 at 10:33 pm#825827
    Dig4truth
    Participant

    Nick: “No I do not think the scientists get everything right either. Neither you nor them can claim infallibility. So tell us again why you think your science is guaranteed by God.”

     

    Only the the parts that are clearly spoken in the Word are “guaranteed”. Like the earth before the sun, a world wide flood, the creation of man – not evolution, and a firmament.

     

     

    May 10, 2018 at 11:05 pm#825828
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Hi T8,

    When did I threaten to leave the site?

    Just to make your day?

    Pay attention Nick. Not listening or dialoguing with Mike, yet you continue to do so.

    No I have not given up on you yet and neither has My Father.

    Now you sound like  a cult leader. I go direct to God Nick through the one true mediator. We do not need you or need to believe your doctrines. I am sure we are also quite capable of reading scripture for ourselves too, lol. Your not convincing anyone that you are a great leader or whatever all thus criticism and accusation about not being led by the Spirit is trying to prove. I have met many religious bigots in my time and most were obsessed with trying to take power over people using an aura of false superiority. So the last thing anyone here wants is that here.

    Heaven Net is a place where you can test all things including the Flat Earth belief that some say scripture teaches. No need to criticize people all the time. If this forum is not for you, I promise not to get mad if you find another one. But if you want to stay, then try to stick to topics, listen to others, and stop accusing people day and night. It is not too much to ask, or is it?

    Finally, please stop acting like a child when scripture is used to reproof you or your doctrines. Remember, we didn’t write scripture right? Don’t shoot the messengers and just try to be a nice person.

    May 10, 2018 at 11:06 pm#825829
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Thanks Dig4Truth, I will get back to you on that.

    May 11, 2018 at 3:26 am#825831
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi T8,

    Can you hear the Spirit in the mouth of the anointed ones yet?

    It is the whole meaning of the bible.

     

    Yes this is your site and you can control what happens.

    Still praying you will see the light.

    May 11, 2018 at 3:49 am#825832
    Dig4truth
    Participant

    Sounds good t8.

    Here’s something interesting. If you make two columns the creation days make sense.

    1) light                             4) sun,moon,stars

    2) firmament waters    5) birds, sea stuff

    3) land                            6) animals, man

     

     

     

    May 11, 2018 at 4:55 am#825833
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Dig4,

    So no flat plain surrounded by an ice wall?

    Have you deviated from revelation?

    Are you allowed to add to it?

    May 11, 2018 at 4:59 am#825834
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Dig4,

    The earth was formless and void.

    But you ascribe a form to it?

    May 11, 2018 at 5:01 am#825835
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Dig4,

    Still waiting for a definition of firmament, pillars etc.

    May 11, 2018 at 8:01 am#825837
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Dig4truth…..I think you may have gotten it wrong, in the beginning God created the “heavens ” and the “earth”. He created them both in the “beginning,” what makes you think it was the “first day” that was done in. The sun was probably allready created as well as the moon, and stars (in the beginning). God simply placed them in their positions and orbits so that the sun and the moon would cause there effects on the earth, that started the day and night periods of time on the earth, and the first day started, but the “heavens” and the “the earth” was there from the “beginning” . Big bang theory still works when view that way.

    GOD COULD HAVE TAKEN MATERIALS HE CREATED IN THE “BEGINNING”, from the “HEAVENS” , like the earth and planets and stars, galaxies the “expance” or expanding universe. And used those materials to create our solar system with, by aranging them the way he wanted to, to produce a day and night condition, on the earth.
    And once that was in place we had the evening and mornings and thats when day and night first started on this earth. The scripture does not say They were all created in a day, but that is when day and night started is all.

    But whats that got to do with a “flat earth” theory?

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene

    May 11, 2018 at 8:12 am#825839
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Yes Nick, it is my site. But I only ask that we be civil, nice, helpful, and loving toward one another. You should know by now that differences of opinion are fine. Atheists and Muslims are allowed here after all.

    This is a platform to test all things that try to ascend above the doctrine of Christ and true knowledge. And scripture encourages us to correct with scripture, so don’t get mad at us when this happens, and please don’t try to win over scripture or teachings by telling people the need to be like you and be led by the Spirit. That is just a blatant way to try and take control by attacking the person with an opinion. If you want to attack someone use scripture in the least and wisdom of when to use it would be a bonus.

    Personal opinions are a dime a dozen and what is the point in turning conversations here into opinions about people rather than mine the precious truth in scripture that has the power to transform each one of us.

    May 11, 2018 at 10:51 am#825844
    Dig4truth
    Participant

    Gene: “I think you may have gotten it wrong, in the beginning God created the “heavens ” and the “earth”. He created them both in the “beginning,” what makes you think it was the “first day” that was done in. The sun was probably allready created as well as the moon, and stars (in the beginning). God simply placed them in their positions and orbits so that the sun and the moon would cause there effects on the earth, that started the day and night periods of time on the earth, and the first day started, but the “heavens” and the “the earth” was there from the “beginning” . Big bang theory still works when view that way.

    GOD COULD HAVE TAKEN MATERIALS HE CREATED IN THE “BEGINNING”, from the “HEAVENS” , like the earth and planets and stars, galaxies the “expance” or expanding universe. And used those materials to create our solar system with, by aranging them the way he wanted to, to produce a day and night condition, on the earth.
    And once that was in place we had the evening and mornings and thats when day and night first started on this earth. The scripture does not say They were all created in a day, but that is when day and night started is all.

    But whats that got to do with a “flat earth” theory?”

     

     

    Unfortunately the Scripture says what day things were created on.

    Gen 1:14 Then God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years; 15 and let them be for lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so. 16 God made the two great lights, the greater light to govern the day, and the lesser light to govern the night; He made the stars also. 17 God placed them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, 18 and to govern the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness; and God saw that it was good. 19 There was evening and there was morning, a fourth day.

     

    God clearly made the greater and lesser lights (sun, moon) on day 4.

     

    Mainly, what this has to do with the FE theory is that since the sun was created after the earth it is unlikely that the earth would rotate around the sun.

    By the way, it is a night and day system and not a day and night system. The new day begins at sundown.

    When it says “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth” it is an overview of the creation week. The rest are the details of the creation week. What is significant to a modern scientific minded person is that all of the requirements for our existence, the way we have come to understand it now, is covered in those very few words! Amazing!

     

    In the beginning: (time)

    God created: (energy)

    The heavens: (space)

    And the earth: (matter)

     

    Truly amazing! What an awesome God we serve!

     

     

    May 11, 2018 at 11:00 am#825845
    Dig4truth
    Participant

    Nick: “The earth was formless and void. But you ascribe a form to it?”

     

     

    It changed.

    9 Then God said, “Let the waters below the heavens be gathered into one place, and let the dry land appear”; and it was so. 10 God called the dry land earth, and the gathering of the waters He called seas; and God saw that it was good.

    You didn’t think He would leave it formless and void, did you? Besides, isn’t a sphere a form?  ; )

     

    May 11, 2018 at 11:46 am#825846
    Anthony
    Participant

    Hi all

    There is a method in the emphases of these two sections of scripture. In Genesis 1 there is a broad outline of the events of the creation week, which reaches its climax with the origin of mankind — in the very image of God. In Genesis 2 there is a special emphasis upon man, the divine preparation of his home, the formation of a suitable mate, et

    These respective sections have a different literary motif. Genesis 1 is chronological, revealing the sequential events of the creation week, whereas Genesis 2 is topical, with special concern for man and his environment. (This procedure is not unknown in biblical literature. Matthew’s account of the ministry of Christ is more topical, while Mark’s record is more chronological.)

    Professor Edward J. Young has a good statement of this matter:

    “There are different emphases in the two chapters . . . but the reason for these is obvious. Chapter 1 continues the narrative of creation until the climax, namely, man made in the image and likeness of God. To prepare the way for the account of the fall, chapter 2 gives certain added details about man’s original condition, which would have been incongruous and out of place in the grand, declarative march of chapter 1” (p. 53).                   I try to keep in the back of my mind that the Bible speaks of creation the fall and Redemption . God is reconcile ALL thing to Himself  all will be done when Jesus turn the kingdom over to the father.God bless

     

    May 11, 2018 at 12:04 pm#825847
    Anthony
    Participant

    It is wise to remember that the Word of God was not written for the benefit of “scholars,” and “scientist” but for the common person.

    May 11, 2018 at 12:29 pm#825848
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Dig4,

    It is fascinating that in the central part of the flat plain is the very cold area called the Arctic.

    No mention of this in Genesis is there?

    May 11, 2018 at 12:36 pm#825850
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    My guess is Flat Earthers will show that it is the utmost distance from the sun as the edge is too, the same reason as the globe earth is cold at the poles. Further, I guess you could argue that God never mentioned the continent of Antarctica either.

    What I have found is they have answers to the most common questions asked.

    May 11, 2018 at 12:48 pm#825851
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Hi Dig4truth,

    No problem about taking your time, it is the way things get addressed here sometimes.

    you said:

    Hi Lightenup, I did see the post. I even went back to test it with Scripture. Unfourtunatly it didn’t hold up as far as I can tell although I’m sure there is a spiritual aspect to it. Sorry I didn’t get back to it sooner.

     

    <b>Job 9:5-7 </b>“It is God who removes the mountains, they know not how, When He overturns them in His anger; 6 Who shakes the earth out of its place, And its pillars tremble; 7 Who commands the sun not to shine, And sets a seal upon the stars;

     

    <b>Psalm 75:2-4 </b> “When I select an appointed time, It is I who judge with equity. 3 “The earth and all who dwell in it melt; It is I who have firmly set its pillars. Selah. 4 “I said to the boastful, ‘Do not boast,’ And to the wicked, ‘Do not lift up the horn;

     

    Both of these references would appear to be about judgment and the pillars tremble. It is unlikely that the Torah would tremble at Hashem’s judgment.

    Are there any scriptural references in the Tanach or Brit Hadasha that you can use to support this view?

    The reference that I linked to was a book of the ethics of Hebrew fathers. It mentioned pillars of the earth. It did not equate pillars to actually structural, literal support beams. That was my point.

    Is it those two verses that the flat earth-ers establish that the earth rests on physical columns/pillars of some sort?

    LU

     

    May 11, 2018 at 12:50 pm#825852
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Nick:  Hi Dig4,

    The earth was formless and void.

    But you ascribe a form to it?

    Your comments crack me up, Nick.  😀  Don’t you also ascribe a form to it?  Or do you think it is still formless and void?

    May 11, 2018 at 1:01 pm#825853
    mikeboll64
    Blocked
    Nick:  Still waiting for a definition of firmament, pillars etc.
    Firmament:

    13c., from Latin firmamentum “firmament,” literally “a support or strengthening,” from firmus “firm”… 

    used in Vulgate to translate Greek stereoma “firm or solid structure,” 

    which translated Hebrew raqia, a word used of both the vault of the sky and the floor of the earth in the Old Testament…

    in Syriac meaning “to make firm or solid,”…

     

    Pillar:

    an upright shaft or structure, of stone, brick, or other material, relatively slender in proportion to its height, and of any shape in section, 

    used as a building support, or standing alone, as for a monument…

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