A message from a physicist and a message from a flat earther

Physicist

I am a physicist and it comes naturally to me that all planets are spheres mainly because of gravity.

The gravity of a planet is directly proportional to the planet’s mass and inversely proportional to the planet’s radius.

Gravity can be calculated 6.67*10^-11(planet mass/planet radius^2).

This also means that, according to Newton, the earth’s rotation does not have a particularly large effect on gravity.

The sun has the greatest gravitational force in our solar system, approx. 247N/kg or 247 m/s^2, which means that if you fall one meter on the sun, you will hit the “ground” with a speed of 247 m/s. Similarly, 1 kg on the Sun will be 247N, while on Earth 1 kg will only be 9.81N.

We have formulas to calculate the curvature of the earth, and these are very accurate.

Why do some people think the earth is flat? When all scientific findings indicate that all planets are spheres?
All scientific sources on the shape of the plates are available to anyone. Flat earth documentation is not available, logically enough because it doesn’t exist. As a physicist, I must be able to explain observations and natural phenomena through mathematics and scientific models. This is exactly what makes physics so exciting!

A model must be able to explain all phenomena and observations, you can do that on a sphere. On a flat earth it is not possible, so above all one does not use false values.

The globe rotates 360 degrees/24 hours. Our solar system is moving at 600,000m/s towards the center of the Milky Way where there is a gigantic hole with an enormous gravitational force. Since the acceleration is constant, we do not  notice any of this, so Newton’s second law is fulfilled.

If, on the other hand, the earth’s rotation increased or decreased, we would notice it because Newton’s second law will no longer be fulfilled.

I love my subject and am happy to answer questions, but do not respond to sarcasm.

– Physicist

Flat Earther

The earth is flat because I rolled a marble on a table and it disappeared bottom up. Although when I moved my head up a little to be level with the table, it didn’t do that for some reason.

I brought a small boat back into view that was too small to see, although I can’t bring the sun back for some reason.

The bible teaches the world is flat, although I cannot find one verse that teaches this.

The flat earth map is accurate and explains observation, although it doubles and triples distances in the southern hemisphere for some reason. But the southern hemisphere kind of doesn’t matter.

The globe earth conspiracy means millions are in on the secret, yet not one person has leaked the truth despite the anonymity of Wikileaks etc for some strange reason,

The flat earth is hidden from the populace because it proves that God exists. Although the scientific view proves an eternal God because the cosmos is so finely tuned for our existence, that the odds of it being random are greater than 1 in a number bigger than all the atoms of the universe. Further it does demonstrate the eternal nature of God, but it is just too big to give God the glory if you have a simple mind. The pizza model and dome on top which BTW to keeps the pizza warm and contained makes it easier to see that there is a God, although not a very impressive one.

– Flat Earther

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  • #938549
    Proclaimer
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    MIKE,  is still stuck back in the 14 hundreds, when men thought the world was flat and if they sailed in a straight line they would fall off edge of the earth.  Talk about dumb  and dumber,  why would anyone even consider, in this modern day, his , stupid BS, theory of a “FLAT EARTH”?

    snakeoilThere were people in Greece that knew better than him. That was BC way before Mike’s BS.

    Knowledge shall increase, yet foolishness will be present till the end of the age.

    Mike reminds me of a snake oil salesman. And Danny bought 10 bottles.

    Lol.

    #938550
    Berean
    Participant

    Dan.12
    [1] And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
    [2] And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
    [3] And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
    [4] But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

    …and knowledge shall be increased. 

    Me

    Should still SEE in what CONTEXT Daniel wrote these lyrics….
    certainly not regarding scientific knowledge BUT RATHER “BIBLE PROPHECY KNOWLEDGE”….AND THAT IS A WHOLE ANOTHER STORY.

     

    #938551
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    I see. So the earth is still flat Berean?

    #938552
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Berean……Seems every time you open your mouth , you prove how actually nieve and ignorant you truly are. I can list easely over a thousand things that we , as a human race have increased in knowledge of , even sense i was born. Thousands of them, the only thing that has gone backward is religious teachings, like the cult you belong to, and most all Christanity also, as their deceptions get worse and worse.

    peace and love to you and yours………..gene

    #938553
    Berean
    Participant

    Gene

    You are COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTEXT OF THE BIBLICAL TEXT, IT IS YOU WHO IS SAYING NONSENSE BIGGER THAN YOU….😞

    #938554
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Berean, the point is however, that knowledge has increased regardless of that scripture. That said, this page appears to have a good commentary on the Isaiah scripture. I haven’t read the whole thing though and I am not endorsing the whole site. It agrees with your view.

    Knowledge Shall Increase and Then the End

    But Berean, does the SDA teach the earth is flat? If not, are you questioning them?

    #938555
    Berean
    Participant

    SDA GENERALLY DO NOT TEACH FLAT EARTH….EXCEPT SOME INDIVIDUALS. …

    #938556
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    When you say ‘generally do not teach flat earth’, can you give me an example of an individual SDA member who teaches it?

    Further  does the SDA consider such individuals as heretics?

    #938558
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Why doesn’t someone send up a rocket and look back at the earth?

    Done many times.

    #938565
    Berean
    Participant

    I don’t think Flat-Even Adventists are considered heretics by their ruling brethren. In fact, I don’t know and it is not a subject that concerns the leaders.
    As for an example, I know one but not personally.
    And so I wouldn’t allow myself to give you his internet coordinates. Do your own research…

    #938566
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    I am doing my own research. You are an SDA and potentially a flat earther. What better person to ask.

    #938567
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Proclaimer……….Berean dosen’t have the truth of God in him or he wouldn’t be in that church in the first place,  so he is naturally desposed to believing in lies about a flat earth, just as Mike is. These people have been denied the “cognisity” , or, spirit of truth., they simply are wondering stars, foaming out their own shame, by the, “IGNORANCE” that is “in” them. 

    Anyone nowdays who would still think the “earth is flat”, has to be “stupid” at best, and to even think that people like that,  come here and talk about “bible truth”, is a joke at best,  how can they even think anyone would believe them, when they can’t even understand the earth is a round sphere revolving around our sun, and  proof is being given them 24/7, every second of every day. Are they so stupid they can’t even turn on the internet, to the ISS   “INTERNATIONAL SPACE STATION”,  and see for themselves? I could have told you a long time ago that Berean and Danny both would have fallen for “Mikeboll’s “flat earth ” BS. 

    Peace and love to you and yours Proclaimer………..gene

    #938569
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Yes, much BS is spouted and you have to wonder about the calibre of a man that can be convinced of such an obvious lie. Such are ripe to join a cult.

    At the same time, I believe in free speech and I believe that people will choose that which is in their heart.

    If their heart is wayward, they will embrace wayward conspiracy theories.

    That said, my mission here is to not convince anyone that I am right, but to test all things and defend the truth and expose lies.

    Whoever including myself that discovers that they believe in a lie needs to change.

    If a person is revealed the truth but they resist it, then it is a sign that they may not have the Spirit of Truth in their heart.

    If they continually resist the truth, then it is almost certain that they lack the Spirit.

    We know them from their fruit.

    If the fruit is bad, so is the root.

    #938572
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Proclaimer…….I also believe in free speech,  but i also believe in acountability  of what a persons says  and also  holding him or her responsible for what they says .  You can’t aford to let this site be the source of such stupidy, that it eventually effects the whole site in a negitive way brother.

    We are told after two or three times of rebucking a person about some untruth especially an outright lie, , like a “flat earth” Which everyone in their right mind knows is not the truth, you should cut him off. Lest he drag down this whole site,  with his stupidity.  That is exactly what he is doing by making all these , “just you and me responses”, that way he can better devert from the truth by doing that , you need to block him from doing that.  Privatizing his conversations allows him a better opertunity to destort the truth .  

    Peace and love to you and your Proclaimer………..gene

    #938573
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Pretender:  Globe heads worked out the distance of the sun a very long time ago.

    That sounds like a good subject we can delve into.  Shall we do that?  Or are you only capable of copying and pasting completely baseless and unsubstantiated Scientism claims and then running away and hide like a little girl?

    Here’s your chance to have an in depth, honest, open-minded discussion about something that so far is just you saying words and nothing more.

    Let’s start with Copernicus.  How far away was the sun in his day?  What actually was his model of our solar system?  Any ideas?

    Ready, set… RESEARCH AND GET BACK TO ME ASAP.  Thanks.

    #938575
    Danny Dabbs
    Participant

    @t8

    I want to add something.
    Look at the following picture.
    Only the plane at the top does make sense:

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    #938576
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Gene:  Mike the reason i add the quotation marks , is because i wanted everyone who sees it to realize it just your stupid beliefs, not anyone elses here.

    But other people here DO believe the Biblical description of our world, Gene.  It’s NOT only me.

    Anyway, the question that you keep avoiding from me has absolutely nothing to do with the SHAPE of our world.

    Gen 1:7… God made the raqia to separate the waters below the raqia from the waters above the raqia.

    Gen 1:16-17… God made the sun, moon and stars and placed the IN the raqia.

    See Gene?  Nothing about the SHAPE of the world at all.  Instead, it is just the BIBLICAL teaching from God Himself that there are waters above the very thing that the sun, moon and stars are in.

    So whatever you want to call the thing that the sun, moon, and stars are in, you must either accept the BIBLICAL teaching that there are waters above it – or reject that BIBLICAL teaching.

    There simply is no other option for you and Pretender.   You guys either accept what God Himself said about the world He created… or you don’t.

    We have your answer already.  You are NOT Bible believers, and therefore are NOT to be taken seriously by those of us who DO believe the Bible as our ultimate authority.  End of story.

    #938578
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Danny: @t8

    I want to add something.
    Look at the following picture.
    Only the plane at the top does make sense:

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    Hi Danny.  I had an epiphany yesterday that is directly related to your image.

    I bought a drone that I can fly 5 miles away from me and then bring back.  If I launch the drone and raise it to 1 foot above the ground, it will remain at that exact level no matter how far straight forward I fly it away from me.

    So for example, I can launch it from the edge of a cliff, and raise it to 1 foot above the ground it took off from.  Then, if I fly it forward over the edge, the ground will drop off below it, but it will remain perfectly level with 1 foot above that cliff no matter how far I go.  Here’s an image to help Gene and Pretender out…

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    Okay, now here’s a graphic from one of the many earth curve calculators you can find online.  I made my drone the red X again, and the red dashes represent it flying perfectly level with the place it took off from – no matter how far to the right I fly it.  The green solid line represents how the earth will curve out from beneath the drone as it flies away from me.

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    So if the earth is a ball, then it is like this graphic above.  The farther to the right I fly my drone, the farther the curved earth will drop out from beneath it.  The drone will remain level with the starting point, but the earth will curve away underneath it.  If I fly it out 5 miles, the earth will have dropped 16.67 feet at the five mile mark- because that’s the amount of curvature Scientism tells us the earth has over a 5 mile distance.

    So, if I launch it from the edge of a lake or an ocean, and fly it out over the lake or ocean, then IF the earth is a ball, I will start at 1 foot above the water level, and at 5 miles away the drone will now be 17.67 feet above the water (represented by the red arrow that shows the height above the curved ball earth it would be at 5 miles away).

    On the other hand, if the earth is flat, then at 5 miles out, the drone will still be the same 1 foot above the water that it was when I launched it from the shore.

    Now, I just had this thought yesterday, and will do some preliminary tests today.  You guys are the ONLY people I’ve even mentioned it to.  So let’s take some bets.  Who here thinks that the drone will be higher than 1 foot above the water at 5 miles out because the ball earth will curve out from beneath it as it flies level?  And who here thinks it will remain the same distance above the water at the 5 mile distance because the earth, and therefore the water, is flat?

    I hypothesize that the drone will remain exactly the same distance above the water for the entire trip – even if I had the ability to fly it 100 miles over the surface of the lake or ocean.

    How about you, Danny?  Berean?  Gene?  Pretender?

     

    #938583
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    We are told after two or three times of rebucking a person about some untruth especially an outright lie, , like a “flat earth” Which everyone in their right mind knows is not the truth, you should cut him off. Lest he drag down this whole site,  with his stupidity.  That is exactly what he is doing by making all these , “just you and me responses”, that way he can better devert from the truth by doing that , you need to block him from doing that.

    Agreed. He has turned on a firehose of BS and low quality content. Further he is immune to correction, proof, and evidence.

    I want to cut all ties with him for sure and need to think of the best way to deal with this timewaster.

     

    #938586
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Mike, all your arguments have been debunked.

    So I think it is time to end this.

    Your either regurgitating the same old debunked BS, or coming up with new hypothesis that are just plain stupid.

    You lost buddy.

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