A message from a physicist and a message from a flat earther

Physicist

I am a physicist and it comes naturally to me that all planets are spheres mainly because of gravity.

The gravity of a planet is directly proportional to the planet’s mass and inversely proportional to the planet’s radius.

Gravity can be calculated 6.67*10^-11(planet mass/planet radius^2).

This also means that, according to Newton, the earth’s rotation does not have a particularly large effect on gravity.

The sun has the greatest gravitational force in our solar system, approx. 247N/kg or 247 m/s^2, which means that if you fall one meter on the sun, you will hit the “ground” with a speed of 247 m/s. Similarly, 1 kg on the Sun will be 247N, while on Earth 1 kg will only be 9.81N.

We have formulas to calculate the curvature of the earth, and these are very accurate.

Why do some people think the earth is flat? When all scientific findings indicate that all planets are spheres?
All scientific sources on the shape of the plates are available to anyone. Flat earth documentation is not available, logically enough because it doesn’t exist. As a physicist, I must be able to explain observations and natural phenomena through mathematics and scientific models. This is exactly what makes physics so exciting!

A model must be able to explain all phenomena and observations, you can do that on a sphere. On a flat earth it is not possible, so above all one does not use false values.

The globe rotates 360 degrees/24 hours. Our solar system is moving at 600,000m/s towards the center of the Milky Way where there is a gigantic hole with an enormous gravitational force. Since the acceleration is constant, we do not  notice any of this, so Newton’s second law is fulfilled.

If, on the other hand, the earth’s rotation increased or decreased, we would notice it because Newton’s second law will no longer be fulfilled.

I love my subject and am happy to answer questions, but do not respond to sarcasm.

– Physicist

Flat Earther

The earth is flat because I rolled a marble on a table and it disappeared bottom up. Although when I moved my head up a little to be level with the table, it didn’t do that for some reason.

I brought a small boat back into view that was too small to see, although I can’t bring the sun back for some reason.

The bible teaches the world is flat, although I cannot find one verse that teaches this.

The flat earth map is accurate and explains observation, although it doubles and triples distances in the southern hemisphere for some reason. But the southern hemisphere kind of doesn’t matter.

The globe earth conspiracy means millions are in on the secret, yet not one person has leaked the truth despite the anonymity of Wikileaks etc for some strange reason,

The flat earth is hidden from the populace because it proves that God exists. Although the scientific view proves an eternal God because the cosmos is so finely tuned for our existence, that the odds of it being random are greater than 1 in a number bigger than all the atoms of the universe. Further it does demonstrate the eternal nature of God, but it is just too big to give God the glory if you have a simple mind. The pizza model and dome on top which BTW to keeps the pizza warm and contained makes it easier to see that there is a God, although not a very impressive one.

– Flat Earther

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  • #937760
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Proclaimer, it’s sad that you can’t understand simple basic things like “up” and “down”.
    It beats me how you managed to pass elementary school.
    If this offends you, then know this when truth offends, you need to change.

    Danny, it’s sad that you can’t understand simple basic things like “up” and “down”.

    Instead, you believe in uppity and downity.

    Thanks, Mike. You hit the nail on the head.

    Translation: You hit the 2d nail on the flat head.

    #937761
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    “It is photoshopped, but it has to be”

    photoshopped

    #937762
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Mike……please show where i or proclaimer, said that.,  but the fact is, God is changing humans  by giving them the “SPIRIT of TRUTH”,  just as it says he is, …..“for God works “in” us both to “will” and do of his good pleasure”.

    Yes, the Spirit of Truth does not lead a man into lies.

    Teaching lies makes a person a false teacher.

    Saying the Bible teaches a flat earth, with no verse to support that view, means that person is putting the lie first, then pretending that the bible supports the lie. That is two lies.

    When you do not love the truth, God can send you a powerful delusion, so that you will believe the lie that you are seeking.

    #937763
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    rocket-trajectory

    Lol.

    #937768
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Hey Proclaimer, why do you suppose that after thousands of space missions, nobody has thought to strap a simple forward facing GoPro camera to any of those rockets so we could see a real-time live stream of them exiting the atmosphere and entering space, or arriving at the ISS or the Moon or Mars or Pluto or whatever?

    A little logical thinking is all that is required.

     

    Anyway, I’m still waiting for your and Gene’s next answer for what the waters above the raqia are.  Remember that God stretched out the heavens like a tent. So just translate raqia as “tent”.  The sun, moon, stars, and clouds are IN the tent. But what are the waters ABOVE the tent?

    #937769
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    GoPro and other camera footage of earth

    Hey Proclaimer, why do you suppose that after thousands of space missions, nobody has thought to strap a simple forward facing GoPro camera to any of those rockets so we could see a real-time live stream of them exiting the atmosphere and entering space, or arriving at the ISS or the Moon or Mars or Pluto or whatever?

    A little logical thinking is all that is required.

    A little logical SEARCH is all that is required.

    Anything else you need a hand with?

    This question has been successfully answered.

    #937770
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Why is a rocket trajectory curved after launch?

    No, it isn’t hitting the dome. Lol.

    #937771
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Mike, please answer this question about the raqia

    Anyway, I’m still waiting for your and Gene’s next answer for what the waters above the raqia are.  Remember that God stretched out the heavens like a tent. So just translate raqia as “tent”.  The sun, moon, stars, and clouds are IN the tent. But what are the waters ABOVE the tent?

    Already answered, but you can’t grasp it. So I’ll ask you a question based on your current understanding of one raqia / heaven. God is in the raqia / heaven. So answer this please and we’ll go from there:

    What are the waters above God?

    #937779
    Danny Dabbs
    Participant

    sfgd

    #937784
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    @dannyd

    The raqia is called heaven. God dwells in heaven. And the waters are above the raqia. Please explain why water is higher than the Most High. We await your answer.

    #937785
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    @dannyd

    Also explain why the sun goes down, which is possible in the heliocentric model, but not the flat earth model. Thank you in advance.

    The sun rises, and the sun goes down, and hastens to the place where it rises.

    Be angry and do not sin; do not let the sun go down on your anger,

    #937786
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    DANNY…….The Sun goes down,  because the earth is spinning at a rate of 1000 miles an hour, and the earth is 2400 miles in diamiter, so it takes 24 hours to make one complete turn,  if the earth were flat and we lived  in a dome, the sun would always be able to be seen. Right?

    Get a cheep telescope, look up into the sky and you can easely see the “Internatioal Space Station” in space going by, it is transmitting 24 hours a day   this earth as it travels around our Planet, anyone can view what it see as it travels around , they tranmitte it constantly, just go to the site and see for yourself.  Stop listening to these “flat earth”, fruit cakes.

    Peace and love to you and yours Danny…………gene

     

    #937788
    Danny Dabbs
    Participant

    @t8 @genebalthrop

    Hi Proclaimer and Gene,

    This image will explain everything accurate:

    fff

    #937789
    Berean
    Participant

     

    And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
    [7] Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. 

    God bless

    #937793
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    @dannyd is wrong

    This image will explain everything accurate:

    Danny, using the bible, there appears to be a number of errors with your diagram above. Let’s start with this one:

    And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

    And God called the firmament (raqia) Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

    So where does God dwell according to your model? In heaven which is the raqia and the raqia is below the waters.

    So let’s check that indeed God dwells in the heavens which is the name for the raqia.

    Not to us, O LORD, not to us but to your name be the glory, because of your love and faithfulness. Why do the nations say, “Where is their God?” Our God is in heaven; he does whatever pleases him.

    &

    And listen you to the supplication of your servant, and of your people Israel, when they shall pray toward this place: and hear you in heaven your dwelling place: and when you hear, forgive.

    And David built there an altar to the LORD, and offered burnt offerings and peace offerings, and called on the LORD; and he answered him from heaven by fire on the altar of burnt offering.

    To you lift I up my eyes, O you that dwell in the heavens.

    In case you think these verses could be few and mistranslated, go here for a comprehensive list:

    https://biblehub.com/topical/naves/h/heaven–god’s_dwelling_place.htm

    So I guess you can see the error in your diagram. According to it, God who dwells in heaven / raqia and the waters are above the raqia. Thus, your understanding should place God below the waters. Mike hasn’t resolved this conflict either.

    Danny, please adjust you diagram and repost so that God is below the waters. Or retract your diagram and apologise for teaching what is wrong.

    #937797
    Berean
    Participant

    <h2><span style=”color: #008000;”>And let them be for lights in <span style=”color: #ff0000;”>the firmament of the heaven</span> to give light upon the earth: and it was so. (Genesis 1:15)</span></h2>
    GOD DOES NOT Dwell IN <span style=”color: #ff0000;”>THE FIRMAMENT(raquiya) OF THE HEAVEN </span>
    <h2>BUT IN HEAVEN (shamayim)</h2>
    👇

    1Kings 8:49

    Then hear thou their prayer and their supplication in heaven thy dwelling place, and maintain their cause,…

     

    It is certainly the seventh Heaven that Paul tells us about.

    I do not see that Danny’s painting is false,

    So there is God in Heaven (Shamayim) Not the Firmament (Raqiya)
    AND
    Lights in Firmament (Raqiya) of Heaven (Shamayim)

    #937798
    Berean
    Participant

    And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. (Genesis 1:15)

    GOD DOES NOT Dwell IN THE FIRMAMENT(raquiya) OF THE HEAVEN( BUT IN HEAVEN (shamayim)

    👇

    1Kings 8:49

    Then hear thou their prayer and their supplication in heaven thy dwelling place, and maintain their cause,…

    It is certainly the seventh Heaven that Paul tells us about.

    I do not see that Danny’s painting is false,

    So there is God in Heaven (Shamayim) Not the Firmament (Raqiya)
    AND
    Lights in Firmament (Raqiya) of Heaven (Shamayim)

     

    #937800
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Gene:  In fact that is why i know you don’t have the,  Spirit (cognicity) of truth”, abiding “in” you because you can’t even precieve the simply fact that the earth is a sphere, not a flat rock floating around in space. 

    Biblical Earthers don’t think earth is a “flat rock floating around in space”, Gene.  There is no “outer space” in the Bible – or in reality.  Danny has just posted a few illustrations of our world according to the scriptures.  Why not look at them for a minute.  Think about them.  Ponder the scriptures that are included in those images… the scriptures that DESCRIBE what the images portray.

    Do you see a “flat rock floating around in space” in those images?

    In order for you to attempt to refute the Biblical Earth, you must first UNDERSTAND the Biblical Earth.  When you accuse us of believing in a “flat rock floating around in space”, you expose yourself as being ignorant about what the Bible teaches, and therefore what we believe is our reality.

    So what you’re doing is called a “strawman fallacy”.  You create your own image of what you THINK we believe, and then try to debunk the image that YOU created – which is NOT even what we believe.

    So do this instead… READ those Bible verses on Danny’s memes.  RECOGNIZE that these are indeed actual scriptural teachings.  UNDERSTAND that the images in those memes are accurate visual depictions of what the Bible teaches (not a “rock floating around in space”).  And then do your best to debunk, not us, but the BIBLE for teaching exactly what those memes say it teaches.

    Okay?  Your argument is not with me or any other Biblical Earther, Gene.  Your argument is with GOD and HIS OWN description of the world that He created.

    Cheers.

    #937801
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Danny:  Proclaimer, it’s sad that you can’t understand simple basic things like “up” and “down”.

    This all stemmed from Einstein and his ludicrous “Theory of Relativity” – which says that if you fall down on your face, it’s equally possible that the ground just jumped up and smacked you in the face instead.  🤣

    And from that grew a bunch of otherwise intelligent sons of God who were duped into believing that “up” and “down” are also relative.

    But Biblically and scientifically, there is a true UP and a true DOWN.  God’s throne and the thrones of the 24 elders that surround Him is always UP for EVERY person on earth.  Always – as in 24 hours a day for every single human being on earth.

    And that’s simply not possible on a ball.  End of story.

    #937802
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Danny:  Thanks, Mike. You hit the nail on the head.
    I’m glad that you are here.

    Danny, go outside tonight and look at the moon.  Then look at a distant streetlight.  Notice that they are equally bright.  Now picture in your mind what it would look like if we landed a mosquito astronaut on that streetlight.  Would the surface of the streetlight look anything like this?

    1969-First-men-on-the-moon-NASA2_tcm25-481162

    😆  Notice also the footprints.  That only happens in dirt that is exposed to moisture.  For instance, you’ll never see clear footprints like that in the middle of the extremely dry Sahara Desert, right?  Yet the moon is supposedly VOID of any moisture.  Now let’s take a closer look at that moon lander that was withstanding 10 to the negative 11 air pressure – the most powerful vacuum ever imagined by man.

    Apollo-14-Lunar-Module-LM-NASA-pano-1-crop-c

    😄🤣  It’s like a homeless tweaker shelter built from construction paper, mylar, scotch tape, and curtain rods.  Just look at those seals between the sheets of construction paper.  You could put your finger in the gaps – yet it was keeping out the extreme vacuum of space!

    Oh, and since the moon temp ranged from 392°F to -328°F, that piece of crap with zero insulation had to have the best AC and heater imaginable – which could run for 3 days on the 3 12-volt car batteries that were also powering the lights, cameras, navigation, and everything else!

    Oh, and notice the upside down tin bucket underneath it.  Yep, that’s the 10,000 pound thruster that didn’t even make a mark on the loose moon dust when it landed – let alone blow a huge crater into it!

    But, you know…  Gene saw it on TV, so therefore it MUST be real, right?  😎

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