Flat Earthers gather in New Zealand

Flat Earthers hold a conference in Auckland, with speakers from around the globe.

Flat Earth celebrities have flown across the globe to speak at the Flat Earth Expo in Auckland, New Zealand. Flat Earthers believe that we live on a flat plane rather than the accepted globe model. Flat Earthers also believe that most evidence to the contrary is controlled by a giant conspiracy of which NASA is at the forefront.

The Flat Earth model has the north pole in the centre of a flat circular disc and the South Pole as not existing at all. Instead, they believe that Antarctica is a giant encircling ice wall that hems in the world’s oceans. They point out that nearly all of us have never visited Antarctica, thus we rely on the testimony of a few who claim to have visited the frozen continent, and who are mostly lying to us and are part of the conspiracy. Flat Earthers are quick to point out that it is illegal to visit Antarctica. Whether this is true or not, the fact is, it is illegal to do a number of things in any protected wilderness areas of the world of which Antarctica is a special one.

This conference in Auckland comes with a huge opportunity. Flat Earthers flying to New Zealand from the Northern Hemisphere have a unique opportunity to prove to themselves that the Earth is not flat and instead the mostly accepted globe. They only need to travel via South America to New Zealand and note the hours spent getting there will be way less than their Flat Earth model would have you believe. You see, the Flat Earth disc with no south pole has New Zealand, Australia, South America, and Africa many times apart in distance from each other as the globe suggests, simply because, instead of reducing down to a single point we call the South Pole, the area of land in the Southern Hemisphere expands out to the giant ice wall circumference of the whole disc. This projection is similar to how we view Canada, Russia, or even Antarctica on most world maps where they are many times larger on these maps than they are in reality . This is because maps have difficulty projecting a 3D globe onto their 2D canvas. In essence, the Flat Earth model is a 2D construct as it is a flat surface albeit disc shape, so it has the Southern Hemisphere as being much larger in area than it really is.

Sitting in an isolated spot in the Southern Hemisphere, New Zealand gives these Flat Earthers travelling to Auckland the unique opportunity to debunk their own belief. But how many will actually test this out? I am thinking perhaps a few, but most of these guys will just be looking forward to rubbing shoulders with their Flat Earth brothers when they get here and on-route looking out toward the flat horizon because they are simply not flying high enough to see the curve.

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  • #831464
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    D4T:  What you are observing in your video is the magnification of objects and a mirage effect due to atmospheric interference, and an accumulative effect of waves that hide lower portions of any ship at a distance.

    I’ve got a good example that I filmed myself with my Dad and his golf cart.  I just have to muster the time to edit it and put the presentation together.  And thanks for returning to the x axis versus the z axis point again – because although I’ve tried to drive it home, I don’t think T8 has wrapped his head around it.

    #831465
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    T8:  It’s a sonic boom. Dig.

    A moving car’s contained atmosphere is relative to all enclosed in the car.

    It’s a whimper, not a boom at all.  What contains our air?  What is the enclosure?  Because surely the ball in the car wouldn’t behave the same if it didn’t have doors and a roof, right?  And surely it would behave even more differently if the door-less roof-less car was exposed to the most powerful vacuum known to man, right?

    So, if the car had no doors and no roof, would the same air that was in it at a standstill remain with it as it increased up to 100 mph?  Would that air cling to the open areas of the car as if velcroed to it?  If not, you are trying to compare apples to oranges… to which I say:

    “You can kick and scream all you like, but a person interested in the truth will easily see through a smokescreen that is deigned to hide the simple truth.”

     

    #831466
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    D4T:  Go with me in your mind to a very large conveyer belt about the circumference of the earth…

    Excellent post.

    #831467
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Gene:  Mike….That video is exactly right, that is exactly what happens if you take a plane theough those same manovers that is exactly what happens, i personely experience that, not as long as the did because they were are a higher altitude then i was. The qeuzeness is produced because you stomach muscles always have gravit pulling on them, when you remove the gravitional pull your stomach muscles constrict and causes you to feel quize. Everything in that vido is accurate. As i said i personally experienced it. So you conspiracy BS, won’t work on this for me at least.

    Only an idiot would disbelieve that, as far as I am concern, having personally experienced. Goes to show how truly you FLAT EARTH, fruit cakes are in denial. IMO

    Peace and love to you and yours. …..gene

    Gene, did you think I was saying vomit comets don’t exist?  🙂  My point is that they do exist, and it is how they fake a lot of the weightlessness they show in the ISS footage.  This is proven by the video where the guys suddenly came crashing down to the floor of the ISS.  On a personal note, have you received some spiritual guidance since I was last on HN?  I ask because I didn’t remember you doing all the name-calling back then that you do these days.  And it’s hypocritical of you to call me a fruit cake or a whack job and then follow it up with “Peace and love to you”… don’t you think?

    Here are a couple videos from my favorite YouTube content creator, The Potter’s Clay… just to give you the idea.  Of course there are literally HOURS of footage with these kinds of glitches that prove the ISS actors are performing in front of green screens.  The first is 3 minutes, the second 2 and a half minutes.

    #831468
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Kathi:  Mike, I stand by what I said regarding the lunar eclipse. The dark part is the umbra shadow and the lighter part is from the penumbra shadow. No part of the moon is getting direct sunlight.

    Let’s ignore for a moment the absurdity of the claim that the sun’s supposedly parallel rays converge and form a cone shaped shadow behind the earth that they they call umbra and penumbra.  (Do your own test with one light source and see if you can make a shadow like that using any round object.)  Let’s instead look at this image…

     

    Now in this case, would you agree that there is still a part of the moon being lit by the sun?  And is it the part of the moon that is NOT in the shadow of the earth?  And could it possibly be the opposite way, where the part of the moon still being lit by the sun is the part that IS in the shadow of the earth – while the part NOT in the shadow of the earth is the part of the moon that’s actually being progressively shadowed?

    See, you’re not thinking this out very well.  For the moon to be full according to your model, the sun MUST be lighting every bit of the moon we can see.  You seem to think that in these top-down eclipses, the moon jumps right from fully lit by the sun to half in the umbra and half in the penumbra.  Uh… how did the moon make it to the umbra without first going through a phase of half still lit by the sun, and half shadowed in the penumbra (like in the image above)?  It is this phase that I’m talking about, Kathi.  At the point the fully lit moon begins to first move into the penumbra (where a portion is still lit by the sun and a portion is slowly getting shadowed by the earth – as in the image above), the part that is in the penumbra shadow of the earth  cannot be the brighter part.  Nor can the part still being lit by the sun (as in the image above) be the shadowed, darker part.  But I’ve posted videos that show the moon going from 100% fully lit by the sun (allegedly) to starting to eclipse from the top down – long before the moon even gets to the umbra.

    So in the image above, imagine that the part of the moon that is IN the penumbra is the lit up part, while the part that is still out of the penumbra is becoming progressively shadowed from the side farthest away from the penumbra towards the part closer to the penumbra (ie: top-down from our perspective).  That is what I’m talking about, and what has been repeatedly documented.

    Kathi: How many examples of that top-down eclipse would I have to show you for you to believe what I said about the movement of the moon going from 5 degrees N or S of the elliptical plane to 5 degrees the other direction would it take from timeanddate.com in order for you to concede your disbelief???

    If you have actual video examples of top-down eclipses not on 12-10-11 or 1-31-18, I would absolutely love to see them and add them to the list.  But no amount of them will ever change what I’ve just explained to you above.  It would only add more ammunition to this undeniable proof that the heliocentric model is wrong.

    #831470
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Mike,

    My last post to you on this page was this:

    I stand by what I said regarding the lunar eclipse. The dark part is the umbra shadow and the lighter part is from the penumbra shadow. No part of the moon is getting direct sunlight.

    You said:

    It that were the case, we’d have people shooting footage of top-down eclipses for every single eclipse. It has only occurred on 12-10-11 and 1-31-18 as far as I’m currently aware.

    How many examples of that top-down eclipse would I have to show you for you to believe what I said about the movement of the moon going from 5 degrees N or S of the elliptical plane to 5 degrees the other direction would it take from timeanddate.com in order for you to concede your disbelief???

    You didn’t give me a number but what if I gave you one more example of a top down total lunar eclipse? How about two? Or three? or four? Not enough? How about 5 that I have found since I posted last on this page? (notice the time stamp)

    Top Down Eclipses in Phoenix, Arizona

    https://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/in/usa/phoenix?iso=20070828

     

    https://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/in/usa/phoenix?iso=19930604

     

    https://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/in/usa/phoenix?iso=19821230

     

    https://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/in/usa/phoenix?iso=19860424

     

    https://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/in/usa/phoenix?iso=19720130

     

    #831471
    Lightenup
    Participant
    #831473
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Mike,

    You are right that the Spirit spoke through him.

    You heard the message and understand.

    #831475
    Lightenup
    Participant

    TOP-DOWN TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE EXPLAINED IN THIS POST WITH THE SUPPORT OF THE PREVIOUS TWO POSTS.

    Mike and all interested in the top-down eclipse:

    Here in the first link is a total lunar eclipse from the Northern Hemisphere and the second link is the same lunar eclipse in the Southern Hemisphere. The one in the   Northern Hemisphere eclipses from the top down and the one in the Southern Hemisphere eclipses from the bottom up…opposite each other just as I suggested would happen, Mike.

    Total lunar eclipse August 28, 2007

    From California, the Northern Hemisphere (top down eclipse):

    https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-adk-adk_sbnt&hsimp=yhs-adk_sbnt&hspart=adk&p=total+lunar+eclipse+August+28%2C+2007#id=10&vid=6f2b31d43585ce330cee55e29d44dbd8&action=view

    From Australia, the Southern Hemisphere (bottom up eclipse):

    https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-adk-adk_sbnt&hsimp=yhs-adk_sbnt&hspart=adk&p=total+lunar+eclipse+August+28%2C+2007#action=view&id=7&vid=4bfdc7ea2d8030e40d36133f7e957ab7

    As a reminder, this is what I guessed would happen…the two opposite hemispheres would witness the same moon eclipsing two different ways, I said “Here are my thoughts about the lunar eclipse as it eclipses from the top down or from the bottom up. It has to do with what hemisphere you are on. In other words, to those on the Northern hemisphere, if the moon is going from 5 degrees north of the ecliptic plane to 5 degrees south of the ecliptic plane in it’s orbit, it will eclipse from the bottom up and if it is going from 5 degrees south of the ecliptic plane to 5 degrees north of the ecliptic plane it will eclipse from the top down. The darkest part of the moon during a lunar eclipse is the shadow of the umbra, the lighter part of the moon during a lunar eclipse is the shadow of the penumbra not direct sunlight.”

    See here to view how the moon is traveling from left to right in the diagram (because it is being viewed from down under) and you can see the angle of the moon’s orbit. The moon is going from north of its ecliptical plane to south of its ecliptic plane.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_2007_lunar_eclipse

    This should explain enough about a top-down lunar eclipse to realize it is not an unusual phenomena.

    Still hopeful,

    LU

    #831487
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Mike….Sorry for the insults, your right i should be kinder, but sometimes i get so fustraighted, especially when something is so clear to me, but you are right it is hypocritical of me, to speak that way and say “peace and love to you and yours”, please forgive me.

    Peace and love to you and yours…….gene

    #831492
    Dig4truth
    Participant

    So the people that take a flat earth for real are … not right? What about the US government, Russian government, NASA and the Ivy League Universities which are doing research for the government? Well, take a look;

     

    Gov’t Admits FLAT EARTH

     

    There are numerous official documents from NASA, the Government both USA and Russia, and Universities doing research for the Government that use measurements based on a STATIONARY FLAT EARTH.

    Why would they do that?

    These are top secret documents released by the Freedom of information act. Some are slightly redacted even today.

    I welcome any explanation as to why they would use flat earth mathematics instead of a curved earth mathematics.

    Any explanation? ….

    #831493
    Dig4truth
    Participant

    Do yourselves a favor and watch the videos because it puts it in context and has the advantage of someone walking you through the documents. He is a passionate preacher that loves Yeshua! These are just facts. Look at them or bury your head in the sand. It will be evident by your replies.

    #831494
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Here Mike,

    If you still need more information on the top-down/bottom-up total lunar eclipse go see the differences at these links.

    At this link you will notice that the path that the moon goes on is tilted high on the left and low on the right. That is in the Southern Hemisphere in August 2007.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_2007_lunar_eclipse

    You will see that path from the Southern Hemisphere gives you a moon eclipsing from the bottom-up in this real live video in August 2007.

    See that here: https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-adk-adk_sbnt&hsimp=yhs-adk_sbnt&hspart=adk&p=total+lunar+eclipse+August+28%2C+2007#action=view&id=7&vid=4bfdc7ea2d8030e40d36133f7e957ab7

    Now, at this link, you will notice that the path that the moon goes on is tilted high on the right and low on the left. That is also the Southern Hemisphere and it is coming up in July 2018.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_2018_lunar_eclipse

    You will see that path from the Southern Hemisphere gives you a moon eclipsing from the top-down in this animated video here:

    https://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/in/australia/brisbane

    All that to show you that the total lunar eclipse, eclipses from different places (i.e. top-down or bottom-up) depending on whether the path of the moon’s orbit is going from north of the elliptic plane towards the south of the elliptic plane or visa versa.

    Really hope that helps!

    LU

    #831499
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Mike: how many do you suppose have left because the Bible clearly describes an enclosed flat earth with sun, moon and stars moving around it overhead – while scientism has convinced them that this belief is silly?

    Nearly all like myself understand from our perspective things look a certain way, but that is not the only perspective. They already understand that perspectives are local and not the full truth, rather derive from the full truth. But if Christians who promote the book all agreed that our perspective was the only perspective or truth, thereby ruling out other views that create our perspective, then millions would not take anything seriously in scripture.

    In short, full acceptance of a flat earth as being the only truth thereby ruling out increased knowledge, then they would brand the book as stone age mumbo jumbo.

    Thankfully that won’t happen, but people who come into contact with flat Earthers will for sure be put off the Bible if they know little about the Bible themselves.

    It is a stumbling block for sure.

    Truth and perspective

    For sure those that lay stumbling blocks will have to give an account. It is silly to say our perspective is the only truth. That is narrow mindedness. Especially now that we have increased knowledge that explains and predicts our view. Perspective is true, but it is not the truth even if it is true.

    #831501
    Dig4truth
    Participant

    LU: I’m sorry but every time you bring up the “top down” eclipse it seems that it is a <b>simulated</b> piece of evidence and not a direct “observational and repeatable” piece of evidence.

     

     

    #831502
    Dig4truth
    Participant

    T8, So your saying that what we see is more important than what what the Word of God says?

    #831503
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    I welcome an explanation for why your link failed, D.   😀

    Kathi, I’ve read your latest posts, but don’t have time to respond yet.

    Gene, of course you’re forgiven.  D4T and I have spent the last few years battling atheist evolutionists, so we’re used to much worse than “fruit cake”.  🙂

    #831504
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Dig4,

    You claim to nobly stand on the foundation of scripture?

    No just your ideas of what scripture means forms the basis of your obsession.

     

    #831505
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Hi Dig4truth,

    I have some live footage on page 129 but here are some more. The first link is a top-down eclipse from Newport Beach, CA on August 28, 2007, the second link is the same eclipse filmed from Seattle, WA, both in the Northern Hemisphere. The last link is the same eclipse taken from the Southern Hemisphere and it eclipses from the bottom up. It has to do with the movement of the moon on its circuit around the earth as it goes from its position 5 degrees North to 5 degrees south of the elliptic plane or visa versa as well as which hemisphere you are on. When those of us in the Northern Hemisphere watch a total lunar eclipse start getting dark at the top and move towards the bottom of the moon, the moon is going from the south position of the elliptic plane and moving towards the north position of the elliptic plane.

    Top-down eclipse, August 28, 2007 from Newport Beach, CA.

    https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-adk-adk_sbnt&hsimp=yhs-adk_sbnt&hspart=adk&p=total+lunar+eclipse+August+28%2C+2007#id=27&vid=24a46f39301799fa5b3082de8510f2f4&action=view

    Top-down eclipse, August 28, 2007 from Seattle, WA.

    https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-adk-adk_sbnt&hsimp=yhs-adk_sbnt&hspart=adk&p=total+lunar+eclipse+August+28%2C+2007#id=28&vid=cfa8467a0d74dd94abe5dfadce339884&action=view

    Same eclipse on Southern Hemisphere in Australia. You can see it eclipsing from the bottom to the top:

    https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-adk-adk_sbnt&hsimp=yhs-adk_sbnt&hspart=adk&p=total+lunar+eclipse+August+28%2C+2007#id=37&vid=496374b779e6e953fd29efc986588a59&action=view

    I can find several examples of animated eclipses from the top-down. They will show you that the moon is much brighter in the penumbra shadow than it seems you guys think. The darkest part of the shadow is the umbra. You do not see direct sunlight on the moon while it is being covered in the shadow of the umbra, you see the shadow of the penumbra which makes the moon look much brighter than the umbra shadow does.

    #831506
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    T8, So your saying that what we see is more important than what what the Word of God says?

    No. Read my post or posts again. Take your time and you won’t need to ask that question again.

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