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The Holy Spirit is the spirit of the Father

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The Trinity Doctrine is so preposterous that it contradicts the most basic and simple truths in scripture and causes much confusion and unnecessary division.

For example, the Holy Spirit came to Mary instead of Mary’s husband Joseph. Thus is the Holy Spirit the Father of Jesus, or is the Father? Explain that one with the confusing dogma of the Trinity.

John 15:26
“But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.

The Holy Spirit is the spirit of the Father and is not another person, nor an equal partner of a triune God.

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  • March 21, 2015 at 9:47 am#791246
    NickHassan
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    Hi C,

    Yes you have your own ideas.

    Enjoy them.

    March 21, 2015 at 11:29 am#791255
    kerwin
    Participant

    Charles,

    I find your arguments lacking in reason and so hard to follow. It may be the result of you leaving evidence and the work you did reasoning out. You claim God creates things in three and yet humanity is a unique creation. The flaw within your basic causes the rest of what you argue based on it to become unsound.

    That you choose to hold to such unsound teachings makes them your own ideas even when you stumble across one that agrees with the truth.

    March 21, 2015 at 11:33 am#791256
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    Hi davidl,

    The nature of God does not have to be found by reasoning.

    God is one.

    God has a Son.

    You are just preaching to the choir as DavidL believes that the truth of God cannot be found by reason. I tend to believe people because their teachings are not in agreement with the sound and valid reasoning God uses in Scripture. After all, Jesus spoke truly when he declared that Scripture cannot be broken.

    March 21, 2015 at 11:37 am#791257
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    Reason alone will lead to understanding of the nature of God as it is Spiritually discerned. I believe God chooses to reveal it to some by inspiration but clearly not to those that hear the word from others or find it in Scriptures.

    March 21, 2015 at 11:58 am#791262
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    Did you forget a NOT?

    Grace is all.

    March 21, 2015 at 12:02 pm#791264
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    Reason is not of the Spirit but of man.

    And it is very limited in spiritual application.

    But many worship at this personal individual temple

    March 21, 2015 at 12:50 pm#791271
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    Grace is a given as it is the only way anyone receives anything from God.

    March 21, 2015 at 9:04 pm#791305
    carmel
    Participant

     

    I find your arguments lacking in reason

    Kerwin,

    WITH THE ABOVE:

    YOU YOURSELF DECLARED THAT:

    YOU LACK REASONING

    SINCE YOU SAID SO, AND NEVER THROUGH WHAT YOU CALL REASONING,WHICH YOU CONSIDER YOURSELF FULL OF,

    DIDN’T PROVE WHAT YOU DECLARED!

    and so hard to follow.

    WELL I MYSELF FOUND IT DIFFICULT TO WALK, AT THE AGE OF 10 MONTHS!

    TO TALK AT THE SAME AGE

    TO EAT AT THE SAME AGE AND SO ON…..

    THAT DIDN’T MEAN THAT I HAD TO REMAIN AS I WAS, AND THAT TO CHANGE TO WHAT I AM NOW ,REGARDING THE ABOVE, IS NOT RIGHT!

    WHAT I DID, I KEPT ON INSISTING TO WALK,TALK, EAT AND SO ON ,LIKE I AM DOING NOW, ALTHOUGH

    I NEVER WAS AWARE THAT IN THAT TEMPORARY CONDITION I WAS LIKE IN MISERY NOT TO WALK ,TALK AND EAT,AS NOW!

    SO YOU WOULD BE IN A WAY, WITH EVERY RESPECT, IN THE SAME STATE

    IF NOW, YOU FIND IT DIFFICULT, TO WALK, TALK ,EAT, AND SO ON

    SPIRITUALLY,

    IN ORDER TO BE AWARE AND REALIZE WHAT WOULD BE TO WALK, TALK, EAT, AND SO ON IN THE TRUTH!

    It may be the result of you leaving evidence and the work you did reasoning out. You claim God creates things in three

    AGAIN YOU NEVER, WITH YOU REASONING, MENTIONED ONE WORD WHICH JUSTIFIED YOU SAYINGS!

    and yet humanity is a unique creation.

    HUMANITY IS NOT UNIQUE:

    SINCE IT IS CREATED IN:

    GOD’S OWN IMAGE

    GOD’S OWN LIKENESS

    The flaw within your basic causes the rest of what you argue based on it to become unsound.

    THE SAME ERROR, AND EMPTINESS FROM YOUR SIDE AS PROOF THAT YOU STILL NEED TO

    WALK, TALK AND EAT, AND SO ON IN THE TRUTH BUT PREFERRED TO REMAIN LOCKED WITHIN YOURSELF, WANDERING IF I AM RIGHT OR IF YOU ARE RIGHT!

    That you choose to hold to such unsound teachings makes them your own ideas even when you stumble across one that agrees with the truth.

    AN EMPHASIS OF YOUR,PERMIT ME TO SAY PRIDE,

    NOT ABLE TO DECLARE AND PROVE WHERE ACCORDING TO YOUR REASONING IS NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH THE TRUTH!

    I LEAVE YOU WITH THIS SCRIPTURE:

    Matthew 7:6 Give not that which is holy to dogs; neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest perhaps they trample them under their feet, and turning upon you, they tear you.

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    March 21, 2015 at 10:40 pm#791310
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    DavidL

    God the Son? I did a bible search and here are the results: 0 Bible results for “God the son”

    I could be wrong but has anyone ever read that phrase from any version of any bible ever?

    “God the son”?

    Have you actually read the bible? I have and I will tell you Christianity was not something new that came out of nowhere because it is based on Judaism and what the Jews believe in, you do understand that Jesus was Jewish right? If you know those things already please note that I am not questioning the things you may already know but for the sake of brevity I bring these things up.

    So I have to ask you, what did Jesus mean when he said:

    John 4:22
    Ye worship ye know not what; we worship what we know, for salvation is of the Jews.

    Why does Jesus include himself in saying “we worship what we know”? Obviously at that time there was no trinity theology for a Jew to even know and Jews today don’t believe what trinitarians believe so what was this theology and belief that Jesus was talking about? What did he and the Jews worship, because I want to worship who Jesus worships can you explain for me?

    March 22, 2015 at 8:10 am#791333
    DavidL
    Participant

    God the Son…

     

    ..so you did a Bible search, and Yippee !! nothin there, so you must be right…!!  How about you do a word search for “Rapture” and see what you come up with…!! does that disprove the fact of saints meeting Christ in the air just because your specific word isn’t found in Biblical terminology..!?

     

    You come up with questions (that you probably hijack from other arguments) and ask if I can explain them for you…but are you sincere – do you actually listen …or will you just keep dredging up more excuses to hide behind..?

     

    The whole of Scripture testifies of the Divinity of Christ…John 1:1 puts Jesus in the beginning with God, AS GOD..

     

    ..I have taken time to explain..but do you have ears to hear and eyes to see..?

    March 22, 2015 at 8:32 am#791336
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    The divinity of Christ?

    God was IN CHRIST reconciling the world to Himself 2cor 5.19

    March 22, 2015 at 8:34 am#791340
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    If Jesus was divine then would God be in him as well?

    Doubly divine??

    March 22, 2015 at 8:42 am#791348
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    trinity is a human fabrication to help natural men try to grasp spiritual things.

    You must be born again.

     

    March 22, 2015 at 9:10 am#791350
    DavidL
    Participant

    How does one become born again, Nick…?

    March 22, 2015 at 9:34 am#791352
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Peter spoke of the way of salvation at Pentecost and all men can obey that message.

    Jesus enlarged on in in Jn 3 and the Acts of the apostles demonstrates it for you over and over again.

     

    But men prefer theology and their trinity.

     

    March 22, 2015 at 9:44 am#791355
    DavidL
    Participant

    so, at what point does one become born again – is it just a slow process… you wake up one day and realize you’re a different person..? or is it an instantaneous experience that takes place at a certain point in time..?

    March 22, 2015 at 9:46 am#791356
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Try it and see.

    The wind blows where it will.

    Studying the process from outside is foolishness.

     

    March 22, 2015 at 9:49 am#791357
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Read the book of Acts and see for yourself what the Spirit of God did among men

    Nothing has changed. That promise remains.

    Acts 2.39

    March 22, 2015 at 9:49 am#791358
    DavidL
    Participant

    I know I’m born again because of the changes in my heart when I gave my life to Jesus Christ…but I ‘m questioning you because I don’t sense that you hare had this same experience..

    March 22, 2015 at 9:51 am#791360
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Is that sufficient evidence? Does God agree all righteousness is fulfilled?

    Seek the three witnesses of 1 Jn 5

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