The Holy Spirit is the spirit of the Father

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April 9, 2015 at 9:26 am#793365
bodhitharta
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DavidL
Exodus 3:2
And the angel of Jehovah appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.
Acts 7:30
And when forty years were fulfilled, an angel appeared to him in the wilderness of Mount Sinai, in a flame of fire in a bush.
See David you just need to work it out
April 9, 2015 at 9:30 am#793367
DavidL
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bodhitharta..
t8 uses a lot of stolen arguments to bolster his false doctrine…he takes this verse (out of context) because it is the same one Arius used to try and deny the trinity centuries ago..
Yes – Jesus calls God the only true God, and Himself the Christ who God has sent… yet those who accept the truth of the trinity have no conflict with this verse…
While it may seem on the surface to contradict belief in the trinity… by seemingly showing Jesus as separate to the Father – it is, in reality, only confirming Their Oneness – (I and the Father are One)…eternal life is in knowing the Father AND the Son..NOT the Father alone…
Scripture confirms this unity over and over..in fact, if we deny the Son in any way, Scripture itself declares that neither do we have the Father…

April 9, 2015 at 9:36 am#793370
DavidL
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Exodus 33:19-23 was the reference I gave to Kerwin concerning the form of God..(which he refutes)
“And He said, ‘I Myself will make all My goodness pass before you, and will proclaim the name of the LORD before you; and I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show compassion on whom I will show compassion.’ But He said, ‘You cannot see My face, for no man can see Me and live!’ Then the LORD said, ‘Behold, there is a place by Me, and you shall stand there on the rock; and it will come about, while My glory is passing by, that I will put you in the cleft of the rock and cover you with My hand until I have passed by. Then I will take My hand away and you shall see My back, but My face shall not be seen.'”
April 9, 2015 at 9:53 am#793375
bodhitharta
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DavidL
While it may seem on the surface to contradict belief in the trinity… by seemingly showing Jesus as separate to the Father – it is, in reality, only confirming Their Oneness – (I and the Father are One)…eternal life is in knowing the Father AND the Son..NOT the Father alone…
Scripture confirms this unity over and over..in fact, if we deny the Son in any way, Scripture itself declares that neither do we have the Father…
Notice it doesn’t say Father and Son it says “The ONLY TRUE GOD” And also Jesus Christ the one God sent, so their are two distinct titles there “God” and “Christ”……The Father in this example is the One True God and the son in this example is the one true Christ: Acts 2:22 “Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.
If you deny the man that God approves you deny God because the two are one
1 Samuel 8:7 And the LORD told him: “Listen to all that the people are saying to you; it is not you they have rejected, but they have rejected me as their king.
If you deny the man the God approves you deny God because the two are one
April 9, 2015 at 10:41 am#793378
NickHassan
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Hi BD,
You deny the Son of God.
You find fault with his teachings
reflect.
April 9, 2015 at 2:05 pm#793402
Ed J
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Hi David L,
Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them
in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the HolySpirit
in the name of the Father [יהוה] YÄ-hä-vā – OK, we got that name
in the name of the Son [יהשוע] YÄ-shü-ă – OK, we got that name
in the name of the HolySpirit What’s the name of the HolySpirit?
Do you need help?
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God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _______________________________________________________________________________________________________
”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GOD
April 9, 2015 at 2:52 pm#793409
AndrewAD
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If you deny the man the God approves you deny God because the two are one
Yes Bod the godman and god are one-you are quite right!
April 9, 2015 at 3:14 pm#793415
bodhitharta
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DavidL
Genesis 4:7 (KJ21) | In Context | Whole Chapter
7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? And if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.”
Who is “him” in the sentence?
April 9, 2015 at 3:35 pm#793417
NickHassan
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Hi BD,
This is what you quote in another thread
Genesis 4:7
7 If thou doest well, shall it not be lifted up? and if thou doest not well, sin coucheth at the door: and unto thee shall be its desire, but do thou rule over it
Who is confused?
April 9, 2015 at 3:47 pm#793419
bodhitharta
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Not me because one translation says”it” and the other say “him” this just proves the point about the “word” some people when seeing “he” they say it’s Jesus but others seeing “it” don’t see it as literally Jesus but The Word of God that created Jesus. What do you say?
April 9, 2015 at 3:50 pm#793421
NickHassan
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Hi BD,
In which context?
April 12, 2015 at 9:08 pm#793788
carmel
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God created space and time. Space is the dimensions of height, length, and width. My body occupies those three dimensions as does anyone else s. To believe God has a body then you must also believe that the three dimensions of space have always existed for that body to exist.
Kerwin,
Space itself is the MYSTERIOUS DIMENSION WHICH WE CALL GOD!
God himself sustains all whatever is in that dimension!
That space although it is empty it is well understood that it isn’t at all EMPTY!
ALSO AS I EXPLAINED in the previous post, OBVIOUSLY NOT MY OWN, BUT THROUGH A REVELATION, SPIRITS AND UNIQUELY,GOD’S OWN SUBSTANCE IS THE THE TINIEST ELEMENT WHICH NO MICROSCOPE COULD EVER BE INVENTED IN ORDER TO MAKE IT POSSIBLE TO BE SEEN!
THE FACT THAT GOD’S ELEMENT COULD PENETRATE RIGHT THROUGH ALL THE PORES OF ALL MATTER, AND THEN IN AN EXTREME STAGGERING SPEED MOST PROBABLY, MORE THEN LIGHT, HE COULD FORM ALL KINDS OF BODIES AS HE SEES FIT,NO MATTER WHAT,
SINCE JESUS IS THE PROPERTY OF ALL MATTER
GOD OF ALL FLESH
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
April 12, 2015 at 9:26 pm#793789
NickHassan
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Hi C,
A gnostic revelation?
col3.18
‘ Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize,…. taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind..”
April 13, 2015 at 2:11 am#793796
kerwin
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Charles,
Space itself is the MYSTERIOUS DIMENSION WHICH WE CALL GOD!
God is the creator and Space is the created for God created all things by his word. He cannot be any size and even the smallest size means that dimensions have always existed and therefore are not created. If dimensions have always existed then so has our universe though it was originally empty of all but God.
According to Scripture the heavens cannot contain God, not even the highest of then. You claim the universe can contain him.
April 13, 2015 at 8:33 am#793821
carmel
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God is the creator and Space is the created for God created all things by his word.
Kerwin,
For the sake of clarification:
space
noun
1. a continuous area or expanse which is free, available, or unoccupied.
synonyms: room, expanse, extent, capacity, area, volume, spaciousness, scope, latitude, expansion, margin, leeway, play, …….
now I said:
Space itself is the MYSTERIOUS DIMENSION WHICH WE CALL GOD!
ARE YOU DENYING THAT SPACE IS A MYSTERIOUS DIMENSION?
ARE YOU DENYING THAT GOD AS A BEING HAS HIS OWN UNFATHOMABLE DIMENSIONS?
Now since as you can read from above SPACE is an empty area, or an expanse unoccupied!
It isn’t the actual state which existed before anything was ever created?
It isn’t that, that empty space, or an expanse a confirmation that in the truth,
IT WAS NOT AN EMPTY SPACE OR AN EXPANSE AT ALL, BUT IN THE TRUTH IT WAS THE INVISIBLE ALMIGHTY GOD HIMSELF IN HIS OWN UNFATHOMABLE DIMENSIONS, OCCUPYING WHATEVER THAT MYSTERIOUS SPACE UP TO NOW IS! AND ALSO INCESSANTLY EXPANDING!
THEN I SAID:
God himself sustains all whatever is in that dimension!
OBVIOUS WHICH HE HIMSELF CREATED AND IT IS WHAT WE CALL UNIVERSES!
AND THROUGH ITS CREATION GOD STARTED TO BE IN MOTION BEFORE HE WAS SIMPLY IN A KIND OF STATIC OCCUPYING THAT MYSTERIOUS WHAT FOR US WAS:
EMPTY SPACE!
He cannot be any size and even the smallest size means that dimensions have always existed and therefore are not created.
OH!!!! so you are certain that God hasn’t got his own unfathomable DIMENSIONS and in the same time he is a being, HE HAS A HEAD, A HAND, A HEART, A SOUL,AND SO ON
CAN ANY BEING EXISTS WITHOUT HIS RESPECTIVE DIMENSIONS!
CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT
MAN HAS
AND MAN IS THE IMAGE AND LIKENESS OF GOD!
NOW CAN YOU FATHOM THIS TINIEST ELEMENT WHICH NO MICROSCOPE COULD EVER BE INVENTED IN ORDER TO MAKE IT POSSIBLE TO BE SEEN, AND ALSO ESTABLISH HIS UNIQUE GENUINE DIMENSIONS? IF IT COULD BE CALLED SO, SINCE NOT EVEN A KIND OF MEASURING TOOL IS AVAILABLE?
SO IN THE TRUTH GOD
BOTH HAS HIS OWN DIMENSIONS AND HASN’T GOT AT ALL, FROM OUR POINT OF VIEW!
SINCE WE CANNOT DETERMINE UNLESS WE FIRST MANUFACTURE A KIND OF MEASURING TOOL JUST FOR HIM, AND ALSO WONDERING HOW ON EARTH ARE WE GOING TO USE,HOLD AND SEE, SINCE NO MICROSCOPE COULD NEVER BE AVAILABLE NEVER MIND THE MEASURING TOOL!
If dimensions have always existed then so has our universe though it was originally empty of all but God.
THAT’S RIGHT KERWIN YOU ARE WITH ME:
empty of all but God.
THAT EMPTINESS IS GOD!
BUT IT WAS NOT EMPTINESS AT ALL
THEN OCCURRED THE BIG BANG FROM THE CENTRE OF THAT WHAT FOR US WAS AN EMPTY SPACE!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
April 14, 2015 at 10:12 pm#794069
Proclaimer
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DavidL,
You contradict yourself constantly about reasoning and so I get the idea you have no idea what you are speaking of. You cannot compare two scriptures to each other unless you use reasoning.
Paul is recorded as reasoning using Scriptures in Acts 17:2. You have lied repeatedly and it is necessary for you to realize this is so in order for you to discover your teachings to not always agree with Scripture. It is not a sin to use reason but instead God instructs you to reason with him and to test the spirits of what you hear and believe.
Amen @Kerwin.

@DavidL. perhaps try prayer and fasting.
April 16, 2015 at 5:33 am#794224
DavidL
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You contradict yourself constantly about reasoning

Reasoning is basic to our natural understanding, but when it comes to comprehending spiritual realities – it simply falls short.
When Nicodemus queried Jesus about the new birth, it just did not make sense to his natural mind… “How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born?”
Likewise the trinity cannot be understood in natural terms, and like Nicodemus you also come up with ludicrous ideas, like…
The Spirit is the Spirit OF God
Yeshua is the son OF God.
So is the Father, the Father of God?

You claim to be a teacher of truth, and yet Like Nicodemus you are trying to grasp spiritual realities with your finite mind… when the things of the Spirit are discerned by the Spirit..
“This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words. The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.” – 1 Cor 2:13
April 16, 2015 at 7:19 am#794240
NickHassan
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Hi davidl,
Only problem is what Jesus said to Nicodemus is written.
But scripture says nothing about any babylonian trinity.
So it is of human wisdom and not the wisdom of God
April 16, 2015 at 7:53 am#794249
DavidL
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If Scripture says nothing about any babylonian trinity..
Then how come you oppose me for believing the same thing you profess…?
We can have communion with BOTH Father and Son in the one Spirit.
ie…the Tri-unity of Father, Son and Holy Spirit…??
Could it be that your extra-biblical studies on triad beliefs has actually blinded you to the reality of this unity in Scripture…???
April 16, 2015 at 8:34 am#794251
bodhitharta
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HI DavidL
Likewise the trinity cannot be understood in natural terms, and like Nicodemus you also come up with ludicrous ideas, like…
The Spirit is the Spirit OF God
Yeshua is the son OF God.
So is the Father, the Father of God?
I just wanted to say here that you called that progression ludicrous but it is your belief that the Father is the Father of God because you said clearly that
Jesus is God and you agree that Jesus is the Son of God
You also said 100% that Jesus is Son of the Father since the Father is also God then yes you believe that the Father is The Father of God(Jesus)
You do believe that God the Father is the Father of God the Son, right?
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