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The Holy Spirit is the spirit of the Father

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The Trinity Doctrine is so preposterous that it contradicts the most basic and simple truths in scripture and causes much confusion and unnecessary division.

For example, the Holy Spirit came to Mary instead of Mary’s husband Joseph. Thus is the Holy Spirit the Father of Jesus, or is the Father? Explain that one with the confusing dogma of the Trinity.

John 15:26
“But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.

The Holy Spirit is the spirit of the Father and is not another person, nor an equal partner of a triune God.

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  • April 8, 2015 at 8:32 am#793200
    NickHassan
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    Hi BD,

    Would you now try to find more division?

    There is no longer jew and gentile.

    There is only the way of Jesus.

     

    Divide and rule is your hope but you handle it so poorly.

     

    the Good Shepherd shows the way

    April 8, 2015 at 8:36 am#793201
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    Do you have to go into a certain building to pray?

    True believers worship in spirit and truth.

    They are temples of the holy Spirit.

    April 8, 2015 at 8:39 am#793202
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    Do you rely on men for guidance?

    Why not follow the one you call the messiah?

    April 8, 2015 at 2:58 pm#793252
    AndrewAD
    Participant

    Nick,you ask if Bd relies on men for guidance,but to you Jesus Messiah is a mere man and you rely on him for guidance right?

    April 8, 2015 at 3:43 pm#793253
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Andrew,

    We know longer speak of Jesus according to the flesh.

    The Word made flesh is the voice of God.

    Flesh contributes nothing

    April 8, 2015 at 4:02 pm#793256
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Andrew,

    Can you follow the man Jesus?

    Can you too become a vessel suitable for God to use for his purposes?

     

     

    April 8, 2015 at 6:47 pm#793261
    DavidL
    Participant

    Kerwin

    Philippians 2:6 – “who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped.”

    you say…

    I do not believe God has an outer form..

    if you say God has no form.. then how was man created in His image…?

    again, if God has no outer form.. then who did Moses see on mount Sinai, that told him, “Then I will take My hand away and you shall see My back, but My face shall not be seen.”..??

    But.. whatever your strange idea of God’s form is, or isn’t – this verse clearly shows that Jesus existed with God before His earthly birth..

     

    John 17:5 – “Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.”

    This is Jesus asking God to fulfill what the plan God has had for Jesus since before the world began..

    so….the glory Jesus had with God before the world began.. was just a ‘plan’ ..!!??

    are you kidding..?

    how do you concoct these strange ideas when Scripture is so clear..??

     

    “He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him.”

    We have the abstract concept of the Word of God personalized as a male..

    Jesus is the incarnation of the abstract concept of God’s word..

    your abstract concept of the Word of God seems to fall short of John’s revelation of Jesus as the Word… you also seem to nullify God’s Word with your vague concepts, much like the Pharisees did with their man-made doctrines..

     

    The Scriptures teach plainly that Jesus preexisted with God, in the form of God, as God…

    Maybe your own concepts (like t8) have also been formed out of bias against the trinity – but they are definitely not the product of Divine inspiration..!!

     

    April 9, 2015 at 5:56 am#793330
    carmel
    Participant

     

    I do not believe God has an outer form as he existed before he created space and if there is no space there is no outer form. That is why he is called the invisible God.

    Kerwin,

    You consider yourself well informed but then you say: I DO NOT BELIEVE …….

    That PHRASE is the easiest solution to all God’s mysteries! SINCE WE ARE IN THE FAITH PROCESS!

    NOW I TELL YOU THIS , WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT:

    GOD HAS A BODY!

    BUT THE FACT THAT HE IS

    INVISIBLE IT IS NOT BECAUSE HE HASN’T A BODY, SINCE WE CANNOT SEE OTHER CREATURES WHO HAS A MICRO BODY!

    BUT SIMPLY BECAUSE GOD’S UNIQUE SUBSTANCE IS THE TINIEST DUST LIKE BODY WHICH IS NEVER POSSIBLE TO INVENT A MICROSCOPE IN ORDER TO MAKE IT VISIBLE THROUGH IT!

    In order for God to create, He compresses his spirit,IN VARIOUS MYRIAD KINDS OF SUBSTANCES!

    IN THIS WAY GOD WOULD BE IN ALL THE ENTIRE EXISTENCE! NO MATTER WHAT!

    SO TINY BUT SO ALMIGHTY!

    THE PARADOX OF GOD

    IN FACT SPIRITS DO NOT VANISH ACTUALLY BUT SIMPLY BECOME IN AN EXTREME SPEED DUST, AND SPREAD INTO THE ENTIRE SPACE!

    I believe that all spirits are around us, both angels and devils, and on JESUS’ order they simply move accordingly!

    ALSO JESUS IS THE ONLY BEING THAT OWNS THE QUALITY WITHIN HIMSELF TO BE IN FLESH LIKE OURS!

    ALL OTHER SPIRITS ALTHOUGH THEY FORM THE HUMAN BODY, THEY REMAIN COMPRESSED SPIRITS!

    ONE MORE THING!

    THE FACT THAT JESUS ENTERED THROUGH WALLS, DUE TO THE FACT THAT HIS SUBSTANCE IS THAT TINY, GODLY, THAT WITH EXTREME SPEED HE GOES THROUGH THE POURS OF ALL MATTER!

     

    reflect on this verse:

    Genesis 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread till thou return to the earth, out of which thou wast taken:

    FOR DUST YOU ARE, AND INTO DUST YOU SHALL RETURN.

    NOTICE WHILE ADAM WAS STILL ALIVE GOD CALLED HIM:

    DUST!

    WHICH IS A REFERENCE TO THE SPIRITUAL DUST ELEMENT!

    AND THIS WAS DIRECTED TO SATAN, IN THE TRUTH, NOT TO ADAM, SINCE SATAN ENTERED FOR THE FIRST EVER TIME IN A HUMAN BEING, AND PARTICIPATED FOR THE FIRST EVER TIME IN THE PROCESS OF SOULS THOUGH OUR WORLD! HIS EX SPIRIT SUBSTANCE! LUCIFER!

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    April 9, 2015 at 6:44 am#793335
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Davidl,

    The Word was with God.

    Jesus was conceived.

     

    The will of God was done when the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us and Jesus became a vessel for the Word.

    April 9, 2015 at 6:57 am#793336
    kerwin
    Participant

    Carmel,

    God created space and time. Space is the dimensions of height, length, and width. My body occupies those three dimensions as does anyone else s. To believe God has a body then you must also believe that the three dimensions of space have always existed for that body to exist.

    Angels are not always hidden from the sight of humans. In one case God chose to blind the human to the presence of an angel but allowed the donkey on which that human sat to see it. That donkey avoided the angel by avoiding the three of space that angel took up. God is everywhere that his creation is because he is like love which is everywhere that people experience it. He is outside of creation but his creatures cannot go there. That is because his creation cannot contain him.

    April 9, 2015 at 7:12 am#793339
    kerwin
    Participant

    DavidL,

    Scripture tells us that man was created upright and then went in search of many schemes. Humanity was created in the inner form of God but rebelled and so corrupted that form. Jesus sacrificed himself that humanity would return to that form, a form he, himself bore.

    Even if God had an outer form it is not what is important to the Spiritually minded. The Spiritually minded are those that hunger and thirst to become righteous as God is righteous. Like one that hungers for food and thirsts for drink they just want to have these needs filled. Paul is taking care of these sheep with his words.

    April 9, 2015 at 7:18 am#793341
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    When Adam submitted to the serpent he received the inheritance of sin in the flesh.

    To be freed he need to repent of his idolatry and by the help of the promised Spirit become an overcomer.

    April 9, 2015 at 8:09 am#793344
    DavidL
    Participant

    Kerwin

    Even if God had an outer form it is not what is important to the Spiritually minded.

    Philippians 2:6 says that Jesus existed before His life on earth, in the FORM of God…(NOT in some abstract concept or plan…but as a literal Being united with the Father)

    Colossians says, “He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities – all things have been created through Him and for Him.…”

    Jesus prayed, “Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.”

    John says, “He was in the world, and the world was made through Him…He was in the beginning with God…”

     

    These all testify to the preexistence of Jesus as a literal Being – and NOT just as some abstract idea…

    April 9, 2015 at 8:18 am#793347
    kerwin
    Participant

    DavidL,

    again, if God has no outer form.. then who did Moses see on mount Sinai, that told him, “Then I will take My hand away and you shall see My back, but My face shall not be seen.”..??

    Paul teaches us that the Law of Moses was given by angels in Galatians 3:19 and the writer of Hebrews agrees with the words in chapter 2:2 of that book.

    April 9, 2015 at 8:29 am#793349
    DavidL
    Participant

    so…according to your teaching Moses didn’t actually communicate with or see the image of God – but an angel…?

    April 9, 2015 at 8:47 am#793353
    DavidL
    Participant

    @t8

    “This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.” (notice – “the only true God AND Jesus Christ”…two that are one.)

    lol DavidL. I see your reasoning tacks on the end the words, “the two are one” when it doesn’t say that.

    This is your bias kicking in.

    no reasoning – just comparing Scripture with Scripture…. and pointing out how the verses you use actually confirm the very thing you are trying to deny… (the sad folly of relying on your own reasoning for spiritual enlightenment..!!)

     

    Jesus said, “This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.”

    Jesus said, “If you have seen Me you have seen the Father.”

    Jesus said, “I and the Father are One.”

     

    Maybe your sponge is a little too full of your own doctrine to discern the reality of Jesus Christ…?

    April 9, 2015 at 8:54 am#793356
    kerwin
    Participant

    DavidL

    Colossians says, “He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities – all things have been created through Him and for Him.…”

    This is a passage that I am not quite sure of the idea that Paul is teaching us. I get the broad outline but the details are blurry. The easiest way to view it is that Paul is speaking of the new creation but another way is the Paul us speaking of the Spirit or Word of God that is within Jesus Christ.

    The whole idea of the new covenant is that those whom are not in him, enter into him. Going with that thought verse 17 teaches us he is first of all things and through him they are united.

    I favor the first one as Paul’s speaks elsewhere of the new creation and does not seem to be speaking as a Hellenized Jew to other Hellenized Jews. The second option is more like the writings of John or of Philo of Alexander and so I do not think it is the correct understanding.

    April 9, 2015 at 8:58 am#793357
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    Hi KW,

    When Adam submitted to the serpent he received the inheritance of sin in the flesh.

    To be freed he need to repent of his idolatry and by the help of the promised Spirit become an overcomer.

    That is about the way I understand it. I do not think we should understand the words flesh in a literal manner.

    April 9, 2015 at 8:58 am#793358
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    DavidL

    Jesus said, “This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.”

    First thing, do you notice Jesus is speaking? but he says that they may know “you” is Jesus calling himself “you”? if not then he cannot be calling himself the ONLY TRUE GOD or for that matter he can’t even be part of the reference but then on top of that he says the the “you” who is the ONLY TRUE GOD “SENT” him (Jesus Christ) If the ONLY TRUE GOD “sent” another being such as the one speaking then the ONLY TRUE GOD was not sent because He did the sending.

    April 9, 2015 at 9:05 am#793360
    kerwin
    Participant

    DavidL,

    You contradict yourself constantly about reasoning and so I get the idea you have no idea what you are speaking of. You cannot compare two scriptures to each other unless you use reasoning.

    Paul is recorded as reasoning using Scriptures in Acts 17:2. You have lied repeatedly and it is necessary for you to realize this is so in order for you to discover your teachings to not always agree with Scripture. It is not a sin to use reason but instead God instructs you to reason with him and to test the spirits of what you hear and believe.

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