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The Holy Spirit is the spirit of the Father

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The Trinity Doctrine is so preposterous that it contradicts the most basic and simple truths in scripture and causes much confusion and unnecessary division.

For example, the Holy Spirit came to Mary instead of Mary’s husband Joseph. Thus is the Holy Spirit the Father of Jesus, or is the Father? Explain that one with the confusing dogma of the Trinity.

John 15:26
“But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.

The Holy Spirit is the spirit of the Father and is not another person, nor an equal partner of a triune God.

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  • March 26, 2015 at 8:45 am#791707
    DavidL
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    ..but we aren’t relying on catholic magic are we…?

    So… is it wrong to be baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit..?

     

    March 26, 2015 at 8:59 am#791710
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Is it useful?

    Why should you do something that is useless?

    March 26, 2015 at 9:03 am#791713
    DavidL
    Participant

    ..but it is wrong, Nick..?

    March 26, 2015 at 9:05 am#791716
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    I do not bother with useless stuff.

    Do you?

     

    March 26, 2015 at 9:07 am#791718
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Peter said

    “repent and be baptised in the name of Jesus Christ..’

    Was he of the Spirit?

    Do we know better?

    March 26, 2015 at 9:09 am#791720
    DavidL
    Participant

    I do not bother with useless stuff

     

    ..then why should I bother with your useless argument..!

    March 26, 2015 at 9:25 am#791723
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Indeed you should follow your choices.

    Unless The Spirit teaches you we are useless to you too.

    March 26, 2015 at 10:06 am#791725
    DavidL
    Participant

    The words of Jesus –

    “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.”

     

    The words of NickHassan –

    “I do not bother with useless stuff.”

     

    If the words of Christ are deemed useless by you – how then should we esteem your own words..?

    March 26, 2015 at 12:18 pm#791739
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    So you have not yet tested this verse

    nor have you come up with any parallel verses to support it?

    2 cor 13 .1

    Be content in your choice.

    March 26, 2015 at 12:23 pm#791740
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    So we have the command spoken through Peter at Pentecost and the 15 or so examples of baptism in the name of Jesus Christ in the book of Acts to support it but you prefer what is only backed by catholic theology?

    get real.

    March 26, 2015 at 1:19 pm#791745
    DavidL
    Participant

    You really beat around the bush, don’t you..!

    I’m not saying it’s wrong to be baptized in the name of Jesus..!!

    I asked if it was wrong to be baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit..???

     

    You like posing many questions to others – how about answering one yourself…!!

    March 29, 2015 at 4:50 am#791912
    carmel
    Participant

     

    Why should you do something that is useless?

    Nick,

    It seems to me that you know things and you are sure of it!

    BUT HOW IS IT THAT YOU NEVER SUBSTANTIATE YOUR CONCLUSIONS!

    Scripture is clear regarding the process of baptism in the name of Jesus:

    In the name of the Father and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.

    NOW READ:

    Luke 3:16

    John answered, saying unto all: I indeed baptize you with water; but there shall come one mightier that I, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to loose:

    HE SHALL BAPTISE YOU WITH THE HOLY GHOST AND WITH FIRE

    IN THE ABOVE SCRIPTURE IT IS CLEAR THAT:

     

    JESUS

    shall baptise with

    THE HOLY GHOST

    and with

    FIRE

    SO JESUS, THE HOLY GHOST, AND FIRE!

    DO YOU KNOW WHAT FIRE STANDS FOR?

    DO YOU KNOW THAT FIRE STANDS FOR THE FATHER?

    SINCE GOD IS A CONSUMING FIRE

     

    DO YOU KNOW WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPEN WHEN A PERSON IS BAPTISED IN THAT MANNER?

     

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    March 31, 2015 at 6:26 pm#792202
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    DavidL. did you know that the Catholic Faith is defined as the Anthanasian Creed which is what the Trinity Doctrine is. In other words, the Trinity Doctrine is the very definition of the Roman Catholic faith. This means that while many Protestant and Charismatic churches may believe this doctrine, they are defined as being Roman Catholic in as much as they agree to their creed and foundation. Of course they reject the Pope’s authority and other doctrines, but have kept their main doctrine. You will probably find that you agree with every line and precept.

    The Roman Catholic Church’s creed is as follows:

    Whosoever will be saved, before all things, it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith.  Which faith except every one do keep whole and undefiled without doubt he shall perish everlastingly.  And the catholic faith is this, that we worship one God in Trinity and Trinity in Unity, neither confounding the Persons nor dividing the Substance.  For there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Ghost.  But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost is all one; the glory equal, the majesty coeternal. 

    Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Ghost.  The Father uncreate, the Son uncreate, and the Holy Ghost uncreate. The Father incomprehensible, the Son incomprehensible, and the holy Ghost incomprehensible.  The Father eternal, the Son eternal, and the Holy Ghost eternal.  And yet they are not three Eternals, but one Eternal. As there are not three Uncreated nor three Incomprehensibles, but one Uncreated and one Incomprehensible. So likewise the Father is almighty, the Son almighty, and the Holy Ghost almighty.  And yet they are not three Eternals, but one Eternal. 

    As there are not three Uncreated nor three Incomprehensibles, but one Uncreated and one Incomprehensible, so likewise the Father is almighty, the Son almighty, and the Holy Ghost almighty.  And yet they are not three Almighties, but one Almighty.

    So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God.  And yet they are not three Gods, but one God.  So likewise the Father is Lord, the Son Lord, and the Holy Ghost Lord, and yet not three Lords, but one Lord. 

    For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity to acknowledge every Person by Himself to be God and Lord, so we are forbidden by the catholic religion to say, There be three Gods or three Lords. 

    The Father is made of none, neither created nor begotten.  The Son is of the Father alone, not made nor created but begotten.  The Holy Ghost is of the Father and of the Son, neither made nor created nor begotten, but proceeding. 

    So, there is one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons; one Holy Ghost, not three Holy Ghosts.  And in this Trinity none is before or after another; none is greater or less than another; but the whole three Persons are coeternal together and coequal, so that in all things, as is aforesaid, the Unity in Trinity and the Trinity in Unity is to be worshiped. 

    Any person, therefore, that will be saved must thus think of the Trinity. 

    Furthermore, it is necessary to everlasting salvation that we also believe faithfully the incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ.  For the right faith is that we believe and confess that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and Man; God of the Substance of the Father, begotten before the worlds; and Man of the substance of His mother, born in the world; Perfect God and perfect Man, of a reasonable soul and human flesh subsisting.  Equal to the Father as touching His Godhead and inferior to the Father as touching His manhood; who although He be God and Man, yet He is not two, but one Christ;  one, not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh, but by taking the manhood into God;  one altogether; not by confusion of Substance, but by unity of Person. 

    For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one man, so God and Man is one Christ; Who suffered for our salvation; descended into hell; rose again the third day from the dead;  He ascended into heaven; He sitteth on the right hand of the Father, God Almighty; from whence He shall come to judge the quick and the dead.  At whose coming all men shall rise again with their bodies and shall give an account of their own works.  And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting; and they that have done evil, into everlasting fire. 

    This is the catholic faith; which except you believe faithfully and firmly, you cannot be saved.”

    March 31, 2015 at 8:09 pm#792208
    kerwin
    Participant

    Do you know the Catholic church formed a formula to decide when Easter would occur and careful to avoid the Jewish Passover even though Scripture tells Jesus died the day before the Pharisees Passover? How many things did they do this with?

    March 31, 2015 at 10:02 pm#792218
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    They even changed the times/seasons. Pope Gregory for example put forth the Gregorian Calendar that we use today. Believers know about Christmas and Easter which were Pagan festivals/holidays but do not understand the Jewish Feasts. Yet God made the sun, moon, and stars as signs for us and for feasts and people are not aware of this.

    This is why people are not aware of the significance of the Tetrad which is happening now and the feast days that each Blood Red Moon is happening on. The Gregorian Calendar changed the times, so these signs are not noticed.

    The Catholic Church changed the times, seasons, days, and the foundational teachings of the true faith. Most people’s faith encompasses or is influenced strongly by the Roman Catholic Church. Many are still inside her, but we should come out of her and participate in Yeshua’s own Church, the Body of Christ. Let him teach us about eternal life which is knowing the only true God as well as Yeshua his son.

    April 1, 2015 at 12:03 am#792223
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    Participant

    DavidL

    God the Son? I did a bible search and here are the results: 0 Bible results for “God the son”

    I could be wrong but has anyone ever read that phrase from any version of any bible ever?

    “God the son”?

    Scripture says, “the Son of God”, not “God the Son”..

    Have we ever heard, “the Father of God”?

    So there is no ‘God the Son’ nor the ‘Father of God’.

    But that is what the Trinity basically teaches.

    We already know that it is an extra-biblical doctrine though.

    April 1, 2015 at 12:26 am#792224
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    I have considered what you teach on this site concerning the trinity, and really there is nothing that you have said here that causes me to doubt that the Bible reveals God as a Triune Being – Father, Son, and Holy Spirit…and that belief in the trinity is not some extra-Biblical doctrine, as you say, but rather it is confirmed and manifested continually from the pages of Scripture itself…

    God is one @DavidL, not triune.

    Have you not noticed that scripture says that God is one many times, and it says that God is triune zero times.

    April 1, 2015 at 12:29 am#792226
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Encyclopedia Britannia, the 11th edition vol 3, page 365-366
    “The baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son and Holy Ghost by the Catholic church in the second century.

    Encyclopedia Britannia, vol 3, page 82
    “Everywhere in the oldest sources it states that baptism took place in the name of Jesus Christ.”

    Canney Encyclopedia of Religion, page 53
    The early church baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus until the second century.

    Hastings Encyclopedia of Religion, Volume2
    Christian baptism was administered using the words, “in the name of Jesus”, page 377.

    The use of the trinitarian formula of any sort was not suggested in the early Church’s history, page 378

    “Go ye therefore and teach all nations, in my name” … the latter form being the more frequent, page 380.

    Baptism was always in the name of Jesus until time of Justin Martyr, when the triune formula was used, page 389.

    Catholic Encyclopedia, vol 2, page 377,
    Catholics acknowledge that baptism in Jesus’ name was changed by the Catholic church.

    Schaff-Herzog Religious Encyclopedia, Volume 1, page 435
    The New Testament knows only the baptism in the name of Jesus.

    Hastings Dictionary of Bible, page 88
    It must be acknowledged that the three fold name of Matthew 28:19 does not appear to have been used by the primitive church, but rather in the name of Jesus, Jesus Christ, or Lord Jesus.

    The Canney Encyclopedia of Religion, page 53 states,
    The early Church always baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus until the development of the trinity doctrine in the 2nd Century.

    April 1, 2015 at 7:55 am#792240
    DavidL
    Participant

    t8

    You foolishly denounce the trinity doctrine as ‘man-made’…casting doubt over Scripture, and undermining an integral part of the Christian faith – yet what you offer as ‘proof” is ironically just as man-made and confused as what you say the trinity is…!!!

    Haven’t you noticed yet that your teaching is based on the study of doctrines and catholic encyclopedias – instead of Scripture…?

    In deploring Catholic doctrine, you have failed to discern truth mixed with tradition ..thus according to your natural comprehension and reasoning, you have essentially rejected and jettisoned the spiritual elements of the trinity along with its traditional aspects – replacing what is inspired (the Deity of Christ), with your own ideas and logical interpretations.. thus you unwittingly suppress and denying the Scriptural revelation of Jesus Christ Himself.. because of your own biased stance on this doctrine as a whole.

     

    April 1, 2015 at 8:23 am#792241
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Davidl,

    Ha ha.

    You teach catholic tradition as truth.

     

    The emperor is wearing no clothes

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