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The Holy Spirit is the spirit of the Father

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The Trinity Doctrine is so preposterous that it contradicts the most basic and simple truths in scripture and causes much confusion and unnecessary division.

For example, the Holy Spirit came to Mary instead of Mary’s husband Joseph. Thus is the Holy Spirit the Father of Jesus, or is the Father? Explain that one with the confusing dogma of the Trinity.

John 15:26
“But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.

The Holy Spirit is the spirit of the Father and is not another person, nor an equal partner of a triune God.

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  • March 22, 2015 at 9:53 am#791361
    NickHassan
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    Hi davidl,

    Where does scripture say that giving your life to Jesus Christ saves you?

    Are experiences and personal opinion enough?

    March 22, 2015 at 10:02 am#791363
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    False teachers and their doctrines continue to reap another harvest.

    You say you love scripture and so do I.

    So back to scripture.

    March 22, 2015 at 10:08 am#791364
    carmel
    Participant

     

    The divinity of Christ?

    God was IN CHRIST reconciling the world to Himself 2cor 5.19

    Nick,

    THE ABOVE IS REGARDING THE GLORIFICATION OF

    JESUS INTO CHRIST :

    After he gave his flesh and blood body as a ransom on the cross and immediately on his death, through the Holy Spirit, he owned the entire matter,for the glory of the Father!

    The Father glorified him in himself in return after Jesus resurrected and united Jesus’soul with Jesus’ body

    John 13:31 When he therefore was gone out, Jesus said: Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him. <b>32 I</b>f God be glorified in him, God also will glorify him in himself; and immediately will he glorify him.

    Jesus’soul integrated with Jesus’body established: JESUS CHRIST

    ONE GLORIFIED SPIRITUAL FLESH BODY

    GOD OF ALL FLESH! FOR THE GLORY OF THE FATHER

     

    THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST

    SINCE ONLY JESUS BECAME MAN, TO SAVE MANKIND THROUGH HIS DEATH,FOR THE GLORY OF THE FATHER!

    IN ORDER FOR THE FATHER TO BE OFFICIALLY KNOWN AS

    THE ONLY TRUE GOD! AS A SPIRIT!

    ON THE LAST DAY OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST,

    THE FATHER WOULD OCCUPY FOR ETERNITY THE GLORIFIED BODY OF CHRIST!

    REVELATION:

    Personification of God ….

    The belief in a spiritually tangible Deity by no means implies a personified Deity, for this reason the human being should not have a narrow idea of God, Who is omnipresent and beyond time and space. He permeate everything with His spirit, the whole universe, the whole spiritual kingdom…. and therefore He is not conceivable as a person who, according to human comprehension, is spatially limited. Instead, a personification of God must be completely avoided if the human being wants to come anywhere near visualizing God as the highest and most perfect Being of God.

    God has indeed made Himself visible to His living creations in a human form by permeating Jesus’ body with His Divinity and showed Himself in His transfigured state to people, so that they were able to visualize the eternal

    Deity in Jesus Christ.

    Yet once the soul has discarded its body and enters the kingdom of light it will realize that the eternal Deity can never be grasped by human intellect and that the embodiment in Jesus Christ intended to awaken or strengthen the belief in a SPIRITUALLY TANGIBLE DEITY IN PEOPLE DURING THEIR EARTHLY LIFE, otherwise they would find it difficult to have faith which, however, it is necessary in order to establish a connection with God

    through prayer ….

    Thus the eternal Deity became visible to people in Jesus Christ and in merciful love tries to make Itself accessible to people in order to encourage them establishing their contact with Itself. Jesus Christ was the form which sheltered the eternal Deity for the people on earth …. In the spiritual kingdom the same form will be spiritually visible by those beings which have attained the DEGREE OF MATURITY that enables them to behold God…. But this spiritually tangible Deity is present everywhere and therefore never expended in a limited form. Hence It cannot be addressed as a personal Deity either, because this concept is only used for earthly life, for the human being himself who, as an isolated individual being within the universe, claims for himself the acknowledgement of being a personality, thus a person always has to be understood to be a human creature. That this concept can never be applied to the eternal Deity is due to the fact that
    God is a spirit …. but the spirit is never something restricted, something bound in a form, once it is perfect. The supreme Perfection is therefore limitless beyond all comprehension and permeates the whole of infinity; it is omnipresent because its fundamental substance is love which likewise is not restricted and therefore also not conceivable as a form. The human being’s intellectual capacity is limited, he is unable to visualize anything but earthly things as long as he is still spiritually unenlightened. And therefore he tries to imagine the eternal Deity as a person as soon as he believes in a
    spiritually tangible God, in a God to Whom he can pray.

    And God accommodated this purely human desire by embodying Himself in Jesus Christ, that is, by demonstrating how a human being living a God-pleasing life can unite with God on earth and thus become as one with Him …. He wanted to show people the path to achieve the final goal, the total unification with God.

    The emanation of the Divine Being completely permeated the man Jesus, consequently only the external frame, the physical form, was human,BUT HIS SOUL AND SPIRIT WERE DIVINE,THEY HAD ENTIRELY UNITED WITH GOD AGAIN FROM WHOM THEY HAD COME FORTH.  Yet the eternal Deity did not expend Itself, because it is impossible for the most perfect Being ever to be limited within a form. Nevertheless the eternal Deity is something spiritually tangible, that is, it is spiritual strength which has to be granted will and faculty of thought, thus a being with Whom the human being can also make heartfelt contact by using his will and his thoughts. For the human being’s will and thoughts are not tied to the external form either but are part of the spiritual essence which is embodied in the human form. Once the physical shell falls away, the soul, the spiritually tangible being, remains capable of thinking and wanting, but according to its state of maturity the ability can merely be weaker or stronger, whereas the eternal Deity, as the most perfect Being, executes Its will and Its thoughts in profound wisdom and inconceivable strength. The human physical form is just the means to an end for the duration of his earthly life.

    YET ANYONE BELIEVING IN THE IMMORTALITY OF THE SOUL will also understand that the external form, the person, will not be required for the soul’s continued existence. Nevertheless, the soul remains conscious of itself as an individual being, even when it has joined equally mature souls …. just as the eternal Deity will likewise remain the highest and most perfect Being for the most elevated beings of light which have entered into union with It …. which are totally united with God and yet are inexpressibly happy in their own existence because they always and forever receive and feel God’s strength of love Who, as eternal Father, is in intimate contact

    Amen

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    March 22, 2015 at 10:08 am#791365
    DavidL
    Participant

    NickHassan (continued)..

    I never left Scripture – I just gave it to you in my own words..

    This is how the Bible says it..

    “But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, to them that believe on His name”

    March 22, 2015 at 10:30 am#791372
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    And you have heard the gospel too.

    You are called.

    Are you chosen ?

     

     

    March 22, 2015 at 10:32 am#791373
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    The meaning of BELIEVED is enlarged by the book of Acts.

    Not intellectual assent.

    March 22, 2015 at 10:33 am#791374
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    Lots of words

    Little substance

    March 22, 2015 at 10:41 am#791377
    DavidL
    Participant

    Nick..

    You claim you are born of the Spirit – but how can I to BELIEVE that… when you deny the revelation of Scripture concerning the very One you claim to know and follow..?

    March 22, 2015 at 10:59 am#791379
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Where does scripture teach what you say?

    Or are you relying on the inferences of others?

    listen to scripture

    March 22, 2015 at 11:00 am#791380
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    If you were born of the Spirit would you rely on the inferences of men?

    March 22, 2015 at 1:14 pm#791393
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    DavidL

    You still avoided my question. Jesus said “We know what we worship” So who does Jesus worship alongside the other Jews?

    I love to worship what Jesus worships, I am trying to get you to tell me what or who should we worship other than what Jesus worships. Jesus said to the lady “you know not what you worship” she said the Jews know what to worship so do you worship what the Jews worship?

    March 22, 2015 at 2:04 pm#791396
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    DavidL

    If you believe that Jesus is God do you also believe this?:

    Matthew 15:24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

    Was “God” only sent to the lost sheep of Israel?

    March 22, 2015 at 2:22 pm#791398
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    DavidL

    You say that you know you are born again because of changes in your heart, are you saying because you have become a little less bitter than before that you are “born again”? It’s all still right there that same sense of heaviness and all though you try to cover it the despair is still apparent.

    The point is coping is not changing and making better decisions while inspiring does not equate to a mind, heart or soul submitted to God. God says “I am the Only one” you say no your not you’re 3 in 1 but how does “I AM” = more than 1 ever? “I” is not plural and neither is “AM” so what change have you really made when your heart is still as hard as before, when you prefer to be “the misunderstood one” instead of the open to honesty one?

    Honestly, who taught you that God was 3?

    I am telling you directly, you did not come to that conclusion on your own and it was not the result of any revelation, so who told you that God was 3? who taught you the term “God the Son”? Tell me….tell us all.

    March 22, 2015 at 2:34 pm#791399
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    DavidL

    the one thing we do have in common is in believing in Hell.

    You have to understand that when you call God 3 in 1 you are also calling “The only true God” which is the one you call father 1 in 3 meaning that He is not God alone He says “I AM” you say you are not “they are you” I say who is God you say this one and that one and the other. The word God doesn’t even mean a specific being for you because when I say God you believe I could be talking about any of 3 beings. Jesus did not want to die for you or anybody else he said it was not his will so if he is God can God will and not will at the same time is God somehow confused about what he wants?

    Luke 22:42Darby Translation (DARBY)

    42 saying, Father, if thou wilt remove this cup from me:—but then,

      not my will

    , but thine be done.

    So a triune God has opposing wills, for the love of God come to your senses

    March 24, 2015 at 5:23 am#791487
    DavidL
    Participant

    bodhitharta

     

    I’m not avoiding your question – but a conversation should go both ways…  you come up with more questions without responding to any answers I give..

     

    Why does Jesus include himself in saying “we worship what we know”? Obviously at that time there was no trinity theology for a Jew to even know

     

    That’s right – Christ had not been revealed yet… throughout His ministry you will notice how careful He was to keep His true identity concealed, until the proper time..

     

    “But He warned them and instructed them not to tell this to anyone, saying, ‘The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed and be raised up on the third day.'” – Luke 9:21

     

     

    March 24, 2015 at 5:44 am#791489
    DavidL
    Participant

    If you believe that Jesus is God do you also believe this?:

    Matthew 15:24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

    Was “God” only sent to the lost sheep of Israel?

     

    “For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.” – Romans 1:16

     

    The gospel first came to the Jews – “He came unto His own, and His own received Him not.” – John 1:11 …when Christ was rejected by the nation of Israel, then the gospel went out to the Gentiles. “But by their transgression salvation has come to the Gentiles..” – Romans 11:11

    March 24, 2015 at 6:19 am#791492
    DavidL
    Participant

    God says “I am the Only one” you say no your not you’re 3 in 1 but how does “I AM” = more than 1 ever?

     

    I believe if you have Jesus you have the Father – but if you deny the Son, you have missed out completely (1 John 2:23)

    Look at the Jehovah’s Witnesses as an example – in one sense they acknowledge Christ, that He died for our sins etc, but in fact they actually deny Christ by denying His divinity – they reject the revelation of the Son that is given in Scripture by the Spirit… and have written their own Bible to suit their man-made teaching… choosing instead to focus on Jehovah, saying (what you are saying), “God says, ‘I am the Only one'” – it’s all about God the Father, and the Son was just a sort of secondary vessel God used, but not one with the Father.

    …and because, in effect, they are denying the Spirit – then their whole Christian testimony is spiritually dead – even though they do still acknowledge Christ in some way.

     

    but how does “I AM” = more than 1 ever?

     

    ..surely the unity of the Godhead is perfect..!

     

     

    March 24, 2015 at 6:25 am#791493
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Have you researched GODHEAD in the KJV?

    It does not stand for any trinity but is used twice and those usages relate to different things.

     

    If Jesus was divine was he also the Son of Almighty God?

    Do you pray to a trinity?

    March 24, 2015 at 6:27 am#791494
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Why should the folly of the JW’s cause you to cling to the folly of catholic dogma?

    March 24, 2015 at 6:55 am#791500
    DavidL
    Participant

    Honestly, who taught you that God was 3?

    I am telling you directly, you did not come to that conclusion on your own and it was not the result of any revelation, so who told you that God was 3? who taught you the term “God the Son”? Tell me….tell us all.

     

    While the term “Trinity” is man-made – yet the divine nature of the Son and the Holy Spirit (which is the essential element of the trinity) cannot be denied if one reads Scripture WITHOUT the confusion of man-made teaching (such as the teaching found here on this site concerning the trinity)… I was never taught any trinity doctrine, and believe that, just as the whole journey of faith is a path of divine enlightenment (to acknowledge Christ in the first place is a revelation given by the Spirit as to who Jesus is), so that revelation of Christ grows brighter and brighter as we grow in Him… but many, once they have started on the road, turn back again to relying on their own natural reasoning, and thus fall away from the true faith.

     

    One thing I would add is that in denying the trinity (as all Christian cults do), the owners of this site mistakenly believe they are representing the true faith, when in fact they are actually undermining a major tenet of Christianity.. at a time when the whole western Church is to be falling further and further away into apostasy…wise.?

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