Is Jesus one of us or is he God?

Let’s be clear. Scripture explicitly states that Jesus is the son of God and we are sons of God. Jesus even calls us brothers because we are part of the same family as him. God never calls us brothers. To him we are his children. This doesn’t sound like Jesus is God does it? 

What does scripture say about who Jesus is. Let’s take a look.

Both the one who makes people holy and those who are made holy are of the same family. So Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers and sisters.

Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.

Sons of God

Clearly then, we are the same kind of being as Jesus.

Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well.

So both Jesus and us are sons and children of God. We are never brothers to God and God and Jesus are not brothers either. It is written that we will even have the same glorious body as he does.

who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body.

When we are born from above, we are given a new nature, that is divine nature.

by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature

If not divine nature, then we would still be of the flesh and die in our sins. Instead, we are born again, but we currently remain in a state of flux awaiting our resurrection bodies which will put us at rest and always toward the divine and without sin. Currently we live by divine nature and at other times the flesh nature.

So yes, we know that Jesus was begotten of the Father. So what do you suppose our new birth is?

For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.

“Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come”

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name. Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

See. We too are begotten of God.

The difference between redeemed people and Jesus is this. He is the prototype son.

So he is not God as many propose, just as we are not God, even if we have divine nature.

Jesus is the firstborn son among many sons. This is what the Bible teaches.

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  • #868030
    Danny Dabbs
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    @t8

    The Bible calls Jesus “only begotten“. I’ll stick with the Bible!

    #868038
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Good call Danny.

    #868050
    Danny Dabbs
    Participant

    @t8

    Jesus has the same exact nature as his Father.

    He is not an inferior being to his Father any more than we are inferior beings to our parents.

    I really hope that you will understand. Thank you for your time and goodbye.

     

     

     

    #868055
    Proclaimer
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    Danny. We are inferior to Jesus, yet he calls us brothers and we get a body and nature like his.

    Clearly we cannot claim to be equal in rank to the son despite having the same nature right?

    Likewise with God. You cannot claim that Jesus is equal in rank with the Most High God.

    And in case you had any doubt, Jesus himself told us that the Father was greater than himself.

    “You heard me say, `I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

    A simple look at the meaning of Father compared with Son or Brother would be enough to work it out.

    #868095
    Danny Dabbs
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    @t8

    I have to respond to your falsehood.
    You always attack strawman. We already talked about headship.
    I don’t know how many times do I have to repeat. Ok, let’s try it one more time:
    The head of the woman is man. Does this mean that the husband is a superior being to his wife?
    The answer is obviously, “No.” The husband is greater than his wife by way of position but not by nature.
    The same applies to the Father and the Son. The Father is greater by position, but not better by nature.
    You already agreed with me on that. Ok. But you still insist that Jesus is just a god?
    That doesn’t work. Whether you like it or not. That doesn’t work.
    Bow down before Jesus Christ your God!

    #868098
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Bow down before Jesus Christ your God!

    Finally, you coughed it out and you are wrong. And I can prove it with one hand tied behind my back. I have the luxury of many scriptures to draw upon. So here is a taster.

    Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

    yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

    The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place.
    He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,

    For he has put everything under his feet. Now when it says that everything has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.

    I believe scripture over any man Danny. Simple as that.

    #868100
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Proclaimer,

    Is Jehovah, our righteousness just a god or is Jehovah, our righteousness, your God?

    What do you say?

    LU

    #868102
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Both are true. If you are the God, you are also a god. So of all that are called gods, there is one who is the Most High. He is in reality the only God when you consider that there is no other God above him.

    #868104
    Proclaimer
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    It’s like football. There is one GOAT (greatest of all time).

    I believe the goat is Lionel Messi.

    He is the greatest and by that definition, it means he is also great. And there are many that are great.

    #868105
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Proclaimer,

    So would you say that the Father and Jesus are your God?

    LU

    #868106
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    I use the word God to mean the Most High or Father as does scripture most of the time.

    Sometimes God is used in other ways. Such as narrowing down the options. For example:

    ‘The god of this age.’ Or, ‘You are gods’. While the words here are theos, it matters what you are the god / theos of. Same goes for Lord. Are you the Lord of Coventry or the Lord of God’s creation. Further, is the word being used with the definite article.

    Look at the word angel with or without the definite article and see how the meaning is different.

    ‘You are an angel.’

    ‘You are the angel.’

    One is qualifying and the other is identifying.

    This is in a nutshell is why people fall for the Trinity of Binity doctrines. They do not understand the difference between identity and nature. So they bundle Jesus with God because of divine nature. I have said this for many years and it always comes back to this with those who do not understand.

    #868107
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Proclaimer,

    Do you believe Jehovah is the Most High God?

    LU

    #868108
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    YHWH is one of the names or titles for the Most High I believe.

    #868109
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Proclaimer,

    Thanks for that answer. Do you believe that YHWH (the Most High God) is both God of gods and Lord of lords?

    LU

    #868110
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    I see where you are going with this. Yes he is God of gods. Lord of Lords, yes. But here’s the thing.

    God is light.

    Jesus is the light of this world.

    We are the light of this world.

    See that.

    Just because God is light or God is a Spirit, or God is divine, you cannot then apply all who are spirit, light, or divine as God too.

    Further, the meaning of Lord is often confused. YHWH is often translated as LORD. But scripture says that God made Jesus both Lord and Christ. And we are told that there is one God, the Father, and one Lord, the Lord Jesus Christ.

    People get all muddled up with YHWH, theos and kurious (LORD, God and Lord). But context is very important.

    You could be the most high Lord in England for example.

    Satan is the theos of this world / age and had minions. Thus he would technically be the most high theos of this world considering he has princes or gods underneath him.

    But when all is considered, there is one most High God and One who is made Lord over all.

    Think of Pharaoh and Joseph. Pharaoh made Joseph the most high after himself. So he was made Lord of the Pharaoh’s kingdom. But the Pharaoh still had authority over Joseph and could remove this authority from Joseph.

    Of course we know that even this is not quite the full picture because God has the last say and could have elevated Joseph and deposed Pharaoh.

    “Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.”

    #868111
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    To put it simply:

    God is light. Light is not God.

    God is spirit. Spirit is not God.

    #868112
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Proclaimer,

    Do you believe that YHWH, our righteousness is the Lord of all heaven and earth or just Lord of the earth?

    #868113
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    You should be able to answer that for yourself as to what I believe as I have given you enough information. If God is God of all, then he is God of earth and heaven, Not to be confused with this world however. If you love the world, the love of God is not in you. The world and the earth are not the same. The world is the age. There are many ages or worlds. But there are only two earths.

    #868118
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Proclaimer,

    it appears that you believe that YHWH, our righteousness is the Lord of heaven and earth.

    Correct?

    LU

    #868120
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    If  YHWH our righteousness is the name of another person then no.

    But YHWH, yes.

    People have all kinds of names that include God.

    Isabella, a variation of Elizabeth, is the top girl name meaning God. Along with Isabella, girl names in the US Top 1000 meaning God include Elizabeth, Danielle, Gabrielle, Samantha, Michaela, and Jane.

    Elizabeth and Jane have dozens of popular variations that also mean God, including Elsie, Eliza, Elise, Janet, Jean, and Joan.

    Elijah is the most popular boy name that means God. Along with Elijah, other boy names meaning God in the US Top 1000 include Daniel, Matthew, Jack, Jeremy, Nathaniel, Caleb, Samuel, Oscar, and Shane.

    John and Michael, two of the most widely-used male names of the last several centuries in the Western World, have God in their meanings.

    https://nameberry.com/baby-names/913/names-that-mean-god

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