Was God Manifest in the Flesh?

1 Timothy 3:16

1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

This scripture infers that Jesus is God. Although you could argue that even we should manifest God in our lives knowing full well we are not God. Regardless, this verse is certainly a verse that Trinitarians use as a proof verse, and to the untrained eye, people may well accept that Jesus is God based on this verse alone.

But is this all there is to this matter.

Apparently this verse is controversial because most other translations do not say “God was manifest in the flesh”, rather they say “He was manifest in the flesh”.

So what is going on here. Why does the KJV say ‘God’ and most other translations say ‘He’?

I found this explanation in and thought it would be helpful to share it.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080728123800AALVzER

Thank you so much for this question. It is a very interesting one.

A few weeks ago, I inquired of a Greek translator who often posts on this site, asking him this very same thing. He kindly and carefully explained to me that, first off, one must understand the nomina sacra (sacred names). He explained that these are abbreviations, in early manuscripts, of certain names and titles. 

In ancient manuscripts 1 Timothy 3:16 had the word “os” which looks like: “OC” and means “he”. 

The nomina sacra of God looks like OC but it has a horizontal line through the middle of the O and a long horizontal line over both letters (as Abernathy, above, explained).

The Greek translator continues, and I quote: “In one old manuscript (Codex Alexandrinus) it seems to the nomina sacra, but an analysis of the manuscript demonstrated that the two horizontal lines were added centuries later. 

Many late manuscripts have the nomina sacra, but all manuscripts earlier than about 800AD have OC “He”

So “He was manifest in the flesh” is supported by all the most ancient manuscripts, “God was manifest in the flesh” has no attestation before 800 AD.”

End quote.

Hannah J Paul

 

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  • #805577
    NickHassan
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    Hi KW,

    Good luck.

    To put faith in anyone who tried to alloy the Greek legends with biblical truth is rather weird.

    #805579
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,’

    All I hear is your opinion but I present Scripture support what I do.

    #805580
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    Hebrews 5:14Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

    14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

    #805582
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    So you are unable to discern good food from bad.

    It all tastes good enough to you?

    #805591
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    I can tell a fruit with bad spots; I carve out the bad and eat the good.

    #805596
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    Your choice to take the pig’s slops

    There is sound fruit available though at the table of the king.

    #805598
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    Remain within the teachings and you will have the fellowship of the Father and the Son.

    2jn9

    Add in the ideas of men and you lose fellowship with both.

    #805599
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    You have not yet backed up your words by Scripture and I have continued to do so and yet you do not believe what is written.

    #805600
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    The whole idea is to comprehend the teaching of God through Christ and order to hold to them. You need to get rid of some prejudices of the flesh and realize that Scripture testifies even nonbelievers make true statements.

    #805601
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    While God provides good food why would you sift through the garbage?

    #805617
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Kerwin….. Your dialog with with Nick is futile , he believes he is a guide to the blind, an instructor to the foolish, he reminds me of wht Paul was sayi gaboutthe JEWS, Rom 2: 16-21

    KERWIN….I also believe the breathe of life includes the spirit (intellect) from God that enlightens “every” man comming into this earth, and IF God were to withdraw his spirit (intellect) from creation all creation would die and every living thing would perish. There are scriptures that support that conclusion brother.

    peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene

    #805619
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi GB,

    yes we know you put the utmost faith in your own deductions but they are mere vanities compared with revelation.

    #805621
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    While God provides good food why would you sift through the garbage?

    There are people who winnow through garbage in order to survive. To these poor in spirit individuals what they find is good for it allows them to survive.

    #805628
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    Are you yet dependant on crumbs that fall off the table?

    Why not come into the kingdom?

    #805631
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    Do you not understand the virgin is hiding in her place at this time and the dragon still hunts her children?

    #805634
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    The woman is Israel.

    You are not Israel though you think you are.

     

    Beware-Those without the law will perish without the law.

     

    #805638
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    The woman is the kingdom of heaven which was at one time Israel. The vineyard was taken from those that killed the Heir and given to others.

    #805639
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    There remains a remnant people

     

    The woman is Israel with 12 stars around her head.

    She produced the Son who is to rule with a rod of iron.

    #805660
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Nick…..AND “YOUR” DEDUCTIONS ARE OF GOD ? WHILE OURS AND EVERYONE ELSES ARE NOT? interesting.

    peace and love to you and yours. …………gene

    #805663
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    There is still true Israel.

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