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  • April 23, 2015 at 8:48 am#795381
    kerwin
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    DavidL,

    Philippians 2 does not say Jesus is God but it instead declares he has the form of God. If Paul wanted to make the point Jesus was God then he would have clearly stated “though he was the God …” but he did not. He instead chose to link “being in the form of God” to being in the form of a servant”. We are told about the form of the servant in Matthew 20:26, 23:11, and Luke 22:26. In short the Spiritual sees that any one that bears the Spiritual form of God will take on the Spiritual form of a servant. That is the mind Christians are to have.

    April 23, 2015 at 8:53 am#795383
    kerwin
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    David,

    Your reasoning is declaring that Trinity was reduced to a Binity when Jesus was conceived in Mary’s womb and still remain one as Jesus is still a human being the serves as mediator between God and mankind.

    April 23, 2015 at 8:56 am#795384
    bodhitharta
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    Psalm 8:5 (KJ21)

    5 For Thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honor.

    If he was created lower than the angels how is it you see Jesus as God?

    April 23, 2015 at 8:57 am#795385
    bodhitharta
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    Kerwin is right listen to him

    DavidL,

    Philippians 2 does not say Jesus is God but it instead declares he has the form of God. If Paul wanted to make the point Jesus was God then he would have clearly stated “though he was the God …” but he did not. He instead chose to link “being in the form of God” to being in the form of a servant”. We are told about the form of the servant in Matthew 20:26, 23:11, and Luke 22:26. In short the Spiritual sees that any one that bears the Spiritual form of God will take on the Spiritual form of a servant. That is the mind Christians are to have.

    April 23, 2015 at 9:06 am#795390
    DavidL
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    Jesus’ identity as God is defined here as a state of “being equal to” God..(which he laid aside)

    not that He is the Father – but is One with the Father.. (perfect unity)

    this also confirms John 1

    ..with God – was God..

    “I and the Father..” (two)

    “..are One.”

     

    April 23, 2015 at 9:34 am#795396
    NickHassan
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    Hi davidl,

    So you think what WAS still IS?

    April 23, 2015 at 10:23 am#795402
    Proclaimer
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    @DavidL. Your view of being one with God means that you cannot be one with God as that would be blasphemy in your eyes.

    You poor fellow. I am allowed to be one with God, but you are not by reason of your doctrine which you believe.

    So how can I trust the words of a man who does not believe he can be one with God?

    April 23, 2015 at 10:36 am#795406
    bodhitharta
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    Hi t8

    @DavidL. Your view of being one with God means that you cannot be one with God as that would be blasphemy in your eyes.

    You poor fellow. I am allowed to be one with God, but you are not by reason of your doctrine which you believe.

    So how can I trust the words of a man who does not believe he can be one with God?

    your doctrine is equal to his as you do not believe that you can be one with God without intercession from Jesus Christ, isn’t that right?

    April 23, 2015 at 10:41 am#795407
    bodhitharta
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    Hi davidl,

    So you think what WAS still IS?

    Why is it you guys think you are somehow different than DavidL? He is saying that Jesus is an indespensible part of worshiping God so he doesn’t give Jews a pass to him if Jews don’t believe in Jesus they don’t believe in God, but somehow you guys make concession for the “Jews denying Jesus” But if anyone else says they can Love God without Jesus you respond same as david and deny that it is possible so in away DavidL is being more honest

    April 23, 2015 at 10:43 am#795408
    NickHassan
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    Hi bd,

    Stirring the pot?

    You do not accept the headship of Jesus so you can judge?

    April 23, 2015 at 5:01 pm#795452
    Proclaimer
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    your doctrine is equal to his as you do not believe that you can be one with God without intercession from Jesus Christ, isn’t that right?

    Bod, I will answer your question, but I want to remind you that the Believers Area is for those who believe in God and Jesus Christ the son of God. There is a Skeptics Area that is also frequented where you can cast your doubts on our gospel and scriptures. This way conversations stay on track and are less likely to be derailed and changed into  promotion of other religions or cults etc. It is not a matter of bias, but keeping conversations on track. You are also free to debate with others in the Debate forum.

    John 14:6
    Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

    John 17:21
    I pray that they will all be one, just as you and I are one—as you are in me, Father, and I am in you. And may they be in us so that the world will believe you sent me.

    John 10:1-2
     “I tell you the truth, anyone who sneaks over the wall of a sheepfold, rather than going through the gate, must surely be a thief and a robber! But the one who enters through the gate is the shepherd of the sheep. The gatekeeper opens the gate for him, and the sheep recognize his voice and come to him. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.”

    1 John 2:23
    No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

    Islam denies the son. We want no part in it and we can be one with God by acceptance of God’s son. If we deny the son, we cannot be one with God.

    April 23, 2015 at 7:17 pm#795462
    kerwin
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    Bodhitharta,

    The judgement of each person is migrated by what he knows. A man that hears a way to stop sinning and rejects it will be judged more harshly than a man who does not hear that way. It is no different whether you are a Jew or a Gentile.

    May 9, 2015 at 8:51 pm#796915
    carmel
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    Yes the Word was with God and was God

    The Word was made flesh [ in Jesus ] and dwelt among us.

    So Jesus Christ is not God

    Nick,

    to keep you aware, OR RATHER TO MAKE YOU AWARE READ:

    Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is living and effectual,

    TO START WITH THE WORD IS LIVING! NOT JUST LIKE OUR OWN WORD! CLEAR?

    NOW EXPLAIN IN YOUR UNDERSTANDING HOW GOD’S WORD IS A LIVING THING! BY THE WAY IN GOD’S OWN TERMS! OK?

    and more piercing than any two edged sword;

    NOW EXPLAIN HOW GOD’S WORD PIERCE, IN A WAY MORE THEN ANY TWO EDGED SWORD! AGAIN IN GOD’S OWN TERMS!OK?

    and reaching unto the division of the soul and the spirit,

    NOW EXPLAIN IN YOUR OWN UNDERSTANDING HOW GOD’S WORD SEPARATES,THE SPIRIT FROM THE SOUL! AGAIN IN GOD’S OWN TERMS! OK?

    of the joints also and the marrow,

    NOW EXPLAIN HOW GOD’S WORD, SEPARATES THE HUMAN JOINTS FROM THE MARROW! AGAIN IN GOD’S OWN TERMS! OK?

    and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

    NOW EXPLAIN HOW GOD’S OWN WORD DISCERNS THE THOUGHTS AND INTENTS OF THE HEART! AGAIN IN GOD’S OWN TERMS! OK?

    13Neither is there any creature invisible in his sight:

    NOW EXPLAIN HOW, THIS TIME NOT GOD’S OWN WORD, BUT GOD HIMSELF THROUGH, AND BY  THE WORD NEITHER ANY CREATURE IS INVISIBLE IN HIS SIGHT! AGAIN IN GOD’S OWN TERMS! OK?

    but all things are naked and open to his eyes,

    NOW EXPLAIN HOW, HOW AGAIN NOT GOD’S OWN WORD, BUT GOD HIMSELF THROUGH, AND BY  THE WORD CAN MAKE ALL THINGS NAKED AND OPEN TO HIS EYES! IN GOD’S OWN TERMS! OK?

    to whom our speech is.  TO “THE WORD,” TO GOD, OR TO BOTH  IN JESUS CHRIST?

    SO FROM THE ABOVE IT IS CLEAR THAT THE SPEECH WHICH PAUL DID, DEFINITELY RELATED  BOTH TO “THE WORD” OF GOD AND  ALSO TO GOD , BUT FOR SURE IN JESUS CHRIST NO?

    SINCE HE STARTED HIS SPEECH RELATED TO THE DESCRIPTION “THE WORD” AND CONCLUDED AND RELATED IT TO GOD! IN JESUS CHRIST!

    SO IT IS YOUR TASK NOW TO DEFINE YOUR FALSE DOCTRINE, RELATED FIRST TO HEBREWS 4:12:13, WHICH CONFIRMS THAT

    “THE WORD” JESUS’SPIRIT DURING CREATION AS THE MEDIATOR SPIRIT, AND ALSO THE ONLY MEDIATOR AS A DIVINE PERSON BECAME

    THE WORD MADE FLESH MAN AS JESUS’BODY

    DIED, RESURRECTED, INTEGRATED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT, HIS SOUL, AND BECAME

    JESUS the man “THE WORD MADE FLESH”

    CHRIST Jesus’ soul, THE HOLY SPIRIT

    THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST!

    THEN DEFINE IN YOUR OWN HUMAN TERMS WHAT INCORPORATES ACTUALLY THE WORD OF GOD IN ORDER TO ASSERT THAT

    JESUS AS YOU FALSELY DECLARED: IS NOT GOD!

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    May 10, 2015 at 7:29 am#796952
    NickHassan
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    Hi C,

    My words are Spirit and life.

    Nothing is hidden from the Spirit of creation.

    The testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of prophecy-the word.

     

     

    May 10, 2015 at 7:30 am#796953
    NickHassan
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    Hi KW,

    Stopping sinning is the inevitable result of being led by the Spirit.

    The sons of God are led by the Spirit of God.

    May 10, 2015 at 7:15 pm#797016
    carmel
    Participant

     

    My words are Spirit and life.

    Nothing is hidden from the Spirit of creation.

    The testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of prophecy-the word.

    Nick,

    My words are Spirit and life. SAID JESUS “THE WORD” MADE FLESH

    John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth: the flesh profiteth nothing. The words that I have spoken to you, are spirit and life.
    1Corinthians 15:45 The first man Adam was made into a living soul;
    the last Adam into a LIFE GIVING SPIRIT . JESUS “THE WORD” MADE FLESH, THE PROVEN GOD IN FLESH ON EARTH!

    Nothing is hidden from the Spirit of creation. JESUS’SPIRIT, THE MEDIATOR SPIRIT, THE LIFE GIVING SPIRIT “THE WORD” MADE FLESH, JESUS CHRIST, THE FACT THAT JESUS’KINGDOM IS IN US, IN OUR HEART, TO SUSTAIN US!
    Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say: Behold here, or behold there.
    For lo, the kingdom of God is within you.
    Hebrews 1:10 And: Thou in the beginning, O Lord, didst found the earth: and the works of thy hands are the heavens.

     

    The testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of prophecy-the word. “THE WORD” MADE FLESH, JESUS’ SPIRIT, THE MEDIATOR SPIRIT, THE LIFE GIVING SPIRIT, THE FATHER, AND GOD THE MIGHTY OF THE WORLD TO COME
    Isaiah 9:6 For a CHILD IS BORN to us, and a son is given to us, and the government is upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called, Wonderful, Counsellor,
    God the Mighty, the Father of the world to come, the Prince of Peace.

     

    NOW YOU  HAVE NO DOUBT AND YOU AGREE THAT “THE WORD” IS

     

    THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST,

    ALL IN HIM, ALL BY HIM, AND ALL FOR HIM INCLUDING

    THE ONLY TRUE GOD!

    MANIFESTED ON EARTH!

     

    FOR THE GLORY BOTH OF HIS OWN PARTICULAR FATHER OF ALL SPIRITS AND FLESH, AND GOD ALMIGHTY  JESUS’ FATHER OF SPIRITS !

    John17:1 THESE things Jesus spoke, and lifting up his eyes to heaven, he said:

    Father, the hour is come, glorify thy Son, that thy Son may glorify thee.
     

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    May 11, 2015 at 11:25 am#797074
    NickHassan
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    Hi C,

    The kingdom of Jesus Christ is not in all men.

     

    If you do not have the Spirit of Christ you are none of his.

    You must be reborn from above.

     

    May 11, 2015 at 6:16 pm#797110
    NickHassan
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    Hi t8,

    So do you think Jesus was with God in the beginning

    and was God?

    May 12, 2015 at 6:50 pm#797227
    carmel
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    The kingdom of Jesus Christ is not in all men.

    If you do not have the Spirit of Christ you are none of his.

    You must be reborn from above.

    Nick,

    The same old story, YOU NEVER SUPPORT YOUR ARGUMENTS USING SCRIPTURES!

    Now read and be aware of the truth:

    Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say: Behold here, or behold there. For lo,

    THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS WITHIN YOU

    From the above we are aware that although Jesus was not yet glorified,

    THE KINGDOM OF GOD WAS WITHIN HUMANITY

    SIMPLY NOT YET OFFICIALLY DECLARED ON EARTH SINCE SATAN CONSIDERRED HIMSELF god of the world!

    Just reflect could God create all, and in the same time not in all since He Established “THE WORD” the actual source of God’s kingdom to make it possible for God to be manifested in all from the very beginning, the fact that THE BEGINNING of all WAS:

    “THE WORD” GOD!!!!!

    MORE:

    Colossians 1:17 And he is before all,

    AND BY HIM ALL THINGS CONSIST

    From the above we have no doubt that

    “THE WORD” JESUS’SPIRIT, IS THE ONLY SPIRIT WHICH SUSTAINS ALL THE ENTIRE UNIVERSES IN EXISTENCE!

    obvious GOD IS HIDDEN WITHIN HIM! THE FACT THAT JESUS IS THE MEDIATOR SPIRIT!

    More.

    Rev 13: 8 And all that dwell upon the earth adored him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb, WHICH WAS SLAIN FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD,9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

    Have you got an ear, Nick, WITH EVERY RESPECT?

    The above it simply made it clear that “THE WORD” Jesus’ spirit, the only mediator spirit, was sacrificed by the deity to achieve, and sustain all through him for eternity!

    THE FACT THAT IT IS THE SON’S KINGDOM!

    So “THE WORD” was, and still is and it will remain for eternity the fundamental divine element sealed hidden ATTACHED TO and within creation, and is the vital spirit for the Father’s ABODE through the Holy Spirit, and from within, He created all, the fact that “THE WORD”, from that moment in time on, was and is as I said above , DIRECTLY ATTACHED TO THE ENTIRE CREATURES, INCLUDING SATAN! OTHERWISE NOTHING WOULD EXIST, AND FUNCTIONS SUBJECT TO GOD!

    I must repeat!

    READ:

    John 6:27 …………………which the SON OF MAN will give you. For him hath God,
    THE FATHER SEALED.

    Ok, notice the SON OF MAN! Due to the fact that it is a reference to the flesh, OBVIOUS “THE WORD” sealed in the process of creation!

    So whether a creature accept CHRIST OR NOT, JESUS’SPIRIT, “THE WORD” REMAINS IN THAT CREATURE, SIMPLY TO MAINTAIN ETERNAL LIFE WITHIN HIM, NO MATTER HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE THAT CREATURE TO RETURN TO GOD THE FATHER!

    TO YOUR POINT:

    Now in order for a person to be part of Christ’s kingdom, and also obtain the right to have God as his Father, HE MUST ACCEPT JESUS’ GOSPEL, PRACTICE IT, IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH AND DECLARE JESUS CHRIST AS THE REDEEMER, OBVIOUS,

    THE ONLY HUMAN/DIVINE THAT MANIFESTED GOD’S ALMIGHTY’S WORK ON EARTH AS GOD’S UNIQUE GENUINE PRESENCE IN FLESH “THE WORD MADE FLESH,” GOD OF ALL FLESH!

    THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST,FOR THE GLORY OF THE FATHER!

    Since the Father is a Spirit!

    Peace and love in Jesus
    Charles

    May 12, 2015 at 7:02 pm#797232
    carmel
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    The kingdom of Jesus Christ is not in all men.

    If you do not have the Spirit of Christ you are none of his.

    You must be reborn from above.

    Nick,

    Let’s reflect on these scriptures hereunder now!

    In order to distinguish the difference between the Holy Spirit from the father, and THE HOLY SPIRIT FROM THE SON, OR AS WE ALL KNOW CHRIST’S SPIRIT!

    Acts 10:30 And Cornelius said: Four days ago, unto this hour, I was praying in my house, at the ninth hour, and behold a man stood before me in white apparel, and said:
    Acts 10:31Cornelius, your prayer is heard, and your alms are had in remembrance in the SIGHT OF GOD.

    CORNELIUS PRACTICALLY BECAME GOD’S PROPERTY AND NOT YET BAPTISED! GOT IT!

    HOW DID GOD KNEW REGARDING THE WORK BY CORNELIUS, IN THE SPIRIT AND TRUTH OF CHRIST!

    PRACTICING THE GOSPEL AND NOT EVEN A CHRISTIAN?

    READ:

    John10 27 My sheep hear my voice: EVEN IF THEY ARE NOT CHRISTIANS OK?

    GOT IT? CORNELIUS HEARD JESUS’ GOSPEL SO UNOFFICIALLY, HE WAS BORN AGAIN IN THE SPIRIT FOR SURE! NO?

    BUTT HOW?????

    and I know them, and they follow me

    SO JESUS’SPIRIT, “THE WORD” SLAIN FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD,WITHIN THE PROCESS OF CREATION, AND IN THIS CASE WITHIN CORNELIUS, KNEW HIM, KNEW HIS ALMS, AND HEARD HIS PRAYERS, SO HE WAS JESUS’S SHEEP, HE HEARD HIM FROM WITHIN HIM AND ACTED ACCORDINGLY!

    So the fact that Cornelius heard Jesus’ words although he was not baptised, it is only through the fact that God established PURPOSELY IN THE VERY BEGINNING the process of “THE WORD” and GOD THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT within, HIDDEN IN “THE WORD” AND “THE WORD” IS DIRECTLY WITHIN AND ATTACHED TO ALL CREATURES, GOD GENERALLY HEARD CORNELIUS AND SENT HIS ANGEL TO HIM!

    A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF JESUS’SPIRIT “THE WORD”AS THE MEDIATOR SPIRIT, BETWEEN GOD AND HIS CREATURES!

    And not yet baptised OK?

    John10:28 And I give them life everlasting; and they shall not perish for ever, and no man shall pluck them out of my hand.

    SO ONCE A PERSON, NO MATTER WHO, LIVE IN CHRIST IN THE TRUTH, HE IS GOD’S PROPERTY! NO ONE SHALL PLUCK HIM OUT OF JESUS’ HAND,

    SO BAPTISM IS ONLY A DECLARATION ON EARTH FOR SATAN TO BE AWARE THAT HE LOST THAT SOUL! KEEP AWAY FROM IT IT’S USELESS!

    AND IN GOD’S EYES ,SPIRITUALLY, THAT SOUL IS HIS, OK NICK??? SINCE HE LIVED IN CHRIST IN THE SPIRIT AND TRUTH! HE LIVED WITHIN CHRIST’S KINGDOM WHILE ON EARTH!

    Acts 10:36 God sent the word to the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all.)

    EVEN IF NOT YET BAPTISED! OK?

    It is JESUS’ spirit WITHIN CORNELIUS, “THE WORD” that gave life, the flesh ALTHOUGH IS NOT BAPTISED, COUNTED FOR NOTHING!

    OBVIOUS THE FACT THAT JESUS’ SPIRIT “THE WORD” WITHIN ALL CREATURES IS RULING IN THE TRUTH, AS HE DECLARED FROM THE CROSS:

    WHEN I AM LIFTED UP ALL THINGS COME UNTO ME!

    and in 1John 5:8 And there are three that give testimony on earth: the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three are one.

    MORE IN THE NEXT POST

    Peace and love in Jesus
    Charles

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