Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

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Quote (jammin @ June 06 2012,00:48)

(1)Christ is not the HS. (2)he is the son of GOD

Hi Jammin,

1) Who said he was?
2) You seem to think differently?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

June 7, 2012 at 12:59 am#301293

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you! you always insist that the WORD in john 1.1 is the HS but no translation that says that! that is just your imagination
the WORD in john 1.1 is Christ, the son of GOD!
make your own version boy LOL

June 7, 2012 at 2:27 am#301323

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Quote (jammin @ June 06 2012,00:48)

Christ is not the HS.

Hi Jammin,

Who said he was?

you!

No, I haven't

June 7, 2012 at 7:25 am#301367

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Charles, I think you misunderstood me, of course God is not a person. This is what I stated.

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John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

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Also:

God is a complex Spirit.

God has seven spirits

Charles, God is not split up into seven spirits. He is one. These seven spirits are serving him. These have a specific job to do and are angels.

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God is a MYSTERIOUS entity CALLING GOD A PERSON IS AN INSULT BECAUSE YOU ARE DETERMINING WHAT GOD IS.

I fully agree. I did not imply this.

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WE HUMANS AND CORRUPTED MORTALS ARE NOT CAPABLE TO DEFINE THE GEUINE ENTITY OF GOD, NOT EVEN IN ANY OF ALL THE LANGUAGES WE ARE ABLE TO POSSESS THE RIGHT AND PROPER WORDS TO DEFINE GOD.

Luke 10:22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.

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THE HOLY SPIRIT IS A PERSON

ROMANS 8:26: 27 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh INTERCESSATION for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh INTERCESSATION for the saints according to the will of God.

The holy spirit mentioned comes straight from God. If God makes intercession for us, and the holy spirit is the spirit of truth, then God is revealing deep things to us. Guiding us. Showing us what we ought to pray for…ie. showing us to strengthen our weaknesses and by bringing his words into remembrance whilst we pray.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance whatsoever I have said unto you.

God makes intercession for the saints. He helps us to remember whatever he has said to us through his word.

He that searches the hearts is God and knows what is the mind of the spirit, (his will)

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SO THE HOLY SPIRIT INTERCEDE FOR US THEREFORE HE IS A PERSON

Acts 8:29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.
Acts 10: 19 While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee. 20 Arise therefore, and get thee down, and go with them, doubting nothing: for I HAVE SENT THEM

NOTICE I HAVE SENT THEM

POWER,OR FORCE HAS NO SUCH ATTRIBUTES

SO ALL THE ABOVE ARE ATTRIBUTES OF A PERSON. IF THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS JUST POWER OR FORCE NONE OF THE ABOVE COULD BE APPLIED

These are the attributes of God.

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( THE “I” AND ME PERSONAL PRONOUNS, THEREFORE HE IS A PERSON ALSO NOTICE I HAVE CALLED THEM )

SO ALL THE ABOVE ARE DIRECT ACTIONS BY THE HOLY SPIRIT AS A PERSON WITH AUTHORITY OF GOD.

POWER OR FORCE CANNOT FUNCTION AS SUCH.

The holy spirit is a mystery to the world Charles. A person is human. Think about it carefully what you are saying. May the Lord reveal to you.

A force is something you can't see with power making things happen. This force comes from God.

June 7, 2012 at 7:29 am#301368

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 06 2012,06:28)

Hi J,
“Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.”

Exactly Nick.

This is a prophesy. This kingdom is coming. We know it exists, but the world will see it in all it's glory. It will be set up on earth, with the rulers of God's choosing this time. And the truth shall flow out of Zion.

June 7, 2012 at 7:39 am#301370

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Hi Pierre

No this is all future. Boys and girls playing safely in the streets? Men living to a very old age? Marvelous in the eyes of the remnant?
Strong nations coming to seek the Lord in Jerusalem? At the moment they all want war? And the USA has a different controlling agenda from what appears.

Israel is not dwelling in safety, nor has for thousands of years.

June 7, 2012 at 12:53 pm#301387

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Christ is not the HS.

Hi Jammin,

Who said he was?

you!

No, I haven't

June 7, 2012 at 5:40 pm#301398

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Christ is not the HS.

Hi Jammin,

Who said he was?

you!

No, I haven't

Hi Jammin,

John 1:1 εν αρχη ην ο λογος και ο λογος ην προς τον θεον και θεος ην ο λογος
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and God was the Word

“As many as received him, to them gave he
power to become the sons of God” (John 1:12)

“God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us
The Word (the HolySpirit) of reconciliation.” (2 Cor 5:19)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

June 7, 2012 at 6:00 pm#301402

terraricca

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Quote (journey42 @ June 08 2012,01:39)

Hi Pierre

Israel is not dwelling in safety, nor has for thousands of years.

J42

you follow main stream religion ,all those scriptures have been accomplished ,but you can believe what you want ,

God is concerned not with the nations against him but the people of the nations that comes to him and his son to be saved ,this is what brings glory to the remnant and the son and his father ,

you also said that God his not a person or being right ?

this is untrue ,the fact that God his a spirit does not eliminate to be a person or being (as complex as it could be )

June 7, 2012 at 8:30 pm#301434

carmel

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 07 2012,08:44)

Hi Charles,
The seven spirits [heb1]of God are angels in front of His throne.

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The seven spirits [heb1]of God are angels in front of His throne.

Nick,

Show me where in scripture says that the

SEVEN SPIRIT OF GOD ARE ANGELS

PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS

CHARLES

June 7, 2012 at 8:36 pm#301435

NickHassan

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Hi Charles,
We know the Spirit of God is one.[1Cor12, eph]

God is ON His throne, not IN FRONT of it.

We know angels can be called spirits[heb1]

June 7, 2012 at 10:25 pm#301460

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Christ is not the HS.

Hi Jammin,

Who said he was?

you!

No, I haven't

Hi Jammin,

“As many as received him, to them gave he
power to become the sons of God” (John 1:12)

“God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us
The Word (the HolySpirit) of reconciliation.” (2 Cor 5:19)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

the verse is correct but your interpretation is wrong.
do not put your own words to the bible.
no version that says that the word in john 1.1 is the HS
it is just your imagination. you are high on drugs boy LOL
stop sniffing mosquito coil LOL

June 7, 2012 at 10:59 pm#301470

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Quote (Ed J @ June 08 2012,04:40)

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Quote (Ed J @ June 07 2012,13:27)

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Quote (jammin @ June 06 2012,00:48)

Christ is not the HS.

Hi Jammin,

Who said he was?

you!

No, I haven't

Hi Jammin,

“As many as received him, to them gave he
power to become the sons of God” (John 1:12)

“God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us
The Word (the HolySpirit) of reconciliation.” (2 Cor 5:19)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

the verse is correct but your interpretation is wrong.
do not put your own words to the bible.
no version that says that the word in john 1.1 is the HS
it is just your imagination. you are high on drugs boy LOL
stop sniffing mosquito coil LOL

Hi Jammin,

Should we consider mans alterations of Scripture as validity of truth?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

June 7, 2012 at 11:44 pm#301480

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Quote (journey42 @ June 08 2012,01:39)

Hi Pierre

Israel is not dwelling in safety, nor has for thousands of years.

J42

you follow main stream religion ,all those scriptures have been accomplished ,but you can believe what you want ,

God is concerned not with the nations against him but the people of the nations that comes to him and his son to be saved ,this is what brings glory to the remnant and the son and his father ,

you also said that God his not a person or being right ?

this is untrue ,the fact that God his a spirit does not eliminate to be a person or being (as complex as it could be )

Hi Pierre

No I said the holy spirit was not a person or a being. Not God. God is a being. We were made in his image.

Israel as a nation has rejected their messiah, and because of this, salvation has gone out to the gentiles. Jerusalem was destroyed in 70Ad, and even though they were given their land back in 1948, they have never been at peace. They are the most hated nation in the world, especially by the muslim nations. But the West are getting involved as well. They have been attacked many times, and have never had peace. They will not get peace until the Prince of Peace returns. This is when there will be safety there, as the lamb will protect them. When Satan is locked up for a thousand years, this kingdom will start, and be established in Jerusalem. This is not religion, this is from the holy scriptures. The old testament is full of prophesies concerning this time. Revelation also speaks of the holy camp (the kingdom) and it is on earth, and when Satan is let loose after the 1000 years, he will attack this kingdom, and gather men to follow him (Mog and Magog) but will not prevail, and this is his final end.

Joel 2:25 And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpillar, and the palmerworm, and my great army which I sent among you.

Joel 2:26 And you shall eat in plenty and be satisfied, and praise the name of the Lord your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my people shall never be ashamed.

Joel 2:27 And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the Lord your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.

Zephaniah 3:9 For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the Lord, to serve him with one consent.

Zephaniah 3:11 In that day shalt thou not be ashamed for all thy doings, wherein thou hast transgressed against me: for then I will take away out of the midst of thee them that rejoice in thy pride, and thou shalt no more be haughty because of my holy mountain.

Zephaniah 3:13 The remnant of Israel shall not do iniquity, nor speak lies, neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth: for they shall feed and lie down, and none shall make them afraid.

June 8, 2012 at 12:37 am#301496

terraricca

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Hi Pierre

Israel is not dwelling in safety, nor has for thousands of years.

J42

you follow main stream religion ,all those scriptures have been accomplished ,but you can believe what you want ,

God is concerned not with the nations against him but the people of the nations that comes to him and his son to be saved ,this is what brings glory to the remnant and the son and his father ,

you also said that God his not a person or being right ?

this is untrue ,the fact that God his a spirit does not eliminate to be a person or being (as complex as it could be )

Hi Pierre

No I said the holy spirit was not a person or a being. Not God. God is a being. We were made in his image.

Joel 2:25 And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpillar, and the palmerworm, and my great army which I sent among you.

Joel 2:26 And you shall eat in plenty and be satisfied, and praise the name of the Lord your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my people shall never be ashamed.

Joel 2:27 And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the Lord your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.

Zephaniah 3:9 For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the Lord, to serve him with one consent.

J42

ho ,ok ,right.

the remnant comes out of Israel ,the dead line of the Moses Law end in 70 ad,but many of the Jews that survived were scatered over all the roman empire,but remnant was still called ,

all the called were started with Christ disciples until the end of this age.we all know that those are righteous ones

the USA and today Israel as nothing to do in God purpose as a special people that his ,the events of today is only the out come of yesterday ,and God will bring all things to an end.

June 8, 2012 at 6:36 am#301554

carmel

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 08 2012,07:36)

Hi Charles,
We know the Spirit of God is one.[1Cor12, eph]

God is ON His throne, not IN FRONT of it.

We know angels can be called spirits[heb1]

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We know the Spirit of God is one.[1Cor12, eph]

God is ON His throne, not IN FRONT of it.

We know angels can be called spirits[heb1]

Nick,

do you know that the entire creation is ONE SPIRIT OF GOD INCLUDING THE DEVILS THEMSELVES???

SINCE

ALL IN HIM ,ALL BY HIM ,AND ALL FOR HIM???

ANGELS ARE SPIRITS,

WE ARE SPIRITS AS WELL.

OUR CARNAL BODIES ORIGINATED FROM EVIL SPIRITS.

WHEN WE READ A BOOK WE WOULD BE HANDLING A TREE.

OUR BODIES ARE FORMED

A SPIRIT

A SOUL ALSO AN INFERIOR SPIRIT

A CARNAL BODY EX EVIL SPIRIT ALSO AN INFERIOR VISIBLE SPIRIT ONLY

BEFORE ADAM WE WERE THE WORST VISIBLE SPIRITS ONLY SINCE WE POSSESSED SATAN'S SPIRIT ONLY!!

WE ARE IN THE PROCESS TO BECOME A SPIRITUALIZED BODY AFTER THE DEATH OF THIS CORRUPTED CARNAL BODY,ACCORDING TO HOW SPIRITUAL OUR LIFE ON EARTH WOULD BE ESTABLISHED.

WE ARE BEING RECYCLED

BUT AT THE END WE WILL BE BOTH SPIRIT,AND CARNAL AND BOTH VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE FOR ETERNITY

THIS IS THE MYSTERY:

WE WOULD BE ONE SPIRIT IN ONE GOD

ALL IN ALL

BUT STILL NOT ONE SINCE WE WOULD BE PART OF THE ENTIRE CREATION

PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS THE FIRST AND ONLY TO OWN THE SPIRITUALIZED BODY

CHARLES

June 8, 2012 at 6:43 am#301555

NickHassan

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Hi Jammin,
Where does scripture say the Spirit Of God is a Person.
I think religion told you that.
Choose your master

June 8, 2012 at 7:27 am#301569

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ed,

that is not an alteration. what is what the bible says,

nick,

before you ask, you should study first. go back to elementary school and study the different meanings of the word person

June 8, 2012 at 7:37 am#301570