Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

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May 3, 2012 at 3:57 am#296197

terraricca

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 03 2012,21:18)

Hi T,
Yes anything we have that is useful to God comes from Him.
We are the vessels and the tools.

the vessel is the pot,inside the pot there is a heart and mind and a soul,(the carnal men receive a breathing spirit,the spiritual men receive on top of it a spirit of live)

this are the things we have to clean to be approved by God ,

pot =flesh count for nothing

May 3, 2012 at 3:58 am#296198

NickHassan

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Yes t,
The pot needs washing

May 3, 2012 at 3:59 am#296200

terraricca

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 03 2012,21:58)

Yes t,
The pot needs washing

May 3, 2012 at 3:56 pm#296265

carmel

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 29 2012,05:33)

1 Cor 11:3
Now I want you to realise that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

Charles, does your “head/trunk” analogy work equally with the others who are mentioned in this scripture?

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Charles, does your “head/trunk” analogy work equally with the others who are mentioned in this scripture?

Mike,
Read again:

But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

that the head of every man is Christ;

What is Paul referring to with the above???

So with reference to the above, since the head of every man is CHRIST. all men are CHRISTS.

But how you might ask?

Jesus Christ's Spirit was transformed into souls.

Adam when he received the FIRST EVER SOUL, again Jesus Christ's Spirit substance,became a LIVING SOUL.

So Adam had a soul from Jesus' Spirit,a spirit from the Holy Ghost derived from Jesus, and a body created by Jesus in creation through the Holy Spirit from the Father which was Lucifer's Substance, also ex Jesus' Spirit.

So as you can see,Adam the first MAN was created entirely from JESUS' SPIRIT.

ALL IN HIM ALL BY HIM ,AND ALL FOR HIM.

SO THE HEAD OF EVERY MAN IS CHRIST Through Adam

THERFORE ONLY THE MAN SYMBOLICALLY REPRESENTS CHRIST. (THE BODY, THE CHURCH) AND ONLY MAN SHOULD BE PRIESTS SINCE JESUS HIMSELF AS THE PRIEST IS REPRESENTED IN MAN.

the head of the woman is the man

Now notice the difference:

While in the previous one Paul said that THE HEAD OF EVERY MAN, In this one He said THE HEAD OF THE WOMAN SO ONLY ONE WOMAN.

This woman is the only immaculate woman God created,and He created HER with the SPIRIT OF JESUS TRANSFORMED INTO FLESH BODY THROUGH CREATION, HER SPIRIT IS OF THE HOLY GHOST,AND HER SOUL IS OF THE FATHER.

As you can see only as a human being MARY received a substance from JESUS and only Jesus became MAN, NOT THE FATHER, NOT THE HOLY GHOST

So the head of the woman is MAN

So the woman is man

Therefore MARY actually is THE MAN (notice the word THE TO SIGNIFY JESUS)when you consider that SHE IS JESUS' SPIRIT TRANSFORMED INTO WOMAN,

BORN AS A WOMAN.

THE FIRST EVER IMMACULATE WOMAN WHICH CARRIED THE TRIUNE GOD WITHIN HERSELF. IT HAD TO BE JESUS' SPIRIT.

IN ORDER TO BE CONSISTANT IN THE PHRASE:

IAM IN NTHE FATHER AND THE FATHER IS IN ME.

So, the head of every man is Christ;

THEREFORE MAN IS CHRIST

the head of the woman is the man;

THEREFORE THE WOMAN IS THE MAN

MARY IS JESUS'SPIRT AS FLESH

the head of Christ is God.

THEREFORE CHRIST IS GOD.

PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS

CAHRLES

May 3, 2012 at 4:02 pm#296266

carmel

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Quote (terraricca @ April 29 2012,04:57)

Charles

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With the same argument a trunk with his head on becomes the complete real person in respect of the head identification, so:

Jesus’ trunk with HIS head ON (WHICH IS GOD) becomes GOD,

so Christ could a chicken without head ?????

you are out of your mind .

wen Paul says that God is the Head of Christ he means it IN POWER ,JUST AS THE MAN IS THE HEAD OF THE WOMEN BY POWER,TO BE USED WITH GODLY LOVE.

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so Christ could a chicken without head

???

you are out of your mind .

wen Paul says that God is the Head of Christ he means it IN POWER ,JUST AS THE MAN IS THE HEAD OF THE WOMEN BY POWER,TO BE USED WITH GODLY LOVE.

Teraricca,

Read again:

But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

that the head of every man is Christ;

What is Paul referring to with the above???

So with reference to the above, since the head of every man is CHRIST. all men are CHRISTS.

But how you might ask?

Jesus Christ's Spirit was transformed into souls.

Adam when he received the FIRST EVER SOUL, again Jesus Christ's Spirit substance,became a LIVING SOUL.

So as you can see,Adam the first MAN was created entirely from JESUS' SPIRIT.

ALL IN HIM ALL BY HIM ,AND ALL FOR HIM.

SO THE HEAD OF EVERY MAN IS CHRIST Through Adam

THERFORE ONLY THE MAN SYMBOLICALLY REPRESENTS CHRIST. (THE BODY, THE CHURCH) AND ONLY MAN SHOULD BE PRIESTS SINCE JESUS HIMSELF AS THE PRIEST IS REPRESENTED IN MAN.

the head of the woman is the man

Now notice the difference:

While in the previous one Paul said that THE HEAD OF EVERY MAN, In this one He said THE HEAD OF THE WOMAN SO ONLY ONE WOMAN.

As you can see only as a human being MARY received a substance from JESUS and only Jesus became MAN, NOT THE FATHER, NOT THE HOLY GHOST

So the head of the woman is MAN

So the woman is man

Therefore MARY actually is THE MAN (notice the word THE TO SIGNIFY JESUS)when you consider that SHE IS JESUS' SPIRIT TRANSFORMED INTO WOMAN,

BORN AS A WOMAN.

THE FIRST EVER IMMACULATE WOMAN WHICH CARRIED THE TRIUNE GOD WITHIN HERSELF. IT HAD TO BE JESUS' SPIRIT.

IN ORDER TO BE CONSISTANT IN THE PHRASE:

IAM IN NTHE FATHER AND THE FATHER IS IN ME.

So, the head of every man is Christ;

THEREFORE MAN IS CHRIST

the head of the woman is the man;

THEREFORE THE WOMAN IS THE MAN

MARY IS JESUS'SPIRT AS FLESH

the head of Christ is God.

THEREFORE CHRIST IS GOD.

PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS

CAHRLES

May 3, 2012 at 4:10 pm#296267

terraricca

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Quote (carmel @ May 04 2012,10:02)

Quote (terraricca @ April 29 2012,04:57)

Charles

Quote

With the same argument a trunk with his head on becomes the complete real person in respect of the head identification, so:

Jesus’ trunk with HIS head ON (WHICH IS GOD) becomes GOD,

so Christ could a chicken without head ?????

you are out of your mind .

wen Paul says that God is the Head of Christ he means it IN POWER ,JUST AS THE MAN IS THE HEAD OF THE WOMEN BY POWER,TO BE USED WITH GODLY LOVE.

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so Christ could a chicken without head

???

you are out of your mind .

wen Paul says that God is the Head of Christ he means it IN POWER ,JUST AS THE MAN IS THE HEAD OF THE WOMEN BY POWER,TO BE USED WITH GODLY LOVE.

Teraricca,

Read again:

But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

that the head of every man is Christ;

What is Paul referring to with the above???

So with reference to the above, since the head of every man is CHRIST. all men are CHRISTS.

But how you might ask?

Jesus Christ's Spirit was transformed into souls.

Adam when he received the FIRST EVER SOUL, again Jesus Christ's Spirit substance,became a LIVING SOUL.

So as you can see,Adam the first MAN was created entirely from JESUS' SPIRIT.

ALL IN HIM ALL BY HIM ,AND ALL FOR HIM.

SO THE HEAD OF EVERY MAN IS CHRIST Through Adam

THERFORE ONLY THE MAN SYMBOLICALLY REPRESENTS CHRIST. (THE BODY, THE CHURCH) AND ONLY MAN SHOULD BE PRIESTS SINCE JESUS HIMSELF AS THE PRIEST IS REPRESENTED IN MAN.

the head of the woman is the man

Now notice the difference:

While in the previous one Paul said that THE HEAD OF EVERY MAN, In this one He said THE HEAD OF THE WOMAN SO ONLY ONE WOMAN.

As you can see only as a human being MARY received a substance from JESUS and only Jesus became MAN, NOT THE FATHER, NOT THE HOLY GHOST

So the head of the woman is MAN

So the woman is man

Therefore MARY actually is THE MAN (notice the word THE TO SIGNIFY JESUS)when you consider that SHE IS JESUS' SPIRIT TRANSFORMED INTO WOMAN,

BORN AS A WOMAN.

THE FIRST EVER IMMACULATE WOMAN WHICH CARRIED THE TRIUNE GOD WITHIN HERSELF. IT HAD TO BE JESUS' SPIRIT.

IN ORDER TO BE CONSISTANT IN THE PHRASE:

IAM IN NTHE FATHER AND THE FATHER IS IN ME.

So, the head of every man is Christ;

THEREFORE MAN IS CHRIST

the head of the woman is the man;

THEREFORE THE WOMAN IS THE MAN

MARY IS JESUS'SPIRT AS FLESH

the head of Christ is God.

THEREFORE CHRIST IS GOD.

PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS

CAHRLES

Charles

according to your logic, we also are all gods,and anointed,and so are all the women ,

and we all are dust ;right

May 3, 2012 at 4:24 pm#296270

carmel

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Mike/Teraricca

Reflect

1Corinthians 11:8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. 9Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. 10For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels. 11Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord. 12For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God.

8For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.

Adam is not of Eve, but Eve of Adam.

9Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

Neither JESUS was created for Mary ,but Mary was for JESUS!

11Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.

Nevertheless neither JESUS could be born without MARY, neither MARY could be created without JESUS’ SPIRIT, IN ORDER TO BE BORN LORD

12For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God.

For as MARY was created through JESUS’SPIRIT, even so is JESUS also was born by MARY, but all things came from GOD

PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS

CHARLES

May 3, 2012 at 4:32 pm#296272

carmel

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Quote (terraricca @ May 04 2012,03:10)

Quote (carmel @ May 04 2012,10:02)

Quote (terraricca @ April 29 2012,04:57)

Charles

Quote

With the same argument a trunk with his head on becomes the complete real person in respect of the head identification, so:

Jesus’ trunk with HIS head ON (WHICH IS GOD) becomes GOD,

so Christ could a chicken without head ?????

you are out of your mind .

wen Paul says that God is the Head of Christ he means it IN POWER ,JUST AS THE MAN IS THE HEAD OF THE WOMEN BY POWER,TO BE USED WITH GODLY LOVE.

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so Christ could a chicken without head

???

you are out of your mind .

wen Paul says that God is the Head of Christ he means it IN POWER ,JUST AS THE MAN IS THE HEAD OF THE WOMEN BY POWER,TO BE USED WITH GODLY LOVE.

Teraricca,

Read again:

But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

that the head of every man is Christ;

What is Paul referring to with the above???

So with reference to the above, since the head of every man is CHRIST. all men are CHRISTS.

But how you might ask?

Jesus Christ's Spirit was transformed into souls.

Adam when he received the FIRST EVER SOUL, again Jesus Christ's Spirit substance,became a LIVING SOUL.

So as you can see,Adam the first MAN was created entirely from JESUS' SPIRIT.

ALL IN HIM ALL BY HIM ,AND ALL FOR HIM.

SO THE HEAD OF EVERY MAN IS CHRIST Through Adam

THERFORE ONLY THE MAN SYMBOLICALLY REPRESENTS CHRIST. (THE BODY, THE CHURCH) AND ONLY MAN SHOULD BE PRIESTS SINCE JESUS HIMSELF AS THE PRIEST IS REPRESENTED IN MAN.

the head of the woman is the man

Now notice the difference:

While in the previous one Paul said that THE HEAD OF EVERY MAN, In this one He said THE HEAD OF THE WOMAN SO ONLY ONE WOMAN.

As you can see only as a human being MARY received a substance from JESUS and only Jesus became MAN, NOT THE FATHER, NOT THE HOLY GHOST

So the head of the woman is MAN

So the woman is man

Therefore MARY actually is THE MAN (notice the word THE TO SIGNIFY JESUS)when you consider that SHE IS JESUS' SPIRIT TRANSFORMED INTO WOMAN,

BORN AS A WOMAN.

THE FIRST EVER IMMACULATE WOMAN WHICH CARRIED THE TRIUNE GOD WITHIN HERSELF. IT HAD TO BE JESUS' SPIRIT.

IN ORDER TO BE CONSISTANT IN THE PHRASE:

IAM IN NTHE FATHER AND THE FATHER IS IN ME.

So, the head of every man is Christ;

THEREFORE MAN IS CHRIST

the head of the woman is the man;

THEREFORE THE WOMAN IS THE MAN

MARY IS JESUS'SPIRT AS FLESH

the head of Christ is God.

THEREFORE CHRIST IS GOD.

PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS

CAHRLES

Charles

according to your logic, we also are all gods,and anointed,and so are all the women ,

and we all are dust ;right

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according to your logic, we also are all gods,and anointed,and so are all the women ,

and we all are dust ;right

mike,

I already told you WE ARE GODS

NOT WHOM WE WERE,

NOT WHOM WE ARE

BUT WHOM WE WILL BE

GOD IN JESUS DIED NOT JUST TO SAVE US BUT TO BE IN EVERy SENSE LIKE HIME,OR RATHER HE HIMSLEF!!!

IN ONE BODY

WE ARE JESUS' BODY ALREADY ON EARTH

WE WERE BOUGHT FOR A PRICE

WHICH WAS THE BLOOD OF JESUS.

WITH EVERY RESPECT:

YOU ARE VERY VERY VERY FAR FROM GOD'S PLAN!!!!

peace and love in Jesus

Charles.

May 3, 2012 at 6:54 pm#296276

NickHassan

Participant

Hi Charles,
Mary was no more of the Spirit of Christ than any other.
Only the Prophets were anointed of God.
She was just a chosen vessel.

May 3, 2012 at 7:37 pm#296281

Ed J

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Quote (carmel @ May 04 2012,03:02)

So, the head of every man is Christ;

THEREFORE MAN IS CHRIST

the head of the woman is the man;

THEREFORE THE WOMAN IS THE MAN

MARY IS JESUS'SPIRT AS FLESH

the head of Christ is God.

THEREFORE CHRIST IS GOD.

PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS

CAHRLES

Hi Charles,

I know that: Jerusalem represents Jesus,
and Mt.Zion represents God's “HolySpirit”.

You are at least trying to be consistent
in your beliefs, though I consider it odd
in the logic you present as your support.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

May 3, 2012 at 8:03 pm#296284

NickHassan

Participant

Hi Charles,
Foolish logic rules your philosophic religion.

May 3, 2012 at 9:29 pm#296296

carmel

Participant

Quote (Ed J @ May 04 2012,06:37)

Quote (carmel @ May 04 2012,03:02)

So, the head of every man is Christ;

THEREFORE MAN IS CHRIST

the head of the woman is the man;

THEREFORE THE WOMAN IS THE MAN

MARY IS JESUS'SPIRT AS FLESH

the head of Christ is God.

THEREFORE CHRIST IS GOD.

PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS

CAHRLES

Hi Charles,

I know that: Jerusalem represents Jesus,
and Mt.Zion represents God's “HolySpirit”.

You are at least trying to be consistent
in your beliefs, though I consider it odd
in the logic you present as your support.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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I know that: Jerusalem represents Jesus,
and Mt.Zion represents God's “HolySpirit”

Edj,

You are almost there!!!

Israel represents Lucifer Spirit completely blind throughout scripture that he can achieve the human state and be like the most high. The fact that Jacob had his name changed to Israel, it shows that God THROUGH HIS CHOSEN PEOPLE ,LUCIFER'S SUBSTANCE in Adam,wants to convince him that HE IS THE LORD.

The story of Jacob and Esau is a replica of the rebel of Lucifer,and Adam's Sin. twice Jacob cheated Esau, and twice Lucifer cheated God first as an angel,then as a MAN in Adam.Also Jacob restled with God ? then Changed his name.

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD

Jerusalem Represents The Body man the cause of the rebel

Zion Represts The Soul God's substance through Jesus' spirit,in order for the spirit to abide in man

ALL CREATED BY JESUS THROUGH HIS SPIRIT BY THE FATHER.

ALL PURCHASED BY JESUS with his blood to demonstrate HIS LOVE, not HIS MAJESTY.

ALL EVENTUALLY WOULD FORM JESUS' MYSTICAL BODY OF GOD ON THE LAST DAY

ALL BY HIM,ALL IN HIM, ALL FOR HIM

I will post in detail regarding this.

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles

May 3, 2012 at 11:03 pm#296313

NickHassan

Participant

Hi Charles,
The Spirit of God does not live in natural men.

May 3, 2012 at 11:11 pm#296315

Ed J

Participant

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 04 2012,10:03)

Hi Charles,
The Spirit of God does not live in natural men.

Hi Nick, yes, God needs a clean receptacle to (tabernacle) dwell in.
“Turn you (meaning “REPENT”) at my reproof: (and) behold,
I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known
my words unto you.” (Proverbs 1:23)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

May 3, 2012 at 11:24 pm#296318

NickHassan

Participant

Hi ED,
The response God requires to His gift of repentance is water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ.

May 4, 2012 at 1:26 am#296352

jammin

Participant

that is not the topic here.

May 4, 2012 at 6:05 am#296433

carmel

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 04 2012,10:03)

Hi Charles,
The Spirit of God does not live in natural men.

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Hi Charles,
The Spirit of God does not live in natural men.

Nick,

Read again WHAT I POSTED:

Zion Represts The Soul God's substance through Jesus' spirit,in order for the spirit to abide in man

The soul is the mediator (Jesus' Spirit) between the natural man and the Spirit of God.

1 Timothy2:5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus

Happy now?

peace and love in Jesus MEDIATOR

CHARLES

May 4, 2012 at 6:40 am#296436

NickHassan

Participant

Hi Charles,
No substance but all opinion.

May 5, 2012 at 5:43 pm#296620

carmel

Participant

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 04 2012,10:03)

Hi Charles,
The Spirit of God does not live in natural men.

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Mary was no more of the Spirit of Christ than any other. Only the Prophets were anointed of God.

The Spirit of God does not live in natural men.

Nick,

Only the Prophets were anointed of God.

HOW COME JOHN THE BAPTIST IS NOT ANOINTED,AND HE IS MORE THAN A PROPHET???

I said in the previous post that anointed has many meanings.

Lucifer was anointed but now he is Satan the extreem opposing spirit of God.

The Spirit of God does not live in natural men.

Is this means that Jesus died for nothing, THE SPIRIT OF GOD WAS SENT BY JESUS HIMSELF FROM THE FATHER TO ABIDE IN US NO MATTER WHAT. WITH AUTHORITY IN ALL HUMANS.

JESUS RECONCILED ALL ONTO HIM FOR THE FATHER TO ABIDE WITHIN THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT.

NOW ABOUT MARY:

LUKE 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Would you be so kind to explain in GOD”s terms what these titles make us aware of regarding the state of MARY according to the angel:

thou that art highly favoured, WHO THROUGHOUT SCRIPTURE WAS ADDRESSED IN THIS MANNER???

blessed art thou among women From this we are sure that SHE WAS NOT BLESSED FROM THAT TIME THE ANGEL SPOKE BUT THROUGHOUT HER CREATION FROM SETH.

NOW READ :

Jeremiah 31:22How long wilt thou go about, O thou backsliding daughter? for the LORD hath created a NEW THING in the earth, A WOMAN SHALL COMPASS A MAN.

THE LORD HAD CREATED A NEW THING IN THE EARTH,A WOMAN SHALL COMPAS A MAN

So Mary is a new thing throughout creation .

The process of creation, it took so long purposely to achieve the right perfect and pure flesh of Mary,in order for the Son of God to be born and the Father abides in Jesus' flesh.

I let you determine yourself what is the real value of blessed by the ALMIGHTY

UP TO NOW WE ARE AWARE THAT MARY WAS:

HIGHLY FAVOURED,

BLESSED AMONG WOMAN

A NEW CREATED THING

The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee,

So you said she was not anointed!! is this because there was no one around to put some oil.

Is it the oil or the word of God which anoint someone???

What does The Holy Ghost doing upon her???

Isn't The Holy Ghost which conceived MARY???

Isn't it a special and unique anointing although there was no oil?

the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee:

WOW!! WOW!! Am I reading well THE POWER OF THE ALMIGHTY GOD !!!! I wonder is this the anointing or the other one??? Which will satisfy you as anointing. THIS ONE, THE OTHER ONE ,OR BOTH??? OR ALL WHAT WE DISCOVERED ?

THERE'S MORE HERE!!!

shall overshadow thee

OOOOOOOOOOOOOh THIS MUST BE THE ANOINTING THEN I WAS MISTAKEN

OR ALL OF THEM, WHAT DO WE NEED THE OIL FOR?

After all why the wordANOINTING is required since:

John the Baptist was the greatest person that ever was born of a woman,and also more that a prophet never needed it.

Will MARY the mother of God in flesh require such insignificant oily man made title,when within Her womb was conceived the author of all creation never mind anointing!!!

I WONDER WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO YOU NICK IF YOU WERE TO RECEIVE THESE KINDS OF ANOINTING???

WOULDN'T YOU FEEL A KIND OF EXPLOSION IN YOU SINCE THE SPIRIT OF GOD WOULD NOT ABIDE IN NATURAL MAN LIKE YOU??

From the other hand the fact that Mary received all this don't you think that as you said SHE IS NOT just a poll chosen NATURAL person. But she was rather prepared through the Holy Spirit from the first born of the generations of heaven in SETH since through the generations of earth in Adam the first born was CAIN ,therefore ordinary humans us???

peace and love in Jesus

Charles

May 5, 2012 at 7:20 pm#296627

NickHassan

Participant

Hi Charles,
John was blessed in the Spirit while in the womb.

The Spirit of God is designed as a temple for the living God.[1cor 2.12, 1cor 3.17, 2cor 4.7]

Why should you make assumptions about Mary? She was chosen by God and that is enough. No anointing spoken of in scripture-do you think she is the MOTHER OF GOD?

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