Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

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edj,

you have the nature of MAN. that's why you are MAN

jammin,

Could you not equally say that because Ed has the nature of man, he is a man?

before i answer your question, do you know what is the nature of MAN?

Hi Jammin,

Do you know what is “divine nature”;
if so please define it for us, OK?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

April 29, 2012 at 3:13 pm#295508

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answer my question boy

your nature is not MAN?? what are you? an animal?

Hi Jammin,

I have the nature of the New Man;
which is available to you as well!
Don't let pride swallow you up

God bless
Ed J

so your nature is not MAN?

Hi Jammin,

“Put off concerning the former conversation the old man,
which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; And be renewed
in the spirit of your mind; And that ye put on the new man, which after God
is created in righteousness and true holiness. (Ephesians 4:22-24)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

this does not answer Jammi's question ,try again

PIERRE

I have the nature of the New Man;
which is available to you as well!
Don't let pride swallow you up.

God bless
Ed J

April 29, 2012 at 3:16 pm#295509

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Hi MB,
Has the Word not yet become flesh in you?

No Nick. In fact, didn't you say earlier that the Word was only said to have become flesh in Jesus, and not the OT prophets?

But right now, we're dealing with that little word “IN”.

When is it ever taught in scripture that the Word became flesh “IN” a person who was already flesh?

Can you post the scripture for me?

April 29, 2012 at 3:21 pm#295511

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edj,

you have the nature of MAN. that's why you are MAN

jammin,

Could you not equally say that because Ed has the nature of man, he is a man?

before i answer your question, do you know what is the nature of MAN?

Yes jammin,

The nature of a human being is a soul within flesh powered by spirit on loan from God.

Now answer my question please.

April 29, 2012 at 3:27 pm#295513

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I know what the words actually say, and believe them. You, on the other hand, don't like what the words actually teach, and so have taken it upon yourself to add words into 1:14 so it conforms better around your own imagined doctrine.

The teaching is that the one called “the Word” BECAME flesh. The teaching never was that the thing called “the Word” came to be IN somebody who already was flesh.

Nick, isn't it you who keeps spouting off about how “every word counts” and other such things? Why then would you add your own words into the God-inspired scriptures, thereby changing the entire context and meaning of those scriptures?

Hi Mike, (you attempt to build doctrine on a misunderstood verse?)

Acts 10:38
………for God was with (in more term “IN”) him.

2 Cor 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ……

John 14:10 ……….but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

With μετά (met-ah')
with which it is joined;
properly, denoting accompaniment.

God bless
Ed J

Okay Ed,

You've claimed for a long time that the Word was God. But that doesn't work unless you believe God became flesh, and dwelled among us with the glory of God's only begotten.

Also, let's see where your claim takes us in this verse:
John 6:38 (King James Version)
For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

Ed, WHO came down from heaven? If it was God, then why did God come, NOT to do His own will, but the will of God?

April 29, 2012 at 4:09 pm#295531

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The teaching is that the one called “the Word” BECAME flesh. The teaching never was that the thing called “the Word” came to be IN somebody who already was flesh.

Hi Mike, (you attempt to build doctrine on a misunderstood verse?)

Acts 10:38
………for God was with (in more term “IN”) him.

2 Cor 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ……

John 14:10 ……….but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

With μετά (met-ah')
with which it is joined;
properly, denoting accompaniment.

God bless
Ed J

Okay Ed,

(1)You've claimed for a long time that the Word was God. (2)But that doesn't work unless you believe God became flesh, and dwelled among us with the glory of God's only begotten.

Also, let's see where your claim takes us in this verse:
John 6:38 (King James Version)
For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

Ed, WHO came down from heaven? If it was God, then why did God come, NOT to do His own will, but the will of God?

Hi Mike,

1) That's what John 1:1 claims.
2) the glory as of the only begotten of the Father (John 1:14) com-
pared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. (Romans 8:18)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

April 29, 2012 at 4:09 pm#295532

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 30 2012,02:27)

Okay Ed,

Also, let's see where your claim takes us in this verse:
John 6:38 (King James Version)
For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

Ed, (1)WHO came down from heaven? (2)If it was God, then why did God come, (3)NOT to do His own will, but the will of God?

Hi Mike,

This is a separate point altogether.

1) Christ
2) God came down at Jesus baptism.
3) What?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

April 29, 2012 at 4:11 pm#295533

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edj,

you have the nature of MAN. that's why you are MAN

jammin,

Could you not equally say that because Ed has the nature of man, he is a man?

before i answer your question, do you know what is the nature of MAN?

Yes jammin,

The nature of a human being is a soul within flesh powered by spirit on loan from God.

Now answer my question please.

wht else mike? that is incomplete

pls give the complete answer of the question

April 29, 2012 at 4:12 pm#295534

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edj,

you have the nature of MAN. that's why you are MAN

jammin,

Could you not equally say that because Ed has the nature of man, he is a man?

before i answer your question, do you know what is the nature of MAN?

Hi Jammin,

Do you know what is “divine nature”;
if so please define it for us, OK?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

i still have question for you. you may first answer my question

April 29, 2012 at 4:13 pm#295535

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Quote (jammin @ April 28 2012,02:35)

edj,

you have the nature of MAN. that's why you are MAN

jammin,

Could you not equally say that because Ed has the nature of man, he is a man?

before i answer your question, do you know what is the nature of MAN?

Hi Jammin,

Do you know what is “divine nature”;
if so please define it for us, OK?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

i still have question for you. you may first answer my question

What question?

April 29, 2012 at 4:21 pm#295539

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go to the for jammin thread

April 29, 2012 at 4:24 pm#295541

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Quote (jammin @ April 29 2012,10:11)

wht else mike? that is incomplete

pls give the complete answer of the question

If YOU would like to add to my answer, then do so jammin. How am I to know what answer you're looking for. Should I add that the nature of man is to have 10 fingers and 10 toes? Or 2 eyes? Or 1 heart?

What answer is it you're looking for? Now, I have given you MY answer to your question. It is YOUR turn:

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edj,

you have the nature of MAN. that's why you are MAN

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 30 2012,02:21)

Could you not equally say that because Ed has the nature of man, he is a man?

Yes or No, jammin.

April 29, 2012 at 4:32 pm#295545

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he is a Man by nature. what is the problem with that mike? the father is a God but not a god
so you understand the difference between god and God?

you agree that you and your father have the same nature, MAN.

do you agree that christ and his father have the same nature, GOD? yes or no ?

April 29, 2012 at 4:41 pm#295550

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Quote (jammin @ April 29 2012,10:32)

he is a Man by nature. what is the problem with that mike? the father is a God but not a god

jammin,

I think you're finally getting it!

Yes, Jehovah is a god and Jesus is a god. But we cap the “G” for the god who is the Most High God. That makes Jehovah, as the Most High God, the only “God” (with a capped “G”), because He is the only One who is Most High, Almighty, and God of all the other lesser gods.

Jesus is one of those lesser gods. He is the highest god of all the lesser gods, but still a lesser god than his own God.

April 29, 2012 at 4:52 pm#295556

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mike i still have question for u

i do not need your explanation bec i know what im saying.

you agree that you and your father have the same nature, MAN.

do you also agree that christ and his father have the same nature, GOD? yes or no?

April 29, 2012 at 4:55 pm#295558

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go to the for jammin thread

Hi Jammin,

I answered it already.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

April 29, 2012 at 5:17 pm#295568

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you agree that you and your father have the same nature, MAN.

do you also agree that christ and his father have the same nature, GOD? yes or no?

Yes, I agree that since my father is a man, I am also a man.

And yes, I agree that since Jesus' Father is a spirit being, Jesus is also a spirit being.

April 29, 2012 at 5:18 pm#295569

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ok you agree that Christ and the father have the same nature, God.

what is the nature of God mike?

April 29, 2012 at 5:20 pm#295570

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ill give you the meaning of nature to make it easier for you
nature means inherent qualities

April 29, 2012 at 5:33 pm#295578