Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

Participant

Hi WJ,
You say
“Jesus had the Spirit without measure meaning that all God had Jesus has which means to us he is no less than God.”

So in your mind if Jesus the man is GIVEN the Spirit without measure that somehow makes him equal to God?

But scripture says

“And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.”heb 7/7

Your logic surely is similar to that of the carnal Jews who thought that Jesus Christ saying he was the son of God made him equal to God?

They wanted to kill him. Should you align with them?

April 27, 2012 at 8:19 pm#295270

Participant

Hi WJ,
Jn5
18Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

Jn10
29My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

30I and my Father are one.

31Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

32Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

33The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

April 28, 2012 at 2:58 am#295286

mikeboll64

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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 27 2012,01:04)

I “live in the OT”? Is that your way of saying that I take all scriptures into account?

Btw, Jesus was referring to those who came before claiming to be the Christ who was to come into the world. He was not speaking about the OT prophets and servants of God, IMO.

April 28, 2012 at 3:02 am#295287

mikeboll64

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 26 2012,20:03)

Hi MB,
Theological arguments prove nothing.
EVERY WORD counts

So then you can see how important each word is, and how one could totally skew the scriptural teaching by adding to or taking away from those words, right?

Remember that when you feel inclinded to add the word “IN” into John 1:14. The words say “the Word BECAME flesh” – not “came to be IN someone who already was flesh”.

Do you agree?

April 28, 2012 at 4:09 am#295295

Participant

Hi Mb,
Is Christ not IN you?

April 28, 2012 at 4:21 am#295300

Participant

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 28 2012,14:02)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 26 2012,20:03)

Hi MB,
Theological arguments prove nothing.
EVERY WORD counts

So then you can see how important each word is, and how one could totally skew the scriptural teaching by adding to or taking away from those words, right?

Remember that when you feel inclinded to add the word “IN” into John 1:14. The words say “the Word BECAME flesh” – not “came to be IN someone who already was flesh”.

Do you agree?

Hi Mike, (are you having the same conversation in more than one thread again?)

Do these verses together help you to understand who “The Word' is??

the glory as of the only begotten of the Father (John 1:14) com-
pared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. (Romans 8:18)

The Word(HolySpirit) of the oath, which was since the law,
maketh the Son(Jesus Christ), who is consecrated for evermore. (Hebrews 7:28)

1Pet.1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of
incorruptible, by “The Word”(HolySpirit) of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Of his own will begat he us with “The Word”(HolySpirit) of truth,
that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. (James 1:18)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

April 28, 2012 at 5:08 am#295303

Participant

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 27 2012,17:12)

hi Jammin,
No that is not what he said.
You must learn TO BE ACCURATE
Otherwise you show contempt for what is holy

thomas said to jesus
my LORD and MY GOD! john 20.28

i believe what the bible said

April 28, 2012 at 5:09 am#295304

Participant

he is truly GOD.

April 28, 2012 at 5:20 am#295309

Participant

Quote (jammin @ April 28 2012,16:08)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 27 2012,17:12)

hi Jammin,
No that is not what he said.
You must learn TO BE ACCURATE
Otherwise you show contempt for what is holy

thomas said to jesus
my LORD and MY GOD! john 20.28

i believe what the bible said

Hi Jammin,

Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the HolySpirit and with power:
who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil;
for God was with (in more term “IN”) him.

2 Cor 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the
world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them;
and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the
Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of
myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

April 28, 2012 at 5:22 am#295310

mikeboll64

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 27 2012,22:09)

Hi Mb,
Is Christ not IN you?

Nick,

I asked you if you agree. Are you incapable of answering even the simplest of questions?

April 28, 2012 at 6:25 am#295319

Participant

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 28 2012,14:02)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 26 2012,20:03)

Hi MB,
Theological arguments prove nothing.
EVERY WORD counts

So then you can see how important each word is, and how one could totally skew the scriptural teaching by adding to or taking away from those words, right?

Remember that when you feel inclinded to add the word “IN” into John 1:14. The words say “the Word BECAME flesh” – not “came to be IN someone who already was flesh”.

Do you agree?

Hi MB,
We have this treasure in earthen vessels.
2Cor 4.7
Why can you only see flesh?

April 28, 2012 at 8:01 am#295328

Participant

Quote (Ed J @ April 28 2012,16:20)

Quote (jammin @ April 28 2012,16:08)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 27 2012,17:12)

hi Jammin,
No that is not what he said.
You must learn TO BE ACCURATE
Otherwise you show contempt for what is holy

thomas said to jesus
my LORD and MY GOD! john 20.28

i believe what the bible said

Hi Jammin,

2 Cor 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the
world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them;
and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the
Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of
myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

those verses are correct.

Christ is truly GOD by nature.

April 28, 2012 at 8:20 am#295330

KangarooJack

Participant

Keith said:

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Amen brother! Paul said that Christ is the “body.” Even the NWT says “reality.” All the “saviors” in the old testament pointed to Christ ho is the embodiment, that is the reality.

April 28, 2012 at 8:34 am#295334

Participant

Quote (jammin @ April 28 2012,19:01)

Quote (Ed J @ April 28 2012,16:20)

Quote (jammin @ April 28 2012,16:08)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 27 2012,17:12)

hi Jammin,
No that is not what he said.
You must learn TO BE ACCURATE
Otherwise you show contempt for what is holy

thomas said to jesus
my LORD and MY GOD! john 20.28

i believe what the bible said

Hi Jammin,

2 Cor 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the
world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them;
and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the
Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of
myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

those verses are correct.

Christ is truly GOD by nature.

Hi Jammin,

Are you suggesting that nature makes Christ GOD?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

April 28, 2012 at 8:35 am#295335

Participant

edj,

you have the nature of MAN. that's why you are MAN

April 28, 2012 at 8:45 am#295342

Participant

Quote (jammin @ April 28 2012,19:35)

edj,

you have the nature of MAN. that's why you are MAN

Hi Jammin,

I have the nature of the “New Man”; this is available to you as well!
Ephesians 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God
is created in righteousness and true holiness. (see 2Peter 1:4)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

April 28, 2012 at 9:25 am#295348

Participant

you mean your nature is not MAN?? what are you? an animal ? LOL

April 28, 2012 at 9:52 am#295352

Participant

Quote (jammin @ April 28 2012,20:25)

you mean your nature is not MAN?? what are you? an animal ? LOL

Hi Jammin,

The divine nature is created in righteousness and true holiness. (see 2Cor.5:17)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

April 28, 2012 at 10:28 am#295358