Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

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  • #295258
    terraricca
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    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 28 2012,01:04)

    Quote (carmel @ April 26 2012,16:45)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 26 2012,11:58)

    Quote (carmel @ April 24 2012,23:54)
    Mike

    an anointed one yes, But THE ANOINTED ONE  NO.

    The anointed one

    ONLY JESUS IS THE ANOINTED ONE. SO ADMIT,AND QUIT.


    Charles,

    Read the last bolded line of your own post.  Your source says Cyrus was “THE anointed one of the Lord”.

    My intention was never to belittle Jesus, or put him on an equal plane with God's other christs.  My intention was only to help you to speak according to scripture.  Saying that there has only ever been one christ of God is just not scriptural, and I just wanted you to know that.


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    Saying that there has only ever been one christ of God is just not scriptural, and I just wanted you to know that.

    Mike,

    Keep on playing with words.

    THERE'S ONLY ONE JESUS THE CHRIST

    THE OTHERS ARE NOT THE CHRISTS BUT JUST CHRISTS

    Something established through humans even by the order of God

    has nothing to do with God's the anointed one

    JESUS IS THE CHRIST BUT NOT A CHRIST

    JESUS IS THE ANOINTED ONE BUT NOT AN ANOINTED

    JESUS IS THE MESSIAS  BUT NOT A MESSIAS

    JESUS IS THE LIFE  BUT NOT A LIFE.

    JESUS IS THE WAY  BUT NOT A WAY.

    JESUS IS THE VINE BUT NOT A VINE

    JESUS IS THE TRUTH  BUT NOT A TRUTH.

    JESUS IS THE SAVIOUR BUT NOT A SVIOUR

    JESUS IS THE MASTER BUT NOT A MASTER.

    JESUS IS THE HEALER NOT A HEALER

    JESUS IS THE DOOR BUT NOT A DOOR

    JESUS IS THE GOD NOT A GOD.

    READ:

    What is sometimes referred to as the Edict of Restoration (actually two edicts) described in the Bible as being made by Cyrus the Great
    left a lasting legacy on the Jewish religion where because of his policies in Babylonia,
    he is referred to by the people of the Jewish faith, as “the anointed of the Lord” or a “Messiah”.

    PLEASE MIKE ONLY THE JEWS REFERRED TO HIM IN THAT TITLE NOTHWITHSTANDING THE FACT THAT HE WAS NOT A JEW HIMSELF. HE WAS NEVER ANOINTED AT ALL.

    [/B]

    Peter referred to Satan as the roaring lion, but he is not a lion.

    peace and love in Jesus nunique in every sense

    Charles


    HI carmel

    Excellent post!

    Mike Lives in th OT and doesn't understand that all the types, shadows, saviours etc pointed to Jesus. Jesus with his own words said the scriptures testified of him. He said that all that came before him were theives and robbers.

    The Greek word for Christ also means The Messiah.

    The problem they have is in every place in the NT scrptures the word “Christ” is used it refers to Jesus Christ.

    The apostles and the early fathers never refered to any man being the Christ other than Jesus,

    Jesus had the Spirit without measure meaning that all God had Jesus has which means to us he is no less than God.

    Blessings!

    Keith


    WJ

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    Jesus had the Spirit without measure meaning that all God had Jesus has which means to us he is no less than God.

    Blessings!

    Keith

    find those meanings in scriptures ??? without any other scriptures contradicting it then I would say you right ,if not your logic is false, right ????YES

    #295266
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi WJ,
    You say
    “Jesus had the Spirit without measure meaning that all God had Jesus has which means to us he is no less than God.”

    So in your mind if Jesus the man is GIVEN the Spirit without measure that somehow makes him equal to God?

    But scripture says

    “And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.”heb 7/7

    Your logic surely is similar to that of the carnal Jews who thought that Jesus Christ saying he was the son of God made him equal to God?

    They wanted to kill him. Should you align with them?

    #295270
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi WJ,
    Jn5
    18Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

    Jn10
    29My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

    30I and my Father are one.

    31Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

    32Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

    33The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

    #295286
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 27 2012,01:04)
    Mike Lives in th OT and doesn't understand that all the types, shadows, saviours etc pointed to Jesus. Jesus with his own words said the scriptures testified of him. He said that all that came before him were theives and robbers.


    I “live in the OT”? Is that your way of saying that I take all scriptures into account? :)

    Btw, Jesus was referring to those who came before claiming to be the Christ who was to come into the world. He was not speaking about the OT prophets and servants of God, IMO.

    #295287
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 26 2012,20:03)
    Hi MB,
    Theological arguments prove nothing.
    EVERY WORD counts


    So then you can see how important each word is, and how one could totally skew the scriptural teaching by adding to or taking away from those words, right?

    Remember that when you feel inclinded to add the word “IN” into John 1:14. The words say “the Word BECAME flesh” – not “came to be IN someone who already was flesh”.

    Do you agree?

    #295295
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Mb,
    Is Christ not IN you?

    #295300
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 28 2012,14:02)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 26 2012,20:03)
    Hi MB,
    Theological arguments prove nothing.
    EVERY WORD counts


    So then you can see how important each word is, and how one could totally skew the scriptural teaching by adding to or taking away from those words, right?

    Remember that when you feel inclinded to add the word “IN” into John 1:14.  The words say “the Word BECAME flesh” – not “came to be IN someone who already was flesh”.

    Do you agree?


    Hi Mike, (are you having the same conversation in more than one thread again?)

    Do these verses together help you to understand who “The Word' is??

    the glory as of the only begotten of the Father (John 1:14)   com-
    pared
    with the glory which shall be revealed in us
    . (Romans 8:18)

    The Word(HolySpirit) of the oath, which was since the law,
    maketh the Son(Jesus Christ), who is consecrated for evermore. (Hebrews 7:28)

    1Pet.1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of
    incorruptible, by “The Word”(HolySpirit) of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

    Of his own will begat he us with “The Word”(HolySpirit) of truth,
    that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. (James 1:18)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #295303
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 27 2012,17:12)
    hi Jammin,
    No that is not what he said.
    You must learn TO BE ACCURATE
    Otherwise you show contempt for what is holy


    thomas said to jesus
    my LORD and MY GOD! john 20.28

    i believe what the bible said

    #295304
    jammin
    Participant

    he is truly GOD.

    #295309
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ April 28 2012,16:08)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 27 2012,17:12)
    hi Jammin,
    No that is not what he said.
    You must learn TO BE ACCURATE
    Otherwise you show contempt for what is holy


    thomas said to jesus
    my LORD and MY GOD! john 20.28

    i believe what the bible said


    Hi Jammin,

    Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the HolySpirit and with power:
    who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil;
    for God was with (in more term “IN”) him.

    2 Cor 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the
    world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them;
    and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

    John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the
    Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of
    myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #295310
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 27 2012,22:09)
    Hi Mb,
    Is Christ not IN you?


    Nick,

    I asked you if you agree. Are you incapable of answering even the simplest of questions? ???

    #295319
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 28 2012,14:02)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 26 2012,20:03)
    Hi MB,
    Theological arguments prove nothing.
    EVERY WORD counts


    So then you can see how important each word is, and how one could totally skew the scriptural teaching by adding to or taking away from those words, right?

    Remember that when you feel inclinded to add the word “IN” into John 1:14.  The words say “the Word BECAME flesh” – not “came to be IN someone who already was flesh”.

    Do you agree?


    Hi MB,
    We have this treasure in earthen vessels.
    2Cor 4.7
    Why can you only see flesh?

    #295328
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ April 28 2012,16:20)

    Quote (jammin @ April 28 2012,16:08)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 27 2012,17:12)
    hi Jammin,
    No that is not what he said.
    You must learn TO BE ACCURATE
    Otherwise you show contempt for what is holy


    thomas said to jesus
    my LORD and MY GOD! john 20.28

    i believe what the bible said


    Hi Jammin,

    Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the HolySpirit and with power:
    who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil;
    for God was with (in more term “IN”) him.

    2 Cor 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the
    world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them;
    and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

    John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the
    Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of
    myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    those verses are correct.

    Christ is truly GOD by nature.

    #295330
    KangarooJack
    Participant

    Keith said:

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    Mike Lives in th OT and doesn't understand that all the types, shadows, saviours etc pointed to Jesus. Jesus with his own words said the scriptures testified of him. He said that all that came before him were theives and robbers.


    Amen brother! Paul said that Christ is the “body.” Even the NWT says “reality.” All the “saviors” in the old testament pointed to Christ ho is the embodiment, that is the reality.

    #295334
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ April 28 2012,19:01)

    Quote (Ed J @ April 28 2012,16:20)

    Quote (jammin @ April 28 2012,16:08)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 27 2012,17:12)
    hi Jammin,
    No that is not what he said.
    You must learn TO BE ACCURATE
    Otherwise you show contempt for what is holy


    thomas said to jesus
    my LORD and MY GOD! john 20.28

    i believe what the bible said


    Hi Jammin,

    Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the HolySpirit and with power:
    who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil;
    for God was with (in more term “IN”) him.

    2 Cor 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the
    world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them;
    and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

    John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the
    Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of
    myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    those verses are correct.

    Christ is truly GOD by nature.


    Hi Jammin,

    Are you suggesting that nature makes Christ GOD?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #295335
    jammin
    Participant

    edj,

    you have the nature of MAN. that's why you are MAN

    #295342
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ April 28 2012,19:35)
    edj,

    you have the nature of MAN. that's why you are MAN


    Hi Jammin,

    I have the nature of the “New Man”; this is available to you as well!
    Ephesians 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God
    is created in righteousness and true holiness. (see 2Peter 1:4)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #295348
    jammin
    Participant

    you mean your nature is not MAN?? what are you? an animal ? LOL :D

    #295352
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ April 28 2012,20:25)
    you mean your nature is not MAN?? what are you? an animal ? LOL :D


    Hi Jammin,

    The divine nature is created in righteousness and true holiness. (see 2Cor.5:17)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #295358
    jammin
    Participant

    answer my question boy

    your nature is not MAN?? what are you? an animal?

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