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Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

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  • April 24, 2012 at 2:33 am#294504
    NickHassan
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    Hi MB,
    Of course God anointed Jesus Of Nazareth.[acts 10.38]
    The Nazarene was anointed not the babe from Bethlehem.

    April 24, 2012 at 4:27 am#294516
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 24 2012,20:33)
    Hi MB,
    Of course God anointed Jesus Of Nazareth.[acts 10.38]
    The Nazarene was anointed not the babe from Bethlehem.


    :D :D

    April 24, 2012 at 4:38 am#294525
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 24 2012,10:10)

    Quote (jammin @ April 23 2012,07:19)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 23 2012,00:58)

    Quote (jammin @ April 22 2012,00:53)
    is jesus not the Christ? is jesus not the LORD?


    Yes, Jesus is one of God's MANY christs.  And Jesus is one of MANY lords.

    Are you saying you can't show me the name JESUS in the Greek text?


    tnx for answering that Christ is Jesus.

    verse 9 says his LORD. moses is not the lord of paul LOL

    paul is serving Christ the LORD and not moses! LOL

    read the context boy.


    The “christ” could have been Moses OR Jesus.

    And the “lord” could have been Jesus (IF the “christ” was Jesus) OR God.


    paul is referring to his LORD and not MOSES! moses is not his LORD!

    LOL

    study hard boy

    April 24, 2012 at 4:41 am#294527
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 24 2012,06:25)
    Hi Jammin,
    Are you not yet a son or daughter of God?


    let the bible speak

    i became son of GOD “because”
    John 1:12

    English Standard Version (ESV)

    12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,

    what about Christ???
    John 1:14

    English Standard Version (ESV)

    14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

    Christ is the son of GOD! ONLY SON OF GOD!

    they have the same nature, GOD!

    Philippians 2:6

    New International Version (NIV)

    6 Who, being in very nature[a] God,

    Philippians 2:6

    New Living Translation (NLT)

    6 Though he was God,[a]

    study hard boy LOL

    April 24, 2012 at 4:42 am#294528
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ April 24 2012,00:54)

    Quote (jammin @ April 24 2012,00:20)
    Christ is truly GOD.

    case closed


    Hi Jammin,

    Do these casted out devils know more than you?
    “And devils also came out of many, crying out, and
    saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God.” (Luke 4:41)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    yes

    the bible says that he is the son of GOD and he has the same nature as GOD.

    he is” GOD BY NATURE”

    phil 2.5-6
    Let Christ himself be your example as to what your attitude should be. For he, who had always been God by nature,

    Christ is truly GOD!

    study hard boy LOL

    April 24, 2012 at 4:46 am#294532
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,
    I take that as a no.
    Seek ye first the kingdom

    April 24, 2012 at 5:55 am#294542
    carmel
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 24 2012,10:20)

    Quote (carmel @ April 23 2012,14:46)
    But Jesus was already anointed,HE WAS BORN ANOINTED


    Hi Charles,

    I agree that Jesus was born an anointed one of God, and “the one who was to come into the world”. (John 11:27)  Since Jesus was THE anointed one who was to come into the world, he is often referred to as THE christ.  And he was THE christ they had been waiting for, but he was NOT the only christ of God.

    One of God's other christs was Cyrus.  And like Jesus, Cyrus was also prophesied about before he walked on the face of the earth:

    Isaiah 44:28
    who says of Cyrus, ‘He is my shepherd and will accomplish all that I please; he will say of Jerusalem, “Let it be rebuilt,” and of the temple, “Let its foundations be laid.”’

    Isaiah 45:1
    “This is what the LORD says to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I take hold of to subdue nations before him and to strip kings of their armor, to open doors before him so that gates will not be shut:

    Isaiah 45:13
    I will raise up Cyrus in my righteousness: I will make all his ways straight. He will rebuild my city and set my exiles free, but not for a price or reward, says the LORD Almighty.”

    Charles, do you see the word I bolded in 45:1?  The Hebrew word is “mashiyach” (messiah) – the SAME EXACT word used of Jesus.


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    but he was NOT the only christ of God.

    Mike, Again don't compare the anointed with oil through man with Jesus ALREADY ANOINTED BY GOD HIMSELF THERE'S NO COMPARISON AT ALL.

    THE ANONTEMENT FROM GOD TO HIS HUMAN GOD IS UNIQUE.

    IT IS NOT THE WORD ITSELF, IT IS THE DEFINITION OF THE WORD.

    ALL THOSE WHO WERE ANOINTED KINGS AND WHATEVER,ALL HAVE SINNED AND WENT TO HELL,

    JESUS IS IMMACULATE,WENT TO HELL AS:

    THE ANOINTED ONE

    AND REDEEMED ALL THOSE WHO WERE ANOINTED BY GOD THROUGH THE PROPHET BY THE OIL.

    IT IS CLOSED MIKE

    GET IT IN YOUR CORRUPTED MIND LIKE MINE

    JESUS IS UNIQUIE THROUGHOUT,HE IS GOD IN FLESH

    Peace and love in Jesus the only ANOINTED ONE

    CHARLES

    April 24, 2012 at 6:05 am#294543
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (carmel @ April 24 2012,16:55)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 24 2012,10:20)

    Quote (carmel @ April 23 2012,14:46)
    But Jesus was already anointed,HE WAS BORN ANOINTED


    Hi Charles,

    I agree that Jesus was born an anointed one of God, and “the one who was to come into the world”. (John 11:27)  Since Jesus was THE anointed one who was to come into the world, he is often referred to as THE christ.  And he was THE christ they had been waiting for, but he was NOT the only christ of God.

    One of God's other christs was Cyrus.  And like Jesus, Cyrus was also prophesied about before he walked on the face of the earth:

    Isaiah 44:28
    who says of Cyrus, ‘He is my shepherd and will accomplish all that I please; he will say of Jerusalem, “Let it be rebuilt,” and of the temple, “Let its foundations be laid.”’

    Isaiah 45:1
    “This is what the LORD says to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I take hold of to subdue nations before him and to strip kings of their armor, to open doors before him so that gates will not be shut:

    Isaiah 45:13
    I will raise up Cyrus in my righteousness: I will make all his ways straight. He will rebuild my city and set my exiles free, but not for a price or reward, says the LORD Almighty.”

    Charles, do you see the word I bolded in 45:1?  The Hebrew word is “mashiyach” (messiah) – the SAME EXACT word used of Jesus.


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    but he was NOT the only christ of God.

    Mike, Again don't compare the anointed with oil through man with Jesus ALREADY ANOINTED BY GOD HIMSELF THERE'S NO COMPARISON AT ALL.

    THE ANONTEMENT FROM GOD TO HIS HUMAN GOD IS UNIQUE.

    IT IS NOT THE WORD ITSELF, IT IS THE DEFINITION OF THE WORD.

    ALL THOSE WHO WERE ANOINTED KINGS AND WHATEVER,ALL HAVE SINNED AND WENT TO HELL,

    JESUS IS IMMACULATE,WENT TO HELL AS:

    THE ANOINTED ONE

    AND REDEEMED ALL THOSE WHO WERE ANOINTED BY GOD THROUGH THE PROPHET BY THE OIL.

    IT IS CLOSED MIKE

    GET IT IN YOUR CORRUPTED MIND LIKE MINE

    JESUS IS UNIQUIE THROUGHOUT,HE IS GOD IN FLESH

    Peace and love in Jesus the only ANOINTED ONE

    CHARLES


    Hi Charles,

    Though I agree with a lot here,
    still your words are unclear and,
    your opinion proves nothing at all.
    Far from the case being closed.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    April 24, 2012 at 8:02 am#294549
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 24 2012,15:46)
    Hi Jammin,
    I take that as a no.
    Seek ye first the kingdom


    bec you do not belong to the sheep of Christ

    John 10:27

    27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.

    April 24, 2012 at 9:35 am#294560
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,
    You cannot follow God.

    April 24, 2012 at 9:40 am#294561
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ April 24 2012,15:42)

    Quote (Ed J @ April 24 2012,00:54)

    Quote (jammin @ April 24 2012,00:20)
    Christ is truly GOD.

    case closed


    Hi Jammin,

    Do these casted out devils know more than you?
    “And devils also came out of many, crying out, and
    saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God.” (Luke 4:41)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    yes

    the bible says that he is the son of GOD and he has the same nature as GOD.

    he is” GOD BY NATURE”

    phil 2.5-6
    Let Christ himself be your example as to what your attitude should be. For he, who had always been God by nature,

    Christ is truly GOD!

    study hard boy LOL


    Hi Jammin,

    Nature doesn't create God?    …God created nature!

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    April 24, 2012 at 11:08 am#294567
    jammin
    Participant

    LOL

    you dont know the meaning of nature in phil 2.6

    study first boy LOL:D

    April 24, 2012 at 11:09 am#294568
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 24 2012,20:35)
    Hi Jammin,
    You cannot follow God.


    i follow GOD that is why i believe that the son is God by nature.
    paul said that, an apostle of Christ.

    April 24, 2012 at 11:49 am#294576
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Jammin,
    You are right that the Son is God natured. The apostles went out into the world and taught that.

    Blessings to you!

    April 24, 2012 at 3:20 pm#294601
    jammin
    Participant

    kathi,

    thanks :)

    may God always guide you :)

    April 24, 2012 at 4:06 pm#294605
    carmel
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ April 24 2012,17:05)

    Quote (carmel @ April 24 2012,16:55)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 24 2012,10:20)

    Quote (carmel @ April 23 2012,14:46)
    But Jesus was already anointed,HE WAS BORN ANOINTED


    Hi Charles,

    I agree that Jesus was born an anointed one of God, and “the one who was to come into the world”. (John 11:27)  Since Jesus was THE anointed one who was to come into the world, he is often referred to as THE christ.  And he was THE christ they had been waiting for, but he was NOT the only christ of God.

    One of God's other christs was Cyrus.  And like Jesus, Cyrus was also prophesied about before he walked on the face of the earth:

    Isaiah 44:28
    who says of Cyrus, ‘He is my shepherd and will accomplish all that I please; he will say of Jerusalem, “Let it be rebuilt,” and of the temple, “Let its foundations be laid.”’

    Isaiah 45:1
    “This is what the LORD says to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I take hold of to subdue nations before him and to strip kings of their armor, to open doors before him so that gates will not be shut:

    Isaiah 45:13
    I will raise up Cyrus in my righteousness: I will make all his ways straight. He will rebuild my city and set my exiles free, but not for a price or reward, says the LORD Almighty.”

    Charles, do you see the word I bolded in 45:1?  The Hebrew word is “mashiyach” (messiah) – the SAME EXACT word used of Jesus.


    Quote
    but he was NOT the only christ of God.

    Mike, Again don't compare the anointed with oil through man with Jesus ALREADY ANOINTED BY GOD HIMSELF THERE'S NO COMPARISON AT ALL.

    THE ANONTEMENT FROM GOD TO HIS HUMAN GOD IS UNIQUE.

    IT IS NOT THE WORD ITSELF, IT IS THE DEFINITION OF THE WORD.

    ALL THOSE WHO WERE ANOINTED KINGS AND WHATEVER,ALL HAVE SINNED AND WENT TO HELL,

    JESUS IS IMMACULATE,WENT TO HELL AS:

    THE ANOINTED ONE

    AND REDEEMED ALL THOSE WHO WERE ANOINTED BY GOD THROUGH THE PROPHET BY THE OIL.

    IT IS CLOSED MIKE

    GET IT IN YOUR CORRUPTED MIND LIKE MINE

    JESUS IS UNIQUIE THROUGHOUT,HE IS GOD IN FLESH

    Peace and love in Jesus the only ANOINTED ONE

    CHARLES


    Hi Charles,

    Though I agree with a lot here,
    still your words are unclear and,
    your opinion proves nothing at all.
    Far from the case being closed.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


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    still your words are unclear and,

    Edj.

    Be specific please!

    Are you in a position to contradict me,or you're just confrronting me???

    We are here to clarify things, so be specific since we are doing this for the love of Jesus,and not to quench the thirst of our filthy carnal lust.

    You here on heaven net especially MIKE,consider Jesus as an ordinary man.

    My argument is that all the anointed persons in the entire bible are an imitation of Jesus, and you know that an imitation could never be compared to the GENUINE.

    JESUS IS GENUINELY ANOINTED, SELF ANOINTED,AUTOMATICALLY ANOITED, FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT JESUS IS THE GENUINE SUNSTANCE OF THE SPIRIT OF GOD OTHERWISE THE FATHER WOULDN'T ABIDE IN HIM.

    HE IS THE MEDIATOR SPIRIT BETWEEN THE FATHER AND HIS CREATURES.

    HE ABSORBS ALL OUR SINS IN ORDER TO PREVENT THE FATHER FROM DESTROYING HIS CREATURES LIKE HE DID IN THE OT!!!! THROUGH SATAN'S JUSTIFIED CONCEPT OF SIN,AND THROUGH SIN DEATH. NOT ONLY THAT BUT WITH THE INTRODUCTION OF THE CARNAL LAWS SINS MOUNTED, BECAUSE WITHOUT THE LAW THEY WERE NOT CONSIDERRED SINS. THEN JESUS DESTROYED SATAN THEREFORE ALL CARNAL SINS THROUGH HIS DEATH,AND ESTABLISHED THE SPIRITUAL LAWS.FROM JESUS ONWARDS THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN JESUS WILL BE JUDGED BY JESUS ON THE SPIRITUAL LAWS,SATAN HAS NO AUTHORITY ON US CHRISTIANS AND WE WOULD GO TO HELL ONLY IF WE ARE FOUND GUILTY THROUGH THE SPIRITUAL ACTIONS,AND WORK.

    NOW READ:

    1 Chronicles 13:9-11

    (9) When they came to the threshing floor of Kidon, Uzzah reached out his hand to steady the ark, because the oxen stumbled. (10) The LORD's anger burned against Uzzah, and he struck him down because he had put his hand on the ark. So he died there before God. (11) Then David was angry because the LORD's wrath had broken out against Uzzah, and to this day that place called Perez Uzzah

    Why did God!!! killed Uzzah since he was only preventing the most valuable God's idol from being damaged??? Obvious God judged Uzzah through the carnal action only since Satan was nthe God of the world, therefore JUSTLY DEMENDED JUSTICE TO KILL Uzzah and God gave him permission since he was the power of death.

    PLEASE MEDITATE ESPECIALLY ON THE BALDED:

    31Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of ISRAEL, and with the house of JUDAH: 32Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the HAND to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was a HUSBAND UNTO THEM, saith the LORD: 33But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward PARTS, and write it in their HEARTS; and will be THEIR God, and they shall be MY  PEOPLE. 31:And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me,( THROUGH JESUS BY THE HOLY SPIRIT) from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. SINCE THE FATHER IS ABIDING IN JESUS' SPIRIT THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT.

    THE FATHER THROUGH JESUS BECAME AWARE OF OUR IRRESISTIBLE  INSTICT TO SIN FOR THE SIMPLE REASONSINCE THAT JESUS BECAME MAN AND THROUGH HIM HE CAN MORE UNDERSTAND AND FEEL OUR GENERAL CONDITIONS THAT WE ARE SUBJECT TO THE WORLD AND  BEING MANIPULATED BY SATAN AND HIS DEMONS,BEFORE HE COULDN'T DO SO.  HE WAS JUST A SPIRIT AND AS A SPIRIT HE COULDN'T FEEL THESE THINGS.

    peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    April 24, 2012 at 5:35 pm#294612
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ April 24 2012,22:08)
    LOL

    you dont know the meaning of nature in phil 2.6

    study first boy LOL:D


    Hi Jammin,

    2:5 τουτο γαρ φρονεισθω εν υμιν ο και εν χριστω ιησου
    2:6 ος εν μορφη θεου υπαρχων ουχ αρπαγμον ηγησατο το ειναι ισα θεω

    (Phil 2:5-6) 2:5 This understanding is in you in Christ Jesus:
    2:6 In the form that God exists, think it not robbery to be considered equal.

                   Kinda backs up what 2Peter 1:4 says, huh?

    “Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises:
    that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature,
    having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. (2 Peter 1:4)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    April 24, 2012 at 5:39 pm#294613
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (carmel @ April 25 2012,03:06)
    You here on heaven net especially MIKE,consider Jesus as an ordinary man.


    Hi Charles,

    That is FALSE!  (Link)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    April 24, 2012 at 5:46 pm#294614
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (carmel @ April 25 2012,03:06)
    Edj.

    JESUS IS GENUINELY ANOINTED, SELF ANOINTED,AUTOMATICALLY ANOITED, FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT JESUS IS THE GENUINE SUNSTANCE OF THE SPIRIT OF GOD OTHERWISE THE FATHER WOULDN'T ABIDE IN HIM.

    peace and love in Jesus
    Charles


    Hi Charle S,

    “God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the HolySpirit and with power:
    who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil;
    for God was [with/inside of] him.” (Acts 10:38)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    April 24, 2012 at 6:11 pm#294616
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (carmel @ April 25 2012,03:06)
    Edj.

    NOW READ:

    1 Chronicles 13:9-11

    (9) When they came to the threshing floor of Kidon, Uzzah reached out his hand to steady the ark, because the oxen stumbled. (10) The LORD's anger burned against Uzzah, and he struck him down because he had put his hand on the ark. So he died there before God. (11) Then David was angry because the LORD's wrath had broken out against Uzzah, and to this day that place called Perez Uzzah

    Why did God!!! killed Uzzah since he was only preventing the most valuable God's idol from being damaged??? Obvious God judged Uzzah through the carnal action only since Satan was nthe God of the world, therefore JUSTLY DEMENDED JUSTICE TO KILL Uzzah and God gave him permission since he was the power of death.

    peace and love in Jesus
    Charles


    Charle s.

    I suggest that you are drawing the wrong conclusion…

    First: Chronicles and Kings were written by the scribes of the king;
             This compares to getting truth from the Presidents 'press secretary'.

    Secondly: “YHVH”(63) gave instructions to the Levites on how to handle “The Ark”(63)

    Conclusion: Nicole Tesla surmised the “The Ark” of God acted (in a way) like a “giant” capacitor.          

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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